Union may file a greivance against an Eagle Scout for taking their jobs* WITH AUDIO

[shrubber]

Yes.

It is.

No it's not.
Stamp collecting is a hobby.
If you really know so little about Scouting, perhaps you should learn a little.
The Boy Scouts of America is one of the nation's largest and most prominent values-based youth development organizations. The BSA provides a program for young people that builds character, trains them in the responsibilities of participating citizenship, and develops personal fitness.

For nearly a century, the BSA has helped build the future leaders of this country by combining educational activities and lifelong values with fun. The Boy Scouts of America believes — and, through nearly a century of experience, knows — that helping youth is a key to building a more conscientious, responsible, and productive society.

http://www.scouting.org/scouting.aspx

 

[Geoff_M]

Don't think I want to. Thanks anyway.

That was a statement of fact, not an invitation.

 

[It'sWDW4me]

Don't think I want to. Thanks anyway.

 

[shrubber]

Any path that is created can become a hazard. Simply having been made by a kid trying to be an Eagle Scout doesn't make it perfect for evermore. If there's no lighting, if it's not on maps, if it becomes overrun with ivy/bushes/etc, then it becomes unsafe.

no lighting? not on maps? bushes? I take it you do not hike much.

 

[Carly_Roach]

That was a statement of fact, not an invitation.

Shrubber answered it anyway.

values-based youth development organizations...a program for young people that builds character, trains them in the responsibilities of participating citizenship, and develops personal fitness.

.....combining educational activities and lifelong values with fun.

I see nothing in there that puts food on the table.

Hobby.

 

[shrubber]

Don't think I want to. Thanks anyway.

I guess we will celebrate our 100 year Anniversary without you.

 

[It'sWDW4me]

Shrubber answered it anyway.

values-based youth development organizations...a program for young people that builds character, trains them in the responsibilities of participating citizenship, and develops personal fitness.

.....combining educational activities and lifelong values with fun.

I see nothing in there that puts food on the table.

Hobby.

OOOOOHHHHHHH MY!!!

No, I guess you wouldn't.

 

[RadioNate]

The UNION exists to serve the members, is what I think rn was saying. The union members exist, work-wise, to do their work for the city.

exactly, the UNION exists to serve it's members. It is a collective voice for it's membership. Now MEMBERS of a union may be employed by a city and their duty may be to serve that city while employed but the union itself was created to protect it's workers against unfair treatment and give them collective representation. Cities don't hire unions, they hire union members if they have entered into a contractual agreement with a specific union.

Ok - I have to go back to doing something important now.

 

[It'sWDW4me]

All projects must be approved by the beneficiary before work is started. City management would have seen plans on what that Scout wanted to do. They can, and will, ask for changes before approval. My son's project (in the planning stage) is also in a city park (he wants to re-vamp a roller hockey rink). The Park Dept. representative nixed a couple of his suggested features due to maintenance and safety concerns.

Good luck to your son! I hope all goes well with the implementation of his project!

I guess we will celebrate our 100 year Anniversary without you.

My son will be having a blast celebrating at the National Jamboree next July/August! I'm probably more excited for him than he is.

 

[NikitaZee]

Why has this thread deteriorated into boy scout vs union worker? If you have a boy scout in your family, good for you. If you have a union member in your family, good for you as well. NO organization has members that are all good - or all bad! Geez people ...

 

[shrubber]

Shrubber answered it anyway.

values-based youth development organizations...a program for young people that builds character, trains them in the responsibilities of participating citizenship, and develops personal fitness.

.....combining educational activities and lifelong values with fun.

I see nothing in there that puts food on the table.

Hobby.

Well, for putting food on the table,

Other than training young men and woman in

Gardening
Fishing,
Fly Fishing
Rifle shooting
Shotgun
Soil and water conservation
Plant science
Oceanography
Mammal study

and providing literally tons of food to food banks around the globe,
your right

 

[shrubber]

Why has this thread deteriorated into boy scout vs union worker? If you have a boy scout in your family, good for you. If you have a union member in your family, good for you as well. NO organization has members that are all good - or all bad! Geez people ...

I agree,

I just don't see the Scouts calling out Union members, that's all

 

[shortbun]

If the workers had been doing their jobs properly, it wouldn't have taken 200 hours to clean it up!

You are assuming that their supervisors had instructed them to clean and clear the path. And-the union is not filing against the Eagle Scout, it's filing against the city because it gave a job that should have been a union job to someone else which is likely against their contract.

 

[NikitaZee]

I agree,

I just don't see the Scouts calling out Union members, that's all

On this thread, that's exactly what I see. People on behalf of the scouts, that is. If you have such blanket disdain for unions (which I assume you do since you referred to them earlier as thugs), then just say so. Carly Roach is making valid points about why the union may be considering filing a grievance - against the city, not against the boy scout (as the title of this thread indicates). It's the bigger picture here - saving jobs - that seems to be getting lost here. Did the scout do anything wrong? Of course not. It seems to me that the union recognizes that. They are just trying to make a point.

 

[shortbun]

I agree,

I just don't see the Scouts calling out Union members, that's all

The union members didn't call out the Scouts. If you knew about filing a grievance, you'd know that the grievance was filed against the employer for allowing a union job to be done without union workers. And as I pointed out in my first post, the city-the employers-don't just assume that workers will go around and clear up all problem areas. Supervisors, who are NOT union members, assign work. At times the supervisors create a very adversarial relationship between themselves and their workers, leaving the workers no choice but to follow procedures for complaint-a grievance. It's not rocket science, it's just following protocol that is required by all parties according to their contract.

 

[dakcp2001]

Why has this thread deteriorated into boy scout vs union worker? If you have a boy scout in your family, good for you. If you have a union member in your family, good for you as well. NO organization has members that are all good - or all bad! Geez people ...

There are a lot of blanket generalizations here, and some serious stereotyping. Watch out for those "thugs" (really, you cannot be serious?)

And I am willing to bet we could make a nice list of eagle scouts who are also now union members ( I work beside one, two cubes over) so which side should we put him on?

 

[shrubber]

On this thread, that's exactly what I see. People on behalf of the scouts, that is. If you have such blanket disdain for unions (which I assume you do since you referred to them earlier as thugs), then just say so. Carly Roach is making valid points about why the union may be considering filing a grievance - against the city, not against the boy scout (as the title of this thread indicates). It's the bigger picture here - saving jobs - that seems to be getting lost here. Did the scout do anything wrong? Of course not. It seems to me that the union recognizes that. They are just trying to make a point.

I have not expressed a disdain for Unions in general.
Although I will stand by calling this union thugs, for this case in point.
And as far as the SEIU in general, I am certainly not alone in that opinion
I'll defer to the political restrictions on this board as far as that is concerned.

And , to clarify, this was not a union job, if it had been, how valuable of a union job was it that it could be done for free?

 

[shrubber]

There are a lot of blanket generalizations here, and some serious stereotyping. Watch out for those "thugs" (really, you cannot be serious?)

And I am willing to bet we could make a nice list of eagle scouts who are also now union members ( I work beside one, two cubes over) so which side should we put him on?

Thugs may be harsh, but to far off the mark.

 

[shrubber]

The union members didn't call out the Scouts.

Nick Balzano, president of the local Service Employees International Union, told Allentown City Council Tuesday that the union is considering filing a grievance against the city for allowing Anderson to clear a 1,000-foot walking and biking path at Kimmets Lock Park.

"We'll be looking into the Cub Scout or Boy Scout who did the trails," Balzano told the council.

 

[NikitaZee]

I have not expressed a disdain for Unions in general.
Although I will stand by calling this union thugs, for this case in point.
And as far as the SEIU in general, I am certainly not alone in that opinion
I'll defer to the political restrictions on this board as far as that is concerned.

And , to clarify, this was not a union job, if it had been, how valuable of a union job was it that it could be done for free?

As far as the value of a job - that debate could go on and on. How valuable is your job - or mine, if it can be sent to Asia for 1/4 of what we're making here? Do you want to find out? I sure don't.