Trial Run for Dogs in Resort Rooms

[fla4fun]

Magic band entry records. Interesting thought.

They could do this with the old key cards, so I would think it’s possible with the MB also. They can tell when maintenance or housekeeping or any other hotel staff access the room as well.

 

[Wubar]

And what’s to stop the dog from staking claim to a nearby tree or potted plant?

Hopefully, the dog's owners. If they don't, then no pixie dust for them for the entirety of their stay.

 

[Madame]

But you were treating my opinion as such. I think this is a good idea and if they choose to keep it at only 1 or 2 resorts then that's a great thing for people with animals.

I also was a DVC owner at one time and I vacation there every year so Disney has lots of my money too.

I didn’t insinuate that you were a bad person because of your opinion, however.

I tell you what. I recently quit smoking. Not a nice smell, & I never smoked indoors. But I bet some people’s vacations would be greatly enhanced by being able to unwind with an adult beverage & a cigarette in their room.

Now I know that you can’t equate smoking with a pet, but the inconvenience to others is the same. Smoke stinks. Wet dog (it rains a lot in FL) also stinks. Dander & smoke both can trigger an asthmatic episode. Both rooms would need a deep clean for anyone with allergies or sensitivity to be able to occupy them. Etc, etc, etc.

At what point does an individual’s right to something non-essential (I am not talking about service dogs here) trump the right of the majority?

I cannot understand this sense of I want what I want & the rest if you be damned.

 

[megs1313]

I cannot understand this sense of I want what I want & the rest if you be damned. But then again, I’m Canadian. That is not the way we roll.

no reason to bring nationality into it. I don't understand that attitude either and I'm American.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

They might not know who left, but I they would be able to know how many people left. If there are 4 people registered to the room, and 4 magicbands checked out, then obviously no one is left behind to watch the dog.

Unless they hired the groundskeeper to come in and wait with the pooch!

It wouldn't matter who left. But maybe they would be able to determine where room occupants are due to fp's. Although that wouldn't really matter when dogs can be left alone for 7 hours at a time.

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Yeah but you're forgetting people who leave the room but don't go to the parks or who go to Universal or who go to Disney Springs. Perhaps they are able to track (IDK how far the RFID goes on the long range). That was more what I was thinking.

For example we went to Universal 3 days on our last trip and Disney Springs another day. The only way you knew BOTH of us was in WDW parks was our tickets being used on MDE plus our FPs being used. We did use our MBs then but only then. The other 4 days (3 at Universal and 1 at Disney Springs) we didn't use our MB (ETA: other than to open the door of course but you still didn't know if we both left or just one of us). And when we left the resort room only one (usually my husband's because he would arrive at the room before I did) would be used. Whereas my MB was spareingly used to open the door.

 

[Madame]

no reason to bring nationality into it. I don't understand that attitude either and I'm American.

Yes that just popped out & was rude. My apologies. My fingers & outrage got ahead of my brain. I will edit it out.

 

[MuppetFan418]

As a Muppet fan, I find it hard to believe you don't like terrible, overreaching puns.

But if I'm going to have to put my "serious" hat on for this thread, yes - there's a kernel of truth in my comments. Disney likely would (will??) be sued for dog-related resort incidents based on their policy to allow them on property. Any plaintiff's attorney worth their retainer is going to consider it - whether as a deep pocket, for publicity, or just to cover all the bases. This thread already has talked about liability for things like dog bites, attacks, destruction of property, slip and falls, severe allergic reactions, etc. Which is why I'm positive Disney will have a beautifully drafted form for anyone bringing their dog to sign that has all sorts of bells and whistles like waivers, releases, indemnification, and the like.

FWIW, I'm not a fan of this policy myself. I think there's a reason (as evidenced by the negative reaction on this board) that this was announced at the last minute before implementation - and it's not a good reason. For those that feel most strongly, voting with your wallet is one of the most effective strategies.

Ha! Touché! Sorry for going Statler and Waldorf on your puns!

I can not argue with your point about the likelihood of litigation. My issue with what you said was that sounded like a very broad statement--I am vehemently against the idea (perhaps as much as or more than nearly everyone else) but I am far from litigious. I also don't think that those who would bring suit are disproportionately against the new policy. In fact, the only two individuals that I personally know who have filed suit against a dog owner were also dog owners themselves.

 

[reereef]

I booked Port Orleans Riverside for Christmas this year. I did this nearly a year ago, with no warning that Disney would begin welcoming dogs just before our stay.

DS is allergic and breaks out in hives, rashes and becomes asthmatic. I was attacked badly by an dog when I was twelve. As the attack happened in Ibiza, we also had the added concern of rabies. The attack was sustained and I ended up with bad injuries to my legs and back. I do not now like dogs at all.

I do not have the additional money at Christmas time to upgrade, not that there is availability anyway. I think springing this on us is extremely unfair. If they gave a years notice, fair enough, people can choose. As it is, I have no idea what we will do. All I know is that our excitement has been replaced by anxiety.

I am trying to get in touch with Disney regarding this and have emailed my concerns.

 

[DisneyFive]

With the use of Magic Bands, I wonder if Disney will be able to know when someone leaves and comes back to their room?

They wouldn't know who left though.

Hmmm. Maybe. But who will be monitoring this? Or I guess they could check this if a complaint is made about a barking dog in a particular room.

Magic band entry records. Interesting thought.

They might not know who left, but I they would be able to know how many people left. If there are 4 people registered to the room, and 4 magicbands checked out, then obviously no one is left behind to watch the dog.

Unless they hired the groundskeeper to come in and wait with the pooch!

It wouldn't matter who left. But maybe they would be able to determine where room occupants are due to fp's. Although that wouldn't really matter when dogs can be left alone for 7 hours at a time.

Even if they can't pinpoint when someone leaves the room, they know when each guest in the room uses their magic band to get into a park, FP+, pay for things, etc. I think Disney even uses Magic Bands to see where park traffic is and if so, they probably can find anyone at anytime using their Magic Band tracking.

They could do this with the old key cards, so I would think it’s possible with the MB also. They can tell when maintenance or housekeeping or any other hotel staff access the room as well.

It is judgy to say all dog owners would be like ____ because of past experiences or because of perceived thoughts of the trial.

There is nothing that you scan when you leave your room, so there is nothing to start the 7 hour timer. They are only able to see when you come back to the room since you need to use the Magicband to enter.

The only way for Disney to know when you leave your room (as things stand currently) is to implement some sort of property wide full time tracking of all guests. I don't think it would go over too well if people knew that their every movement at Disney was being traced. Maybe they have that ability right now in the parks due to Magicbands and the myriad of sensors, but I doubt they have that ability at the resorts.

They can't even use the scan at park entry as a starting point because who knows what that guest did in between leaving the room and entering the parks. It's not a reliable starting point.

Dan

 

[Disneylover99]

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Yeah but you're forgetting people who leave the room but don't go to the parks or who go to Universal or who go to Disney Springs. Perhaps they are able to track (IDK how far the RFID goes on the long range). That was more what I was thinking.

For example we went to Universal 3 days on our last trip and Disney Springs another day. The only way you knew BOTH of us was in WDW parks was our tickets being used on MDE plus our FPs being used. We did use our MBs then but only then. The other 4 days (3 at Universal and 1 at Disney Springs) we didn't use our MB (ETA: other than to open the door of course but you still didn't know if we both left or just one of us). And when we left the resort room only one (usually my husband's because he would arrive at the room before I did) would be used. Whereas my MB was spareingly used to open the door.

Now that I've thought it through a bit, I think Disney could only track the last time someone scanned into their room, not when they left, which doesn't mean much anyways.

 

[Disneylover99]

There is nothing that you scan when you leave your room, so there is nothing to start the 7 hour timer. They are only able to see when you come back to the room since you need to use the Magicband to enter.

In the grand scheme of things, the 7 hour rule doesn't even matter. It's far too long for a pet to be left unattended in a hotel room.

 

[Kay123456]

There are dogs who fly on planes. I've been on quite a few where an owner had their dog with them. They were always quiet and never bothered anyone so why would ME be a problem?

I booked Port Orleans Riverside for Christmas this year. I did this nearly a year ago, with no warning that Disney would begin welcoming dogs just before our stay.

DS is allergic and breaks out in hives, rashes and becomes asthmatic. I was attacked badly by an dog when I was twelve. As the attack happened in Ibiza, we also had the added concern of rabies. The attack was sustained and I ended up with bad injuries to my legs and back. I do not now like dogs at all.

I do not have the additional money at Christmas time to upgrade, not that there is availability anyway. I think springing this on us is extremely unfair. If they gave a years notice, fair enough, people can choose. As it is, I have no idea what we will do. All I know is that our excitement has been replaced by anxiety.

I am trying to get in touch with Disney regarding this and have emailed my concerns.

Please let us know what they say as my DD has the same reaction. Hives from head to toe and horrible asthma attacks. The responses from Disney are too conflicting for me not to worry.

 

[fla4fun]

There is nothing that you scan when you leave your room, so there is nothing to start the 7 hour timer. They are only able to see when you come back to the room since you need to use the Magicband to enter.

The only way for Disney to know when you leave your room (as things stand currently) is to implement some sort of property wide full time tracking of all guests. I don't think it would go over too well if people knew that their every movement at Disney was being traced. Maybe they have that ability right now in the parks due to Magicbands and the myriad of sensors, but I doubt they have that ability at the resorts.

They can't even use the scan at park entry as a starting point because who knows what that guest did in between leaving the room and entering the parks. It's not a reliable starting point.

Dan

They could put passive scanners on the entry/exit doors of resorts with interior hallways. Not sure how it would be done at resorts with exterior doors though.

I figure they are tracking us all over the place anyway. They want the data on how much time we spend in shops and restaurants. Plus they are tracking wait times with the bands. This is just one more step. Aside from the fact that there are probably security cameras everywhere outside of the actual rooms themselves. All it would take is a complaint, a quick review of the appropriate security camera, and voila! Busted for canine abandonment!

 

[shoreward]

Response to my email:
Thank you for contacting us regarding our dog-friendly Resorts.

Because dogs are considered beloved members of the family, we will soon
be offering a new way for Guests to enjoy their Disney vacations with
their favorite canine companions. Beginning Oct. 15, select Disney
resort hotels will offer an opportunity for Guests to bring their
favorite four-legged friends with them for an additional charge. Guests
may have up to two dogs per room.

Guests traveling with their dogs must register them with the Front Desk
at the resort and adhere to the pet policies they receive upon
registration. These include reminders about proper care and behavior, as
well as the need for the dog to remain on a leash at all times while in
public spaces. Guests must be able to provide documentation that their
dog's vaccinations and inoculations are up to date, upon request.

We will designate certain floors or sections of a hotel as dog-friendly,
while the majority of areas will remain canine-free to accommodate
Guests with allergies or other concerns. Should you have any concerns
during your visit, we encourage you to speak with a Cast Member at the
Front Desk.

We truly appreciate the time you took to share your thoughts with us.

Best Regards,

Lucretia Roma
Guest Experience Services
Walt Disney World Resort

This is a form letter or canned response that Disney drafted to "personally" respond to guests questions/concerns.

 

[JerseyJanice]

@reereef I feel for you. I just knew there would be people in your shoes. You can't be housed among canines and now you're stuck doing just if you take the WDW vacation that you planned.

I hope that Disney makes it right for you.

 

[reereef]

I read that dogs

Please let us know what they say as my DD has the same reaction. Hives from head to toe and horrible asthma attacks. The responses from Disney are too conflicting for me not to worry.

As soon as I get a response I will post. I think people are struggling to understand how bad these animal allergies can be and how some people do not love dogs like they do.
If I was booking for next year I would accept this and just not opt for those dog friendly resorts. Unfortunately I have not been given this luxury. I think therefore I have a right to be annoyed. I’ll post back as soon as I hear anything! Best wishes.

 

[KrazeeK120]

That wasn’t that point. This was in response to ppl saying how unsanitary dogs are. Not much more things that can be as unsanitary as changing a diaper on a table. So (other than ppl with allergies) dogs in the rooms will not cause some major public health crisis like ppl are saying & will not likely even make anyone sick. But changing a diaper on the table could actually make ppl sick if it’s not cleaned properly after.

Let me preface this by saying that I in no way advocate for changing diapers on the same surface where people are eating. It's totally unacceptable.

However, as long as the diaper isn't poopy, it's probably actually not all that unsanitary. Diapers absorb liquid very well, and I can whip a wet diaper off my kid and have a fresh one on him in no time, and no waste comes into contact with anything (me, him, the changing table, etc.). Heck, I even keep poopy diapers contained 99% of the time (hopefully I'm not the only mom with an occasional accident in this area!!).

It sounds like they're checking the vaccination records for the dogs, but it says nothing about fleas, ticks, etc. Plus, dogs could be relieving themselves directly onto the carpet or furniture. While changing a diaper on a table is gross, I actually think dogs in hotel rooms could pose a greater threat to human well-being.

 

[reereef]

@reereef I feel for you. I just knew there would be people in your shoes. You can't be housed among canines and you're stuck.

I hope that Disney makes it right for you.

Aw thank you so much! I know that there are going to be many others who have even worse reactions and worries. Luckily DS’s allergy doesn’t appear to be too bad...more uncomfortable than anything. It’s frustrating. I hope it works out for all of us! Xx

 

[megs1313]

As soon as I get a response I will post. I think people are struggling to understand how bad these animal allergies can be and how some people do not love dogs like they do.
If I was booking for next year I would accept this and just not opt for those dog friendly resorts. Unfortunately I have not been given this luxury. I think therefore I have a right to be annoyed. I’ll post back as soon as I hear anything! Best wishes.

we're in the exact same boat and I just keep hoping something will open up for our dates. I'm going to have to call every.single.day. *sigh*

 

[reereef]

we're in the exact same boat and I just keep hoping something will open up for our dates. I'm going to have to call every.single.day. *sigh*

It’s very unfair isn’t it. I just wish we’d had more notice. I sincerely hope something opens up for you. These vacations are meant to be exciting and relaxing