Travel shaming. Are you limiting your social media posts?

[easyas123]

Lots of people wearing mask incorrectly is what I’m seeing.

I'm in MD, on the DE line, albeit a more rural area and not as congested. Luckily I haven't noticed to much in the way of poor mask wearing in those two states. People somewhere are getting the message, even if they aren't everywhere.

 

[Farro]

Lots of people wearing mask incorrectly is what I’m seeing.

I honestly thought we'd see that or people trying to get in places without a mask.

I'm almost shocked to say we see just about complete compliance everywhere.
Very rarely do we see a person with it under their nose, and usually when they see people look at them, they pull it up.
And we've never witnessed anyone try to get in an establishment without a mask.

 

[mrodgers]

"Can't" and " choose not to" aren't interchangeable here.

Interesting perspective. Cancelled by whom? The destination? The transportation provider? Or their own informed decision?

Many people have had to use their vacation money to pay bills in 2020 due to loss of income and that makes them angry sensible.

Fixed it for you.

You didn't fix it. People were forced out of their jobs. They didn't lose their jobs through fault of their own. I certainly would be very angry if I had to cancel my vacation plans and use the money to pay bills because my government deemed my employment not to be essential. Every single employee is essential to themselves and their family. Their employment in fact is the most essential thing in their life.

 

[LSUmiss]

I honestly thought we'd see that or people trying to get in places without a mask.

I'm almost shocked to say we see just about complete compliance everywhere.
Very rarely do we see a person with it under their nose, and usually when they see people look at them, they pull it up.
And we've never witnessed anyone try to get in an establishment without a mask.

That’s what I see here too.

 

[Hikergirl]

It's disappointing that you didn't follow Maine's rules that are there to keep their citizens healthy .

https://www.maine.gov/covid19/restartingmaine/keepmainehealthy
It's also disappointing that Covid tests are not readily available in your area. That makes things more difficult but not impossible.

Can I quarantine for a shorter period of time if my stay is shorter than 14 days?

Yes, you can come to Maine and quarantine for the length of your stay if it is less than 14 days.

The pp didn't have to quarantine for 14 days if she was just there for a weekend.

 

[mrodgers]

My father died a few weeks ago (not COVID) and we weren't allowed to be there at his side because of COVID. We had to conduct the funeral via ZOOM. Yes, I will judge people for not being careful. If my community had been more careful then my dad might not have had to die alone.

You weren't allowed to go to the funeral because of your governor. We also weren't allowed to go to funerals or to weddings, unless we were the governor, then we would be allowed to go to both events. One also don't need to ever wear a mask or social distance when one is the governor standing with your entourage shoulder to shoulder on stage demanding everyone else wears a mask and social distance.

 

[mrodgers]

With the virus, it's easier said than done. We could be asymptomatic, and not know it. Especially if we go to a hot spot. As a result, we're responsible for not spreading the virus, and potentially harming the most vulnerable.

Now, do I travel? Yes. I did cancel a trip to Houston last month, but substituted that for a trip to Gatlinburg. I am going to South Carolina, next month. I also eat in restaurants; at least once a week, and I go to in-service church (social distancing, of course. But I take precautions. Especially in wearing my mask.

Oh wait a minute. Your experts stated that asymptomatic people don't spread the virus. So now what?

See how it's so difficult to follow the recommendations (not rules, no one has voted on legislation on any of this.) How do I follow your so called experts when they are changing their minds every other day? Fauci has said every potential "rule" under the sun and the only one everyone has heard is "just wear a mask." It hasn't been recommended to wear a mask for how long now, yet everyone still barks about science and experts.

 

[tvguy]

I predicted there would be a huge amount of travel shaming months ago, when the lockdown happened and many people lost their jobs. But many people haven't lost their jobs and have been working straight through. Some people now have more disposable income due to working from home and less weekly spending.

Don't feel guilty and you shouldn't have to limit your social media posts due to fear of being shamed.

People are just jealous that they can't have what you have. People are just bitter that vacations have been cancelled. People try to shame you and make you feel guilty as a way of making themselves feel better. They had to miss out so they think its not fair that you can still have a vacation.

Many people have had to use their vacation money to pay bills in 2020 due to loss of income and that makes them angry.

I respectfully disagree. Only because it is putting people's lives at risk. Just minutes ago I was on Facebook looking at pictures posted by a friend from the east coast who flew out to a family cabin for a week vacation at a west coast resort lake where her family owns a vacation cabin. This is an area where community leaders are struggling with an influx of outsiders, and preliminary tracking indicates almost all their covid-19 cases came from this type of situation. To the point they have debated banning non-residents (resident defined as someone who lives there more than half the year).

My issues:
1) My friend is in a risk group due to her age (over 60).
2) Her mom is 85, so in a risk group.
3) Her mom's best friend is 85 so in a risk group.
4) Mixing of people living thousands of miles apart.
5) No masks
6) No social distancing

It is like the poster child of what not to do in a pandemic.

 

[robinb]

Can I quarantine for a shorter period of time if my stay is shorter than 14 days?

Yes, you can come to Maine and quarantine for the length of your stay if it is less than 14 days.

The pp didn't have to quarantine for 14 days if she was just there for a weekend.

The options are to test 48-hours in advance or quarantine 14 days (or less, if you're there fewer days). I could be wrong, but I don't think she quarantined that weekend as she was there for a funeral.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Can I quarantine for a shorter period of time if my stay is shorter than 14 days?

Yes, you can come to Maine and quarantine for the length of your stay if it is less than 14 days.

The pp didn't have to quarantine for 14 days if she was just there for a weekend.

I didn't read it as that at all. I read it that if her trip was less than 14 days she wouldn't have to quarantine for 14 days (because her trip wasn't 14 days long) BUT that you still have to quarantine for the length of stay.

Example: If you're there for 7 days you quarantine for 7 days.

Now they were there for a funeral and I haven't scoured the website to see if there is something different about being there for that reason.

 

[Kae]

Travel Shamers are just Shamers-

 

[Hikergirl]

The options are to test 48-hours in advance or quarantine 14 days (or less, if you're there fewer days). I could be wrong, but I don't think she quarantined that weekend as she was there for a funeral.

I didn't read it as that at all. I read it that if her trip was less than 14 days she wouldn't have to quarantine for 14 days (because her trip wasn't 14 days long) BUT that you still have to quarantine for the length of stay.

Example: If you're there for 7 days you quarantine for 7 days OR you get a COVID-19 test AND you quarantine for the length of time it takes for the test to come back. Not only that but in July at least they allow for "COVID-19 tests are available in Maine without referral from a medical professional under a standing order issued by the Maine Department of Health and Human Services."

Now they were there for a funeral and I haven't scoured the website to see if there is something different about being there for that reason.

The pp was asked if she quarantined for 14 days, I was just saying that she didn't have too.
As someone who lost 2 family members during COVID, if she was there for a day to attend a funeral and didn't quarantine then I have no problem giving her a pass.

ETA I keep reading "can stay in commercial lodging establishments", what if visitors are staying with family in their private home?
Beginning June 26th, visitors from all other states may come to Maine and stay in commercial lodging establishments if they EITHER:

• quarantine for 14 days in Maine at a commercial lodging establishment (or the length of the stay if less than 14 days)

OR

• sign a Certificate of Compliance stating that they have tested negative for COVID-19 within 72 hours before arriving in Maine, that they will quarantine in Maine for 14 days, or that they have already completed their quarantine in Maine.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Where we live there is a western Canadian bubble right now. Basically if you live in BC, AB, SK or MB you do not have to self-quarantine for 14 days if you travel between provinces.
We have decided to go to a different province to see couple National Parks. We will wear masks, get takeout/food delivery as much as possible and spend most of the time in the outdoors or on our hotel balcony.
I am not telling many people about this vacation as I feel it will be judged as it's not essential travel. About the only person I told where we are going is RonandAnnette .

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The options are to test 48-hours in advance or quarantine 14 days (or less, if you're there fewer days). I could be wrong, but I don't think she quarantined that weekend as she was there for a funeral.

Yeah looking at it

"People who are not Maine or exempted states must complete a Certificate of Compliance form indicating they have received a negative COVID-19 test result"

But in July it became effective (trying to help with tourists): "Today (May), DHHS is issuing a standing order allowing most people in Maine with elevated risk to get a COVID-19 test without the need for a separate order from a health care provider. This means individuals can seek testing even if they don't have a primary care provider or a written order from a clinician if they face a higher risk of exposure, with or without experiencing symptoms. This could include: health care workers and first responders, seasonal and migrant farm workers, people experiencing homelessness, visitors from other states with a higher prevalence of the virus, and employees of congregate living facilities such as nursing homes, lodging establishments, grocery stores and other businesses who have direct, daily contact with the public."

Under the link the PP posted in it said "The State’s newly-announced standing order –which allows for most individuals in Maine with elevated risk of exposure to get tested without an order from their own primary care provider – coupled with enhanced testing capacity in July resulting from an agreement with IDEXX, will support testing of tourism workers in Maine and serve as a back-up option for tourists who cannot be tested at home and commit to quarantining in Maine while awaiting results." So you can get this test even after coming to Maine but you would have to quarantine for the time you wait for the results. Given that this was a funeral over a weekend it would have meant testing before.

 

[GooglyGip]

Who cares if someone tries shaming someone for traveling. I just got back from a vacation. I wore a mask correctly when in public, I didn't feel sick( if I had any symptoms, I would have cancelled), I isolated myself from my elderly parents and everyone else I considered High Risk when I returned home. I'm not ashamed at all. Businesses need to stay open and employ people. I'm going to try to patronize these businesses that wish to open. I am traveling to Disney and Las Vegas in the next couple of months, and will take the same precautions as stated above. And, I will post my travels on Social Media.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The pp was asked if she quarantined for 14 days, I was just saying that she didn't have too.
As someone who lost 2 family members during COVID, if she was there for a day to attend a funeral and didn't quarantine then I have no problem giving her a pass.

I'm not judging the person for going to Maine for a funeral. I do think if you're going to travel regardless you need to follow what the state you are traveling to and the state you are in's rules regarding it. It's why if I was working at the insurance company I couldn't travel period because I wouldn't be able to make the 14 day thing work (or other allowances either). It's why I know many people are specifically changing their travel plans to accommodate the various quarantine or testing requirements. They are still traveling. The virus doesn't care why you're there where you are though so even though the poster didn't have any control over where and why they were there it would be up to the state if there are allowances for different situations as to why you might be there.

In your comment you had said "The pp didn't have to quarantine for 14 days if she was just there for a weekend." You're right that she didn't have to quarantine for 14 days specifically because she was there for the weekend but the answer is she still had to quarantine for the time she was there during the funeral OR get the test before coming OR get the test while there and quarantine while awaiting the results. That's more what I was responding to I understand what you're saying though.

 

[Brett Wyman]

We will limit our social media posts when we visit in WDW in September. It's not really to avoid shaming though. So many people out there have so many different perspectives on COVID that it's just not the best time to say "Hey we're at a theme park!". We're from the south, we can drive, and our area is nearly as badly affected as Orlando is anyway. So for us we aren't really increasing risk by driving there. Our relatives in up state New York probably just wouldn't get that. And I understand that. So we wont be shouting it from the roofs.

 

[robinb]

The pp was asked if she quarantined for 14 days, I was just saying that she didn't have too.
As someone who lost 2 family members during COVID, if she was there for a day to attend a funeral and didn't quarantine then I have no problem giving her a pass.

I am sorry for your loss and hers as well {{hugs}} to both of you.

She was also asked if she tested negative for Covid and she replied that she was not tested at all. The rules are there to protect the local population from becoming sick from people outside of the state. Unfortunately, there are no exceptions for funerals.

 

[VandVsmama]

I've updated my social media privacy settings so certain individuals don't see what I post for the time being because they are being preachy, judge-y butt heads and I'm just not in the mood to deal with their nonsense.

 

[Hikergirl]

I am sorry for your loss and hers as well {{hugs}} to both of you.

She was also asked if she tested negative for Covid and she replied that she was not tested at all. The rules are there to protect the local population from becoming sick from people outside of the state. Unfortunately, there are no exceptions for funerals.

Thank you for your thoughts.
I'm generally a rule follower, and I also just came back from Maine (my state is exempt from their travel rules) so I get that her breaking them puts not just Maine residents at risk but others as well.
We were lucky to be able to have a funeral for one family member so I know how important that is and my heart goes out to the pp.