We have been DVC members since 1998 and I have only used points one time for a trip outside of DW. We gave points to our son to use on his honeymoon in Maui and in San Fran. We made the ressie at the Concierage hotels available in both cities and they absolutely loved it. We own points at the BWV and the BCV and I can only get DH to go for a week once a year. I am not familiar at all with II. Do you have to use only the places that Disney lists or are you open to any II property? I have seen folks talk about going to Marriott properties on HH. How do I know what properties are even available anywhere? I hate to be so uninformed but I never thought I would be trading out. How do I even know how many points I would need to use? Thanks for putting up with this question! You are all so knowledgeable and generous with your information. I am so glad that I found you!!!!