Tipping overload?

[leahgoogle]

This annoys me too and it’s gotten out of hand. Then I feel guilty for clicking no tip. Why do I need to tip for picking up pizza or something from a food truck. I took my daughter ice skating and they had a tip line on the receipt. They didn’t do anything for me except ring me up.

I was just talking about this to my neighbor. I ordered a pizza for carry-out. I went in and picked up the pizza. The default tip was 20%. And, it added it automatically to my order online and I had to opt-out. If you deliver it to me, I tip. If you serve me at a restaurant, I tip. If I come in to pick up a pizza that you are being paid to make, sorry, no tip.

 

[mrodgers]

Pretty soon tipping for someone working 20 minutes for me is going to cost me a week's wages with the double increasing of tipping. Increase the percentage on every increasing costs? Nope. I leave $10 or $15 depending on how many of us and whether it's lunch or dinner. Tired of them increasing that percentage. It already costs me a day's wages to take my family out to eat, and the percentages people are talking here, half a day's wages to tip someone for 20 minutes of work.

 

[RedAngie]

30% tip for anything? Hell will freeze over first.

I thought the 28% suggested tip was bad on a restaurant bill a year ago.

On small amounts my gratuity may exceed 30% or more, but in general I’m a 20% plus round up to the next dollar tipper.

 

[tzolkin]

I think my husband and I are good tippers. We even occasionally tip 100% (or more). But, we like to be generous because we want to do something nice for someone. I absolutely hate feeling like I am obligated to tip a certain amount. I feel like if it's required then it's not really a tip.

I was just talking about this to my neighbor. I ordered a pizza for carry-out. I went in and picked up the pizza. The default tip was 20%. And, it added it automatically to my order online and I had to opt-out. If you deliver it to me, I tip. If you serve me at a restaurant, I tip. If I come in to pick up a pizza that you are being paid to make, sorry, no tip.

My oldest worked at a Dominoes pizza for a while in high school. They never saw a penny from the tips so she told us not to bother tipping there (at least with our credit card).

We always tip at smaller businesses (food trucks, bakeries, coffee shops, etc). I suppose it's about the same level of work, but at least we know the people doing the work are receiving the tips.

My recent favorite was the tip envelope for the cleaning crew at an Airbnb. I literally had paid a $250 cleaning fee to the owner and we left it spotless - minus the HANDCUFFS and sock we found under the couch when we pulled it out. Just no.

I don't know what some vacation rental hosts have been thinking lately. We charge $75 for cleaning and it has never entered my mind that anyone would leave a tip. We also check under all the furniture

 

[EACarlson]

My oldest worked at a Dominoes pizza for a while in high school. They never saw a penny from the tips so she told us not to bother tipping there (at least with our credit card).

I spent over a decade in the pizza business working for all three major chains. How is it that they never got the tips? At the end of the shift you would cash out and receive your tips. Tipping on a CC changed the game as it then got added to your paycheck and you had to pay the tax on it, resulting in a 0 check many times, but you always got the tips.

 

[ronandannette]

I thought the 28% suggested tip was bad on a restaurant bill a year ago.

On small amounts my gratuity may exceed 30% or more, but in general I’m a 20% plus round up to the next dollar tipper.

You're extremely generous. 20% is too much too.

 

[tzolkin]

I spent over a decade in the pizza business working for all three major chains. How is it that they never got the tips? At the end of the shift you would cash out and receive your tips. Tipping on a CC changed the game as it then got added to your paycheck and you had to pay the tax on it, resulting in a 0 check many times, but you always got the tips.

What you describe is the norm for servers at restaurants to be paid, but I was talking about places where there is no dine-in and no servers (just a pick up window). There is no way to "cash out" at the end of your shift if you're one of the people working in the kitchen cooking the pizzas or at the desk taking orders and ringing people up. There aren't technically any tips that are "yours" because you don't have any orders or tables assigned to you. It's basically the same setup as a fast-food where there may be a tip jar on the counter, but they are not considered tipped positions.

 

[EACarlson]

What you describe is the norm for servers at restaurants to be paid, but I was talking about places where there is no dine-in and no servers (just a pick up window). There is no way to "cash out" at the end of your shift if you're one of the people working in the kitchen cooking the pizzas or at the desk taking orders and ringing people up. There aren't technically any tips that are "yours" because you don't have any orders or tables assigned to you. It's basically the same setup as a fast-food where there may be a tip jar on the counter, but they are not considered tipped positions.

My mistake, I assumed you were talking about as a delivery person. Working as inside help is not a tipped position and at all of the places I worked and managed, paid quite a bit more in wage than delivery. That being said, when I was managing any tips that were given were split amongst all who were working inside. I'm sure other managers weren't as generous.

 

[mrodgers]

I thought the 28% suggested tip was bad on a restaurant bill a year ago.

On small amounts my gratuity may exceed 30% or more, but in general I’m a 20% plus round up to the next dollar tipper.

I thought the 22% was bad when it started popping up. I think 20% is bad. It use to be 10-15% when I was growing up.

There's a reason only the perpetually offended are offended on behalf of the service industry and not the ones working the service industry that are crying for "living wages." I don't know anyone in the wait staff industry who wants a massive pay cut so the virtue signalers can pat themselves on the back on how they got the service workers $15/hour.

 

[tzolkin]

My mistake, I assumed you were talking about as a delivery person. Working as inside help is not a tipped position and at all of the places I worked and managed, paid quite a bit more in wage than delivery. That being said, when I was managing any tips that were given were split amongst all who were working inside. I'm sure other managers weren't as generous.

Yes, this is what we had always assumed happened since that's what we would do as well. But apparently, since it's up to the manager or owner's discretion, the places near us do not share the tips with the staff (at least the places that I have known teenagers who work that I've inquired about it). The only way to really know that someone receives the tip in these situations is to hand them cash that they put in their pocket. If it goes in the tip jar or on your cc, it's entirely possible that it's just going to the manager or owner.

 

[Disneychick13]

Tipping is out of control. Big no to tipping for housekeeping and tip jars. My only exceptions to tipping for the very few “tipped” positions that exist are if I do a big pick up order for a restaurant that a lot of things have to be packaged and packed up (and I only started doing that post Covid) and my hairdresser. If we start talking about how some people work so hard or deserve more or maybe are underpaid then just give every worker a tip and then that cancels it all out and we are done with it. It’s bonkers.

 

[dez1978]

I would love it if we could move away from tipping and just pay people a normal wage. It's so nice when visiting other countries when the price on the menu is what you pay.

I waited tables and bartended for several years as have many in my family. I don't know any one who is a server who wouldd prefer to be paid a higher wage w/ no tips. 20 years ago I was making 25-30/hr in tips alone. I can't see any restaruant paying a wage high enough to beat what the servers make in tips. I understand what you are saying but for a lot of servers etc, a "normal" wage would be a big pay cut. I'm sure there are some that would be better off with a higher wage, but it wouldn't be the majority.

 

[dez1978]

I thought the 22% was bad when it started popping up. I think 20% is bad. It use to be 10-15% when I was growing up.

There's a reason only the perpetually offended are offended on behalf of the service industry and not the ones working the service industry that are crying for "living wages." I don't know anyone in the wait staff industry who wants a massive pay cut so the virtue signalers can pat themselves on the back on how they got the service workers $15/hour.

Exactly this...

 

[dez1978]

I said normal not living. There shouldn't be a special tipped minimum wage, everyone should make at least the normal minimum wage.

The normal minimum wage, even at $15/hr is a pretty big pay cut vs being a tipped employee at a busy place.

 

[nw6675]

On the flipside, ate at an interstate Bob Evans yesterday while traveling. The default tip was 18% pretax. We upped the amount, but figured there were plenty going with the suggested who would normally go higher.

Note - Not debating the pre or after tax. We do after tax by choice, not because it is expected.

 

[tony67]

Tipping got out of hand with the pandemic no doubt. I was fine with that - but then it never went away.
I've even seen websites asking for tips for something you ordered from them that ships UPS. Everyone seems to think they should be tipped now.

I have no issue tipping good service - but now its expected for mediocre and even poor service.

As far the change from 15 to 20% - people site cost of living increases - but the cost of the item at the restaurant has also gone up so the 15% is more than it was before.

Then there is tipping on a bottle of wine - its already marked up 2-3 times what I can buy it for and then you want another 20% for opening it?
If I order a $20 bottle of wine vs a $100 bottle of wine the work is the same (assuming they both have a cork) - but they expect 20% and sometimes they don't even know how to open it.
I have had then open it and just put it on the table not even offer a taste it or pour your first glass.

Then there is the $1 per drink rule at a bar.
So tipping $1 to open a bottle of beer vs pulling a pint of Guinness vs making a complex drink like a Zombie - they all should get $1 per drink?

I do feel the entire system needs to be addressed. In far too many cases the chef who went to culinary school makes less than the person who carries it from the kitchen to the table.

I've always had a lot of respect for waitstaff - its hard work - but they have become entitled in the last few years.

Personally I've gotten to the point where I can usually cook better stuff at home - I just cant always get the quality ingredients.
I can also make better drinks at home with better ingredients.

I've greatly reduced the times I go out to eat or to a bar as its gotten to the point where its just not worth it.

 

[disney-inspired]

I don't tip for quick service as I'm usually going up to order and picking up my own food. No one is bringing me anything so why should I tip?
Also, I'm in LA county where minimum wage is $15.

 

[Wakey]

I don't tip for quick service as I'm usually going up to order and picking up my own food. No one is bringing me anything so why should I tip?
Also, I'm in LA county where minimum wage is $15.

My daughter here in the UK works in a restaurant, and earns $8.50 an hour, and gets no tips hardly (maybe a £ here and there, by no means every shift).
Californian servers are about the best paid in the world, before tips, at $15 an hour, all over Europe most won’t earn that and there’s no tipping culture.

 

[kanerf]

Fast food places are not designed to pay a 'living wage' which is why they mostly hire teenagers who are still living at home and seniors who just want to supplement their income. If they have to pay someone a 'living wage' get ready for the $20 burger at McDonalds.

 

[ronandannette]

My daughter here in the UK works in a restaurant, and earns $8.50 an hour, and gets no tips hardly (maybe a £ here and there, by no means every shift).
Californian servers are about the best paid in the world, before tips, at $15 an hour, all over Europe most won’t earn that and there’s no tipping culture.

Canadian minimum wages are in many cases that much or higher and if there are any jurisdictions that allow for a lower wage for tipped positions; I'm not aware of them. Certainly not here in Alberta. Yet we are affronted by the current 18%/20%/22% suggested tip amounts automatically on every payment machines. Seriously, how much pay is enough for a service job? A server at a low-to-mid-level restaurant here, where a fairly simple entree and non-alcoholic beverage will run around $22/pp, serving four tables (presume 12 customers) an hour, being tipped at the lowest suggest rate of 18%, will make $47.50/hr in tips, plus their $15 wage. Anybody here think that's under-paid for the role?