Tiered FP+ for DHS

[camandjacksmom]

I agree. My family in the past decade has not waited more than 30 minutes for a ride other than RSR in DL and have gone during every season possible at both WDW and DL. We know how to use EMH and rope drop and never had problems. My friends never believed it until we went together and I showed them.

I am concerned about this changing.

I know the feeling! With the new system we are picking our FP+ for later in the day and then getting to the parks at rope drop to maybe get a chance to ride a headliner more than once! I am really hoping for an option to get/purchase more FP+ once everything is rolled out!

 

[Shaden]

Yet another thing the fp+ critics were right about and fp+ deniers were wrong ...

 

[stairstepmom]

LOL, sorry, no, Mom and Dad created the behavior.

Hey, some Pavlov groupies on this board! There's a reason most psychologists today are not pure behaviorists - human behavior is more complicated than the scent of meat and a puddle of drool

I actually think most children, when confronted with Disney's brave new system, would immediately recognize the grown-up ridiculousness of it. When my 9 year old saw me tinkering with our FP+ reservations, he simply couldn't understand how I was able - or why anyone would want to - choose their rides down to the time 2 months in advance of a trip. I explained you don't HAVE to, but in doing so we will minimize some of the lines we wait in, like we did last time using the paper FPs. His response: "Oh yeah, that was cool before, why'd they change it?"

I left that discussion for another day, along with the birds and the bees

Kids are pretty flexible for the most part; mine wouldn't be terribly disappointed if we canceled our trip for another destination - in fact I think I'd spill more tears than all of them combined!

And the idea that parents are conditioning their kids to be intolerant of lines (if that were even psychologically feasible) is just silly. Here are my sweeties enjoying their simple cow train ride at our local pumpkin patch after waiting in line for 50 minutes - yes, 50 minutes - without one peep over no FPs being available from them or their over-planning, super-using, FP+ disliking mom (And yes, my kids did take up half of that darn train - I admit our family puts ride capacity to the test )

 

[cseca]

Aaaawww that's a cute ride.

 

[tarak]

stairstepmom, are all your posts so reasonable?

And you have seriously adorable kids.

 

[4077]

Hey, no complaining about board content from lurkers! If you don't like the board content contribute and change it. A lot of people have spent a lot of keystrokes here demanding other people post more happy happy joy joy, but they aren't giving us much happy happy joy joy themselves. Put up or shut up.

Thanks to your little animation, I will now spend the next several hours hearing the singing of Ren and Stimpy in my head..."Happy Happy, Joy Joy!"

 

[stairstepmom]

stairstepmom, are all your posts so reasonable?

And you have seriously adorable kids.

Oh no, I can be as unreasonable as the next guy

And thanks, I think they are too but I'm a little biased

 

[btk2333]

there are so many sensationalist posts

nobody knows what the final outcome will be... I was there last weekend and didn't wait in a line longer than 10 minutes (Enchanted Tales with Belle)

Just because you might need a new strategy does not mean that the sky is falling

 

[amylevan]

Well, I can see that I am very late to the party as we are on page 21. But I just wanted to add that I am 10 days away from being able to make FP+ reservations. Think they'll hold off the DS that long?!?!?!?

Because really, what does one need a FP for Indiana Jones or LMA? FML.

 

[wisblue]

1. Everyone should get the same number of FPs. This is a fair system; stop acting so entitled!

This is the basis of Marxist theory. I am a bleeding heart liberal through and through, but I completely disagree with employing this method for anything in human life - politics, economics, social issues or business.

The legacy FP system was as "fair" as fair comes, because everyone had equal OPPORTUNITY to utilize it. .

I'm going to provide one counterargument to this point.

Isn't it common in many situations in good old American capitalism for the number of opportunities to get something to be limited?

For example, if a store is offering a special price on a product, they may offer it as "Supplies limited. Limit one per customer." Or, when tickets go on sale for a popular event, each person may be allowed to purchase a limited number of tickets.

Is this Marxist, or just a capitalist wanting to allow as many of its customers as possible to take advantage of an opportunity? The person who gets there early, whether early at the park in the FP- system, or early online to make a FP+ reservation, will still have an advantage. It's just that the advantage will be limited.

You may not like the FP+ system, but calling it Marxist is a tad overstated.

 

[stairstepmom]

I'm going to provide one counterargument to this point.

Isn't it common in many situations in good old American capitalism for the number of opportunities to get something to be limited?

For example, if a store is offering a special price on a product, they may offer it as "Supplies limited. Limit one per customer." Or, when tickets go on sale for a popular event, each person may be allowed to purchase a limited number of tickets.

Is this Marxist, or just a capitalist wanting to allow as many of its customers as possible to take advantage of an opportunity? The person who gets there early, whether early at the park in the FP- system, or early online to make a FP+ reservation, will still have an advantage. It's just that the advantage will be limited.

You may not like the FP+ system, but calling it Marxist is a tad overstated.

Your comparison is imperfect. While a store may offer a special price on a product and only allow one product at that price to be purchased by a consumer, the consumer is then able to purchase additional products - albeit at its higher, original price - as they so desire. It would be rather shocking to go to the grocery store with a coupon for a gallon of milk for $2, and to be willing to pay the original $3 for a second gallon but be told by the clerk that you are not "allowed" to buy more than one gallon, regardless of price.

If Disney were to offer the option of purchasing additional FP+, I would no longer compare the system to Marxism. In fact, I'd be perfectly fine with that as I would be open to paying for additional FP+. Purchasing power is also an extension of individual effort.

Assigning 3 FP+ to every guest, with no option to obtain more through effort (whether that's physical effort or financial effort), is supply rationing - and the only rationing valid in a free market is the natural rationing that occurs from supply/demand of the price system that works not on an arbitrary external authority but on the effort and decision-making of each consumer. Rationing orchestrated by an external authority - whether that be the government, or a corporation - is not consistent with a market economy.

 

[Angel Ariel]

there are so many sensationalist posts

nobody knows what the final outcome will be... I was there last weekend and didn't wait in a line longer than 10 minutes (Enchanted Tales with Belle)

Just because you might need a new strategy does not mean that the sky is falling

I would venture this had a lot more to do with this being a lower crowd time of year than anything to do with FP or FP+. Many of those concerned are traveling during busier seasons.

 

[mesaboy2]

Your comparison is imperfect. While a store may offer a special price on a product and only allow one product at that price to be purchased by a consumer, the consumer is then able to purchase additional products - albeit at its higher, original price - as they so desire. It would be rather shocking to go to the grocery store with a coupon for a gallon of milk for $2, and to be willing to pay the original $3 for a second gallon but be told by the clerk that you are not "allowed" to buy more than one gallon, regardless of price.

If Disney were to offer the option of purchasing additional FP+, I would no longer compare the system to Marxism. In fact, I'd be perfectly fine with that as I would be open to paying for additional FP+. Purchasing power is also an extension of individual effort.

Assigning 3 FP+ to every guest, with no option to obtain more through effort (whether that's physical effort or financial effort), is supply rationing - and the only rationing valid in a free market is the natural rationing that occurs from supply/demand of the price system that works not on an arbitrary external authority but on the effort and decision-making of each consumer. Rationing orchestrated by an external authority - whether that be the government, or a corporation - is not consistent with a market economy.

Where have you been all my (DISboards FP+) life?

You continue to knock it out of the park.

 

[mom2rtk]

America has always been about equality of opportunity of opportunity, not equality of outcome.

FP- was all about equal opportunity. FP+ is about equality of outcome. (Or at least that's what I think they are going for).

 

[curemyreed]

Well, I can see that I am very late to the party as we are on page 21. But I just wanted to add that I am 10 days away from being able to make FP+ reservations. Think they'll hold off the DS that long?!?!?!?

Because really, what does one need a FP for Indiana Jones or LMA? FML.

FP+ tiering for HS starts Nov. 17th. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

 

[MrInfinity]

Assigning 3 FP+ to every guest, with no option to obtain more through effort (whether that's physical effort or financial effort), is supply rationing - and the only rationing valid in a free market is the natural rationing that occurs from supply/demand of the price system that works not on an arbitrary external authority but on the effort and decision-making of each consumer. Rationing orchestrated by an external authority - whether that be the government, or a corporation - is not consistent with a market economy.

Your logic is so flawed here. This is not about supply rationing. It is about profit maximizing. Disney found that by getting MORE guests onto 3 rides (even not necessarily all headliners) those 3 rides will satiate the need for those ppl to be waiting in long lines for rides, and they will move on to food, shops, or go back to their pool and buy drinks.

On the other hand letting the aggressive FP- runners grab all the FPs, those runners (and their families) are riding all day long (yay!) but not spending money in shops, while the rest of everybody is waiting in lines, and also not in shops.

Most guests, after riding 3 rides quickly, and a few more via moderate lines, along w their time in restaurants, taking pictures, touring and seeing characters, will see that as a "pretty full day". You may not because you are used to getting a wallet of fp tickets. But Disney getting you on a disproportionate number of rides quickly ranks 0 in their list of things to do to maximize profit.

 

[KayKo]

I must have just tweaked my FP+ DHS before it went into effect. We are going Thanksgiving week, and unfortunately, I had changed my Epcot FP+ and lost out. Didn't lose my DHS for our first night, so have Fantasmic and Toy Story! Not changing anything else--too fast a moving target!

 

[WillAustin]

Your logic is so flawed here. This is not about supply rationing. It is about profit maximizing. Disney found that by getting MORE guests onto 3 rides (even not necessarily all headliners) those 3 rides will satiate the need for those ppl to be waiting in long lines for rides, and they will move on to food, shops, or go back to their pool and buy drinks.

On the other hand letting the aggressive FP- runners grab all the FPs, those runners (and their families) are riding all day long (yay!) but not spending money in shops, while the rest of everybody is waiting in lines, and also not in shops.

Most guests, after riding 3 rides quickly, and a few more via moderate lines, along w their time in restaurants, taking pictures, touring and seeing characters, will see that as a "pretty full day". You may not because you are used to getting a wallet of fp tickets. But Disney getting you on a disproportionate number of rides quickly ranks 0 in their list of things to do to maximize profit.

We found that the new FP+ system makes it easier for someone to jump into a park for a little over an hour and ride their 3 rides and get out without hitting any shops or restaurants at all. We did that on a couple of our designated "resort days" in August.

 

[wisblue]

Your comparison is imperfect. While a store may offer a special price on a product and only allow one product at that price to be purchased by a consumer, the consumer is then able to purchase additional products - albeit at its higher, original price - as they so desire. It would be rather shocking to go to the grocery store with a coupon for a gallon of milk for $2, and to be willing to pay the original $3 for a second gallon but be told by the clerk that you are not "allowed" to buy more than one gallon, regardless of price.

If Disney were to offer the option of purchasing additional FP+, I would no longer compare the system to Marxism. In fact, I'd be perfectly fine with that as I would be open to paying for additional FP+. Purchasing power is also an extension of individual effort.

Assigning 3 FP+ to every guest, with no option to obtain more through effort (whether that's physical effort or financial effort), is supply rationing - and the only rationing valid in a free market is the natural rationing that occurs from supply/demand of the price system that works not on an arbitrary external authority but on the effort and decision-making of each consumer. Rationing orchestrated by an external authority - whether that be the government, or a corporation - is not consistent with a market economy.

Your comparison to a special price on milk is the one that's imperfect.

One of my daughters was just talking about limited edition Vera Bradley bags that were limited to two per customer. Is Vera Bradley Marxist?

If I stand in line to buy tickets for the Milwaukee Brewers home opener, I am limited to how many I can buy and I CANNOT buy more just by paying a higher price. Are the Milwaukee Brewers Marxists?

 

[WillAustin]

Your comparison to a special price on milk is the one that's imperfect.

One of my daughters was just talking about limited edition Vera Bradley bags that were limited to two per customer. Is Vera Bradley Marxist?

If I stand in line to buy tickets for the Milwaukee Brewers home opener, I am limited to how many I can buy and I CANNOT buy more just by paying a higher price. Are the Milwaukee Brewers Marxists?

That is solely to avoid scalpers re-selling tickets.