Tiered FP+ for DHS

What is more weird is for a place tht rt2dz totally criticizes, they talk of spending 12k. For that money if the rides are all you want go to Six Flags and pocket 10K.

OR...you could be completely off base. I will just go ahead and use myself as an example of how a likely scenario could take place.

Let's say your wonderful Mother and Father (who took you to MK as a 6 year old in 1972) ask you to plan their 50th Wedding Anniversary celebration at Disney and they want the entire family, including Grandchildren, to be there. Granted, Dad hadn't been there since 1972, but Mom had been twice (her second time in 2010).

Yeah, there was some serious cash dropped there last October. I made sure we had the most "magical" time ever on every level, all the while knowing what was coming down the pike.

But then again...I DO live 18 miles from a Six Flags and have had a Season Pass since 1980. So take all of the above for what its worth.
 
What is more weird is for a place tht rt2dz totally criticizes, they talk of spending 12k. For that money if the rides are all you want go to Six Flags and pocket 10K.

That's actually not a bad option,I don't mean all the time but for example one of the main reasons I have AP's to Disney is for the events throughout the year like Food and Wine and Christmas,but for example during summer when there's really not much going on except heat,rain and large crowds I can think of dozens of amusement parks in areas probably closer and driving distance to many people that would probably be a better option.
 
The recent changes to FP+, tiered EPCOT, POP room keys eliminated from FP-, and now DHS tiered, I think can be initially tied to one thing. Christmas is coming. The 2 weeks around Christmas are the busiest time of the year. FP's for almost everything are completely pulled early in the day. If the test at Pop goes well, I expect all of the other resorts to quickly follow suit and within a month double dipping will be over. Then, onsite guests get a choice of FP+ or FP-. If they want FP- they get a ticket separate from from their MB. I also think AK and probably MK will get tiered FP+.

These changes will come fairly quickly to manage the volume of people expected to be coming during the holidays. If onsite guests were allowed to double dip and pick exclusively e-ticket attractions, the standby lines for everyone else would be even worse that the 3+ hours they were previously.

The question is what happens after the holidays. Will tiered FP+ be year round or only during busy times? If I had to guess, I'm thinking tiered FP+ will be around at least through Easter. And, Disney is going to use the slow times coming up in January and February to transition everyone else over to FP+ and remove the old FP machines.
 
The tiers at DHS are not active yet. I just changed my plans and made another DHS day. Got FP+ for RnR, TSMM, & Star Tours.
 

What is more weird is for a place tht rt2dz totally criticizes, they talk of spending 12k. For that money if the rides are all you want go to Six Flags and pocket 10K.

Seriously?

So the fact that one is willing to invest a large sum of money into a product necessitates their complete support of said product regardless of how the cards fall after the initial investment?

My family has spent $17,000 on our upcoming Jan trip.
4 adults, 5 ticketed kids, 10 nights.

I have loved Disney since I was a little girl and my mom scraped together enough money to drive us up from San Diego to see Disneyland two times. DH and I decided to elope and run off to Disney for a honeymoon instead of spending that money on a "proper" wedding.

We had the best trip ever 2 years ago with our growing brood and without a doubt that was due to research, planning and utilizing RD and FP to the max of our capability. I was that FP runner, 8 months pregnant and sprinting for TSMM to get FPs before we all hopped on standby. And I loved every minute of it!

I started pining for a return trip the instant we stepped into MCO on the way home. I sold a ton of old baby clothes and photography stuff I wasn't using anymore to help pay for a trip in May to take my little sister to her first Disney park ever. I was thrilled to trade in my 10 day ticket for our Jan trip for an AP and when they accidentally sent me 2 AP-holder magnets I stuck both of those puppies on my Suburban proudly! I have never never understood the women who ooh and ahh over purses, but I squealed with delight when my DH got me a D&B mickey balloon purse.

Why does it have to be an either/or mentality for so many people? Why is it not possible to love all the magic that a place represents and at the same time feel like bits of that magic are being stolen away from you in the name of cold cash and hard numbers?

In a span of 2 years we have given $30,000 to Disney - they don't also get a right to my unending patience and forgiveness. I still retain my ability to think for myself, have opinions - even conflicting ones! - and put a stop to the cash flow when I feel the stress and disappointment of planning the trip is starting to outweigh the magic I feel when there.

My 6 year old with Down syndrome doesn't want to go to Disney to wander around and absorb the atmosphere - he wants to experience the rides that, in his nearly non-verbal world, immerse him in the characters and films that he loves, like Toy Story - ones he can't get at Six Flags.

We all experience the magic differently and for me the magic is mostly in watching my kids experience what's important to them. We didn't use GAC last trip because our hard work and planning meant we didn't need to even think about it; I encourage my kids to learn to meet the world half-way rather than sit back and expect accommodations. I'm happy to get 8 kids up, dressed and on that bus an hour before RD and hoof it with a newborn slung against my chest to get those precious FPs so my kids can ride TSMM two or three times. We may need to think about using DAS next time, not because we want special accommodations but because we want what we had 2 years ago. And yes, that bothers me greatly. I want to be able to give my kids the same experience we had last time with hard work and determination alone. Right now I feel forced to work hard - keeping up with these changes, spending 2 hours in the middle of the night dealing with the glitches to get our FP+s booked, trying to keep 8 kids and 2 seniors on a tight schedule that is now bound into one-hour increments I had to choose 60 days in advance of REALITY happening - and if my little guy can't ride TSMM 3x because I worked hard to get him on that ride (not because the world ACCOMMODATED us), then I'm not going to bleat like a sheep to the tune of Steamboat Willie. I'm going to be disappointed, and I'm going to take our money elsewhere.

Why some people on this board can't understand the conflicting emotions that are involved for many of us with these changes is beyond me. If you're happy with the changes, then what does it matter to you if I'm not? Perhaps it goes back to the idea that opinions that vary from our own act as a spotlight on unconscious self-doubts we ourselves harbor; I encourage you to explore that psychological aspect before making such thoughtless comments to fellow Disney-lovers.

I'll do everything I can to make this trip awesome for my kids, because we're all in now. And I will still love Disney characters and stories and all of those hard-earned magical memories we made together as a family. But I am an intelligent thinking being who is capable of experiencing multiple cognitive notions and emotions at once and I can simultaneously dislike the micromanagement being employed at the parks.
 
And THAT, my friends, is how to write an eloquent and effective post!
 
Seriously?

So the fact that one is willing to invest a large sum of money into a product necessitates their complete support of said product regardless of how the cards fall after the initial investment?

My family has spent $17,000 on our upcoming Jan trip.
4 adults, 5 ticketed kids, 10 nights.

I have loved Disney since I was a little girl and my mom scraped together enough money to drive us up from San Diego to see Disneyland two times. DH and I decided to elope and run off to Disney for a honeymoon instead of spending that money on a "proper" wedding.

We had the best trip ever 2 years ago with our growing brood and without a doubt that was due to research, planning and utilizing RD and FP to the max of our capability. I was that FP runner, 8 months pregnant and sprinting for TSMM to get FPs before we all hopped on standby. And I loved every minute of it!

I started pining for a return trip the instant we stepped into MCO on the way home. I sold a ton of old baby clothes and photography stuff I wasn't using anymore to help pay for a trip in May to take my little sister to her first Disney park ever. I was thrilled to trade in my 10 day ticket for our Jan trip for an AP and when they accidentally sent me 2 AP-holder magnets I stuck both of those puppies on my Suburban proudly! I have never never understood the women who ooh and ahh over purses, but I squealed with delight when my DH got me a D&B mickey balloon purse.

Why does it have to be an either/or mentality for so many people? Why is it not possible to love all the magic that a place represents and at the same time feel like bits of that magic are being stolen away from you in the name of cold cash and hard numbers?

In a span of 2 years we have given $30,000 to Disney - they don't also get a right to my unending patience and forgiveness. I still retain my ability to think for myself, have opinions - even conflicting ones! - and put a stop to the cash flow when I feel the stress and disappointment of planning the trip is starting to outweigh the magic I feel when there.

My 6 year old with Down syndrome doesn't want to go to Disney to wander around and absorb the atmosphere - he wants to experience the rides that, in his nearly non-verbal world, immerse him in the characters and films that he loves, like Toy Story - ones he can't get at Six Flags.

We all experience the magic differently and for me the magic is mostly in watching my kids experience what's important to them. We didn't use GAC last trip because our hard work and planning meant we didn't need to even think about it; I encourage my kids to learn to meet the world half-way rather than sit back and expect accommodations. I'm happy to get 8 kids up, dressed and on that bus an hour before RD and hoof it with a newborn slung against my chest to get those precious FPs so my kids can ride TSMM two or three times. We may need to think about using DAS next time, not because we want special accommodations but because we want what we had 2 years ago. And yes, that bothers me greatly. I want to be able to give my kids the same experience we had last time with hard work and determination alone. Right now I feel forced to work hard - keeping up with these changes, spending 2 hours in the middle of the night dealing with the glitches to get our FP+s booked, trying to keep 8 kids and 2 seniors on a tight schedule that is now bound into one-hour increments I had to choose 60 days in advance of REALITY happening - and if my little guy can't ride TSMM 3x because I worked hard to get him on that ride (not because the world ACCOMMODATED us), then I'm not going to bleat like a sheep to the tune of Steamboat Willie. I'm going to be disappointed, and I'm going to take our money elsewhere.

Why some people on this board can't understand the conflicting emotions that are involved for many of us with these changes is beyond me. If you're happy with the changes, then what does it matter to you if I'm not? Perhaps it goes back to the idea that opinions that vary from our own act as a spotlight on unconscious self-doubts we ourselves harbor; I encourage you to explore that psychological aspect before making such thoughtless comments to fellow Disney-lovers.

I'll do everything I can to make this trip awesome for my kids, because we're all in now. And I will still love Disney characters and stories and all of those hard-earned magical memories we made together as a family. But I am an intelligent thinking being who is capable of experiencing multiple cognitive notions and emotions at once and I can simultaneously dislike the micromanagement being employed at the parks.

That was pretty awesome...just sayin'. :thumbsup2 Actually, it was fabulous!!

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I had been thinking of a "grand gathering" of my family. Me, DBF, my 4 adult children, 2 spouses and 5 grandchildren for my 60th birthday in three years (current planned trip adults only). I had even started a savings account for said trip. I would have loved to plan their Disney vacation (plenty of time on their own mind you) but have decided it would be a ridiculous mess. No way to coordinate this brood and have a decent time.

I am now planning a resort on a lake nearby as an alternative. So, thanks WDW...I guess I will revel in the grandchildren "tubing" and fishing and roasting marshmellows instead of riding Dumbo or watching the parade. I am willing to bet I will have an equal amount of fabulous photos and memorable moments.

Just saved myself major money on that one.
 
Tiers, schmeirs.....even if I were going to have FP+ available for our trip next month, it would do me no good. I have been a dozen times and a month out from our trip I don't even know what park we will be at each day...how the hell would I choose what ride and time I need?
:crazy2:
 
Dang it! I just lost a long post in cyberspace!

I was wanting to comment to those wondering if tiered FP+ is coming to MK. When we tested FP+ in December of 2012 MK, Epcot, and HS were tiered. (Didn't do AK, so I don't know if it was or not.) For MK there were 2 tiers and we were allowed to select 2 from each for a total of 4. I am so sorry for those who are asking, but I do not remember which rides were in which tier. Anyway, because of that test I think MK will be tiered as well.

For what it is worth, FP+ was glitchy and provided us with fewer FPs than the legacy system. I did fill out a survey after AND wrote to Disney detailing exactly what I found awful and that I would not find FP+ to be an improvement. Looks like either I was in the minority or Diz just didn't care.
 
The recent changes to FP+, tiered EPCOT, POP room keys eliminated from FP-, and now DHS tiered, I think can be initially tied to one thing. Christmas is coming. The 2 weeks around Christmas are the busiest time of the year. FP's for almost everything are completely pulled early in the day. If the test at Pop goes well, I expect all of the other resorts to quickly follow suit and within a month double dipping will be over. Then, onsite guests get a choice of FP+ or FP-. If they want FP- they get a ticket separate from from their MB. I also think AK and probably MK will get tiered FP+.

These changes will come fairly quickly to manage the volume of people expected to be coming during the holidays. If onsite guests were allowed to double dip and pick exclusively e-ticket attractions, the standby lines for everyone else would be even worse that the 3+ hours they were previously.

My thoughts exactly.
A little forethought and planning, it would seem - not before time!
 
I agree...and we failed the test. Everyone (to use a generality) got to pick their three FP+ rides AND got a KTTW ticket that allowed them to "double-dip" by using the KTTW card to pull paper FPs. Often those paper FPs were for rides already selected as FP+ rides thus exhausting all FPs for popular rides like Soarin', TSM, Test Track, RnR, early in the morning. People who got left out in the cold started griping and VOILA...tiered fast passes have returned.

Agree. However, if we put on our science geek hats and look at this as a true test, the data is flawed. We won't have "double-dipping" in the future, so Disney better realize this and stop the tiering or the "double-dipping" - but not both. It's just making people think that their experience is being limited - and bad publicity/opinions is bad for any company.

Honestly, I'm having difficulty coming up with 3 FP+ options in HS regardless of tiering. We would usually get one for TSM if we could, and then ride ST over and over with FPs. Am I really going to set a time for Muppet Vision?? This is all silly.
 
Tiers, schmeirs.....even if I were going to have FP+ available for our trip next month, it would do me no good. I have been a dozen times and a month out from our trip I don't even know what park we will be at each day...how the hell would I choose what ride and time I need?
:crazy2:

Exactly my feelings:thumbsup2 I don't need WDW planning my every move!
 
I know people are unhappy about the new system & posting like crazy about it here, what I'm wondering is if anyone has thought to voice these concerns & complaints to Disney directly? Yes I understand the frustration regarding this however just voicing it on these boards will not tell Disney how unsatisfied people are. Maybe if Disney knew how dissatisfied people are & if they get enough complaints maybe, just maybe they will actually take this into consideration.
 
The slow descent from fabulousness to steaming turd continues.

Remember when we kept asking why Disney doesn't just unveil their timeline and roll out plans. Now we know why for sure, they couldn't have explained this mess back in February. And they sure couldn't have used your description.

The holiday season will be rough, but they will be able to spin it all away in the light January - February season.
 


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