Thoughts on Immigration from a Teacher's Husband

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MosMom said:
You are such a racist. You told Miss Jasmine to grow up for mentioning your racist blog but I remember it too. I think she has a point to mention that because when you are a bigot to begin with, you see anything that has to do with a different race through tainted eyes.

I actually agree with some points you made but do you have to stick the racist BS in with your points? You totally lose credibility and respect.

dis ms. said:
OP, whether you like it or not, MosMom makes an excellent point. Many of us here remember all too well the disgustingly racist things you wrote in your blog. In your own words, you made it quite clear how you feel about Mexicans (illegal or otherwise).

I'm having a hard time believing you're just upset about the ones that are here illegally. Sounds as if you're using the immigration issue as an excuse to rant about Mexicans without being raked across the coals. I'd have more respect for you if you were just honest about your racist opinions. Okay, maybe not, but at least you'd be telling the truth. :rolleyes2

Great posts, both. I remember those disgusting blog comments well, and the excuses made by the OP when trying to 'defend' it. Thanks for mentioning her blog, Miss Jasmine--I knew I remembered her username from somewhere.

OP, why do you act with indignance when people call you out on your xenophobia and bigotry? After all, you are the one who presented yourself to us (and anyone else with whom you shared your blog) in this manner. Your obvious frame of reference certainly gives your opinions in this thread a lack of credibility.
 
On a side Disney note - Imagine going to the AMERICAN ADVENTURE at Epcot. And listening to 'Spread your Golden Wings' In Spanish. Listening to John F. Kennedy ask 'Its not what your country can do for you, its what you can do for your country' In spanish!? Well heck, lets listen to in a native american language, they were here first!

Following that logic, they should only do the films in the China Pavillion in Chinese , the French film in French, etc...

The idea of language is to communicate effectively. If most of your audience speaks English, use English - which is exactly what they have done at Epcot - even for the "foreign" countries.
 
Regardless of the veracity of this particular email, the time is approaching when the hand wringing will have to stop and actions will have to taken. If you spend your time looking for racism, taking offence on behalf of other people, then you are not going to find a solution, all you will find is racism.

What are you trying to say? That it doesn't matter if an anecdote is actually true, as long as it illustrates a valid point?

And for the record, I do not take offense of behalf of others. Racist comments offend me as a human being, regardless of whether or not I belong to the ethnic group that is being maligned.
 
LuvDuke said:
Two observations:

1) As to your comment about the "Dems", you really should get your "ducks in a row" before shooting. Gaining Hispanic support was why Bush used his version of Spanish (aka: mangled Spanglish) and waved the Mexican flag at campaign rallies.

Since one picture is worth a thousand words .....

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/bush-waves-mexican-flag/

Oh, pardon me, you were using the "Dead-eye Dick" Cheney method of hunting.

2) As to your "both sides" comment, gee no kidding! That was the reason for my comment "Politics makes strange bedfellows and Bush is sleeping with Ted Kennedy when it comes to amnesty."

I didn't realize it needed a translation.

Ducks in a row huh? Lets see here in california you have the state senate that passed a resolution to back mondays protest. One guess who was for it and who was against it. I guess the " DEMS " see it as ok for childern to skip school. Who is trying to gain Hispanic support here?

Also yes. I felt it did needed to be translated. Hard to see through that liberal stuff you spout. ( See the next post below )


P.S. I did get a kick out of the " Dead-eye-Dick " comment.
 

Puffy2 said:
This may come as a surpise, but Illegals CAN'T VOTE.

and it may come as a surprise to the Republican's who have been kissing their behinds, because many of the latinos who are in the US legally do NOT support giving the illegals a free ride. Doing so is costing them business and income. (Because they are trying to conduct businesses legitamently, by hiring only legals, and when the government looks the other way when their competitors use illegals, they can't make the same low bids for jobs).

You don't think so huh? Lets see here what did you say in your last post..

Puffy2 said:
The reason so many of these children qualify for the free lunch, etc... is the forged paperwork - that could also be addressed.

Hummm... Wonder if they could use forged paperwork to vote.. Also family members of illegals would vote for the person they think would help them out to make their friends/family legal.

Take off your liberal blinders for one moment, and you will see it is a problem that both side of the political fence have added to.
 
MosMom said:
You are such a racist. You told Miss Jasmine to grow up for mentioning your racist blog but I remember it too. I think she has a point to mention that because when you are a bigot to begin with, you see anything that has to do with a different race through tainted eyes.

I actually agree with some points you made but do you have to stick the racist BS in with your points? You totally lose credibility and respect.

dis ms. said:
OP, whether you like it or not, MosMom makes an excellent point. Many of us here remember all too well the disgustingly racist things you wrote in your blog. In your own words, you made it quite clear how you feel about Mexicans (illegal or otherwise).

I'm having a hard time believing you're just upset about the ones that are here illegally. Sounds as if you're using the immigration issue as an excuse to rant about Mexicans without being raked across the coals. I'd have more respect for you if you were just honest about your racist opinions. Okay, maybe not, but at least you'd be telling the truth. :rolleyes2

I agree. OP-What was up with you telling Miss Jasmine to "grow up" anyway? She made a valid point. Seems like "the pot calling the kettle black" to me.
 
Wow!

I sit here almost speechless. First of all, as the mom of six beautiful children who are half Hispanic, I find that article disgusting.

We have a very large Hispanic population in our town, and I have never seen any of the bahaviors described in that article. It seems to be focusing on her class, but clearly implicates that most illegal immigrants (how does she know they are all illegal anyway?) act this way.

I can assure you that the Hispanic culture does not "accept" this things as commonplace and acceptable. They don't criticize and stigmatize when teen pregnancy, etc happens, but it is not "embraced" by their culture.

I too remember the blog and the attitude disgusted me just as much then.
 
greenyskp said:
Your denying illegal immigrants get pregnant and rape us of tax dollars to fund their children?

If theyre getting paid under the table...who is paying for the wic and foodstamp programs their children need to be on? And if theyre not on wic and foodstamps, who is paying for their education?

You are.

There are too many actual citizens in this country who NEED tax dollars for things, then wasting billions on people who are not here legally.
greenyskp said:
I work in, and went to school in one of those title one schools. I also work in a restaurant where the clientel is mainly hispanic.

Let's expand on this...

You are complaining because illegal immigrants have children (who are then US citizens). Those children are the reason for so many Title 1 schools (again, according to your line of thinking). You are employed at a Title 1 school.

So, would you be employed without these children needing a school? Biting the hand that feeds you, sort of, isn't it?

You see, no illegal immigrants with children = less schools = less school employees = possibly no job for you or the person that wrote the email.

Fewer Hispanics = fewer restaurants with mainly Hispanic clientel = less restaurant jobs = possibly no job for you.

I sure would hate to be someone with a child in a school, or a be a client in a restaurant where the personnel loathe me and my child.
 
Chuck S said:
Let's expand on this...

You are complaining because illegal immigrants have children (who are then US citizens). Those children are the reason for so many Title 1 schools (again, according to your line of thinking). You are employed at a Title 1 school.
So, would you be employed without these children needing a school? Biting the hand that feeds you, sort of, isn't it?
You see, no illegal immigrants with children = less schools = less school employees = possibly no job for you or the person that wrote the email.
Fewer Hispanics = fewer restaurants with mainly Hispanic clientel = less restaurant jobs = possibly no job for you.
I sure would hate to be someone with a child in a school, or a be a client in a restaurant where the personnel loathe me and my child.
I don't think many people are so petty that they base their macro demographic beliefs on how it might impact their jobs.
Perhaps the OP thinks that fewer illegal immigrants with children = smaller classes = better standards of education = more prosperous country = higher local tax take = better paid teachers?
And you can dislike a belief without loathing the believers.

ford family
 
Fewer children would definitely mean fewer schools and employees, it does not necessarily mean smaller class sizes or better standards of eduation, given that school districts don't build schools unless there are enough children to fill them. Nor does it necessarily mean better paid teachers or higher local tax take, more likely it would simply mean lower taxes, but maybe not, since illegals pay property tax through their rent like anyone else and in most states the schools are financed through a property tax.

Would you like to patronize an establishment or send your kids to school if the employees felt the way about you that the OP apparently feels about her students and customers...I mean, how would she "know" which of her restaurant customers were "legal" or "illegal?"
 
Miss Jasmine said:
This is a highly racist piece and yet no one seems to care. :( Most are just nodding their heads in agreement.
:thumbsup2 Finally...someone with a nod for the "other" side. You were brave to come out with this post on the first page, especially after most every other post was in support of the OP's! (and no...I'm not some "bleeding heart liberal either, but an American Citizen by birth). Racism and racist comments are repulsive, and should be to everyone irregardless of your political party affiliation. The only people in this country who are NOT immigrants, or descendents of immigrants, are residing on reservations (in this century...yes). I have Lakota in my blood, but I'm not any more indemnified as a result.

I also have many Hispanic friends living here in Southern California. Monday was an incredible day, with a huge show of force throughout our streets and City. It was moving and powerful. It's always simple to generalize and point the finger at a race for all the "wrongs" with our society. People have been blasting the African American community and race for years, blaming them as a whole for the ills of our nation, criminal justice system/prisons, healthcare, schools and de-segregation, etc. Most seemingly presume everyone of color carries a weapon and is "out to get you" (quickly locking car doors if someone of color merely crosses the sidewalk in front of you). :confused3

Stereotypes are so incredibly tough to shake, once they are ingrained in the human Psyche. I saw a lot of "ugly" things on Monday as well. I watched the Hispanics in charge of the park demonstration physically chase some of their own people (men pushing simple popsicle carts) off the grounds of a public place. They were free to do so, and did it without violence or use of force. They simply criticized and chastised them all the way to the street using megaphones (for selling popsicles to the crowd, etc). They spoke in English and Spanish...telling them to "be ashamed" of their actions, for not understanding the boycott to mean NO SELLING/BUYING of anything! These men were actually crying, and spoke only Spanish. Later someone interpreted for them. Yes, they were illegal aliens. Yes, they admittedly did not understand anything about the boycott or issues, or even care. They simply wanted to make some money to support their family. They have to work, rain or shine, political hotbed in the park or not. Isn't this what everyone wants? Isn't this mere basic human nature, to want bare necessities to survive? Yet, they organizers felt the actions necessary to further the seriousness of the demonstration principle to the legions involved and watching.

I also witnessed people with Rebel flags screaming and taunting the crowds with a barrage of ethnic slurs and colloquialisms from pick-up trucks as they repeatedly passed. I watched this in complete and utter disgust and dismay. What is the mindset of such people, (apparently brains the size of peas)? What is the compelling force behind such an action? Why would the resulting violence change anything with regards to this issue? The Police stopped the action before it began, thankfully. Children held American flags and also flags from Mexico. Demonstrations are freely permitted in our society and should never scare anyone, or make them so defensive. It's part of what makes this country so great. We were founded on such principle and freedoms.

Our nation has a lot more faults which can not easily be tossed onto the backs of the illegals or any one race in particular. Gas prices are not soaring because of illegal immigration. The air is not filthy and soiled because of illegal immigration. Health care is not soaring due to their influx either. Today, the front page of the times noted how Brits have better overall health & healthcare, and incur a third of the cost we do (nationwide). The UK incorporates a NHC system, where even immigrants (legal & illegal) and homeless are entitled/covered. These issues are infinite, and none are the result of illegal immigration.

It's plain and simple racism and persecution to point the finger at one race, and blame them for such problems as the OP's article reflects. It's not all about cheaper tomatoes, etc. Okies picked grapes in this country for YEARS in the fields of Arvin (Grapes of Wrath), and most were undoubtedly white. They were persecuted and treated like trash, as were Irish, Italian, Chinese and many other ethnic groups in the early years of our country's expansion. Now, it's the Hispanic's turn. Instead of running and hiding, they are simply using the system devised and available to everyone. They are "voicing their opinion" to which they are entitled (under Democratic law).

Most all of my Hispanic friends went to work on Monday. They purchased gasoline and groceries, and supported and greased the economic wheel churning in our little corner of the world. They do not support the ideals of those supporting the boycott, or the protests they proclaim against the new laws. They are here legally, and worked very hard to be here in that capacity. Yet, they do not condemn those for their actions either. They are entitled to protest, and boycott, and do whatever they please for whatever purpose they intend. They are free to hold such convictions. This is America.

If I lived in Mexico...I would RUN for the border the first chance I had. I would come to this country any way I could searching for a better life. Sure, I would want to be here legally, and would be scared beyond belief being here any other way (as I would in any country). Therefore, I have tolerance for these folks. I can relate, without having to wear their shoes. I do not have to have cancer, to know it sucks. And I do not have to be an illegal immigrant, to know it sucks too. :confused3 Very few of us will ever face such a dilemma or hardship, as we were fortunate enough to be born in this country. It's easy to condemn such people, sitting on the high horse of freedom and righteousness. It takes much more to be understanding. Try for a moment, to see the other side of the issue.

**BTW...what do cell phones have to do with the FREE breakfast/lunch program issue? Who so closely monitors these kids to watch their every move, note their weight, cell phone use, wastefulness and ethnicity?? Ever seen the movie "American GRAFITTI?" LOL. Kids of ALL races vandalize public property, not just Hispanics. Verbal abuse as described towards the female teachers in the article is consistent with the demographics of the region (where the school is actually located, as in a ghetto...where the use of such terms is common vernacular in the home/hood). It's not merely inherent "speak" in the Hispanic community. These teachers should not be teaching in such a school (replace them with Michelle Pfeiffer prototypes--she did a great job in that film). They already DO leave and return voluntarily, and have been doing so for years. When the crops are in, they "migrate" north and work the labor camps. When the season/work ends, many of these migrants return to Mexico. So, yes...this actually happens. My gardener, pool~man (as he dubs himself), etc.---are all white with names such as John and Jim. Not every person in such a position is a Hispanic or African American!
 
Toby'sFriend said:
"Ordered" to spend $700k even thought there was little Need for Anything?
And this was a Public High School?


Color me doubtful :confused3


Sorry, I'd need to see an actual signature to take this seriously. I'm not saying it is false, but it looks like prime Snopes material to me.

Actually, I *could* see something like this. I worked for a subsidary (not exactly sure what it's called - we weren't federal government but we were funded by the government - so we didn't get all the good holidays off; only the negative stuff seemed to come into play at times) of the Department of Education and if we did NOT spend out budgets by the end of the year - it would get cut, etc... so literally at the end of the fiscal year there was a spending spree for whatever was left in the budget for that year. Want new furniture - GREAT, get it, etc... Before it would get to that point, everything was very frugal and requisitions could take a while to get through the paperwork chain but come near budget time and things FLEW until the budget was used up.
 
I dont feel the need to defend myself. Me and all the people who know me, know Im not racist.

I stand by this issue. Get legal. Or get out.
 
It's possible to have an opinion about this an not be a racist, but the OP went a different direction. It really does a diservice to the people like myself that just want change and don't have an issue with the people themselves.

Count me in as another person who saw some pretty racist comments before the they were erased. Interesting the changes you see when people don't think anybody is looking.
 
The issue at hand is about *illegal* immigrants. Racism really shouldn't play a part, because there are illegals of just about every race and nationality here in the US.

Mexicans seem to come to the forefront because they have greater numbers and, at the moment, are being more vocal.
 
cardaway said:
It's possible to have an opinion about this an not be a racist, but the OP went a different direction. It really does a diservice to the people like myself that just want change and don't have an issue with the people themselves.

Count me in as another person who saw some pretty racist comments before the they were erased. Interesting the changes you see when people don't think anybody is looking.


My posts may have been edited, but it was for spelling errors. I changed nothing.

Unless your referring to my blog, which wasnt erased, just made friends-only. Have you checked it lately? Good stuff in there.

This is becoming laughable. To me anyway. Lets start a post on a religious opinions, so I can really be flamed!!!
 
greenyskp said:
My posts may have been edited, but it was for spelling errors. I changed nothing.

Unless your referring to my blog, which wasnt erased, just made friends-only. Have you checked it lately? Good stuff in there.

This is becoming laughable. To me anyway. Lets start a post on a religious opinions, so I can really be flamed!!!

Hey you're the one that put it out there in the first place. If you want the comments on this thread to be only what you approve of then I would suggest posting this on your blog and only allowing friends to respond.
 
Crankyshank said:
Hey you're the one that put it out there in the first place. If you want the comments on this thread to be only what you approve of then I would suggest posting this on your blog and only allowing friends to respond.


I never said I was upset about the opinions coming. Just that they were laughable. And did post it on my blog.
 
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