This makes me sick......

[boomhauer]

Tigger Magic, with all due respect, let me ask you something.

We don't want to have anything to do with her in relation to that movie. Michelle doesn't represent the values of this institution. Brokeback Mountain basically promotes a lifestyle we don't promote.

How do you consider that statement to be a definition of this:

tol·er·ance ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tlr-ns)
n.
The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others.

 

[Bob Slydell]

Tigger Magic, with all due respect, let me ask you something.

We don't want to have anything to do with her in relation to that movie. Michelle doesn't represent the values of this institution. Brokeback Mountain basically promotes a lifestyle we don't promote.

How do you consider that statement to be a definition of this:

tol·er·ance ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tlr-ns)
n.
The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others.

It's not a definition of tolerance, nor is it a definition of non-tolerance.

Stating that they don't promote homosexual lifestyle is not disrespecting homosexuality. It's saying that it's not a lifestyle they choose.

 

[boomhauer]

It's not a definition of tolerance, nor is it a definition of non-tolerance.

Stating that they don't promote homosexual lifestyle is not disrespecting homosexuality. It's saying that it's not a lifestyle they choose.

We could around and around on this all day. That's one point of view, and certainly one that you are entitled to.

There is the other (that of mine and a few others) that says it is disrespectful.

Why don't you post what he said on the Gay and Lesbian forum and see if those that are of that lifestyle are offended by his remarks...

 

[Tigger_Magic]

I didn't say that - Where did YOU come up with that?

From your posts on this thread. Have you been reading what you write?

In other words, tolerance is no longer sufficient. Everyone is now being told "endorse and recommend...or be labeled a bigot"

Followed by your response...

Of course, he could always have kept his trap shut as opposed to trying to get attention for his school by degrading homosexuals.

Tolerance sufficient? of course it is. Why would you even ask that? Tolerance to me doesn't include issuing a public statement denouncing homosexuality.

Noone said he HAS to promote a homosexual lifestyle but to say "We don't want to have anything to do with her in relation to that movie. Michelle doesn't represent the values of this institution. Brokeback Mountain basically promotes a lifestyle we don't promote." - You don't take that as denouncing homosexuality?

Actually, no. And this is where I conclude that you are saying that unless one BOTH tolerates AND promotes homosexuality, then one is denouncing homosexuality.

To me, tolerance would be saying nothing at all. Going out of your way to say that you don't "promote a lifestyle", is not. If you think it is, that's your opinion.

Again, you are basing your opinion on faulty information. Mr. Hopson did not go "out of his way" to say anything.

The San Diego Union-Tribune newspaper contacted the school to ask for permission to visit the school for a story about the actress' roots. Williams attended the grade school part of this institution. It was during that contact that the paper recorded the "interview" (comments) with Mr. Hopson. He did nothing to seek out this publicity (and I must, therefore, retract my previous disparaging posts regarding Mr. Hopson's alleged motivations for these comments). Apparently, he was simply responding to a newspaper's request to visit the school and was answering some questions posed to him.

A lot of hoopla over nothing. (But then where would the CB be without that!)

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Tigger Magic, with all due respect, let me ask you something.

We don't want to have anything to do with her in relation to that movie. Michelle doesn't represent the values of this institution. Brokeback Mountain basically promotes a lifestyle we don't promote.

How do you consider that statement to be a definition of this:

tol·er·ance ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tlr-ns)
n.
The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others.

Where is it written that this school or anyone for that matter is required to tolerate something they do not believe, approve or choose to promote? What else are you going to demand that everyone tolerate next? For you it may be homosexuality. For someone else it may be some other "-ality" (and you can fill in the blank). There are all kinds of lifestyles that people (including YOU) may not believe, approve or promote. Does that make them or you bad?

 

[Bob Slydell]

The San Diego Union-Tribune newspaper contacted the school to ask for permission to visit the school for a story about the actress' roots. Williams attended the grade school part of this institution. It was during that contact that the paper recorded the "interview" (comments) with Mr. Hopson. He did nothing to seek out this publicity (and I must, therefore, retract my previous disparaging posts regarding Mr. Hopson's alleged motivations for these comments). Apparently, he was simply responding to a newspaper's request to visit the school and was answering some questions posed to him.

A lot of hoopla over nothing. (But then where would the CB be without that!)

This makes more sense now -- I was wondering why he's come out with a statement just to "denounce" Michelle, but this explains it.

Sure, of course if asked, any head of a Christian school is going to pretty much say the same thing that Mr. Dobson said. Again, I don't agree with his opinion, but it's what he believes.

 

[DisneyDotty]

Just because everyone is entitled to their opinion doesn't mean what they say isn't stupid.

This has got to be my new favorite quote.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

We could around and around on this all day.

Hey, the CB is sort of boring today and heck, look at what this is doing to our post counts!

 

[goofygirl]

"Brokeback Mountain actress Michelle Williams has been disowned by her former school because of her role in the controversial gay cowboy romance."


How exactly does a school "disown" you if you have already graduated from it? That's like a company firing you after you've quit.

So if she played a murderer in a film, would that be okay? Or is just playing a gay cowboy's wife a sin?

I am not worried for her. The school headmaster's stupidity will give her publicity and her already thriving career a nice boost.

 

[boomhauer]

Where is it written that this school or anyone for that matter is required to tolerate something they do not believe, approve or choose to promote? What else are you going to demand that everyone tolerate next? For you it may be homosexuality. For someone else it may be some other "-ality" (and you can fill in the blank). There are all kinds of lifestyles that people (including YOU) may not believe, approve or promote. Does that make them or you bad?

TM - I'm done with this back and forth with you. You say that I must not be reading what I'm writing. You've been saying for the last 2 pages, that he IS being tolerant and not promoting something doesn't mean he's not tolerant.

Now you're saying that he DOESN'T have to tolerant.

I give up. You win.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

TM - I'm done with this back and forth with you. You say that I must not be reading what I'm writing. You've been saying for the last 2 pages, that he IS being tolerant and not promoting something doesn't mean he's not tolerant.

Now you're saying that he DOESN'T have to tolerant.

I give up. You win.

This is what happens when you continually distort other's words. If you bothered to read with comprehension, you might follow someone else's train of thought. Instead you misread, either deliberately or unknowingly, ending up derailing yourself and smashing your credibility.

Sorry you feel the need to surrender. It has been interesting parrying with you.

 

[boomhauer]

This is what happens when you continually distort other's words. If you bothered to read with comprehension, you might follow someone else's train of thought. Instead you misread, either deliberately or unknowingly, ending up derailing yourself and smashing your credibility.

Personally, I just take some Nyquil, but if getting that off your chest will help you sleep better tonight -

 

[declansdad]

IMHO, boomhauer is saying is that if someone is truly tolerant of another lifestyle they wouldn't make a public statement denouncing it.

What you believe in is your personal choice and you are certainly entitled to your opinion but making a public statement about it can be taken as prejudice.

If the school truly didn't want to make this a public issue they could have simply refused the reporters request. I doubt that this was something that the headmaster made up on the spot when he was "ambushed" by the reporter.

 

[boomhauer]

IMHO, boomhauer is saying is that if someone is truly tolerant of another lifestyle they wouldn't make a public statement denouncing it.

What you believe in is your personal choice and you are certainly entitled to your opinion but making a public statement about it can be taken as prejudice.

If the school truly didn't want to make this a public issue they could have simply refused the reporters request. I doubt that this was something that the headmaster made up on the spot when he was "ambushed" by the reporter.

For what it's worth, your opinion is correct - That's EXACTLY what I am saying.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

IMHO, boomhauer is saying is that if someone is truly tolerant of another lifestyle they wouldn't make a public statement denouncing it.

What you believe in is your personal choice and you are certainly entitled to your opinion but making a public statement about it can be taken as prejudice.

If the school truly didn't want to make this a public issue they could have simply refused the reporters request. I doubt that this was something that the headmaster made up on the spot when he was "ambushed" by the reporter.

This simply perpetuates the distortion that to say "I don't support ____________" equates to a denouncement of ___________. It is absurd to attempt to make such a correlation.

Once again, where is the requirement that everyone tolerate everything?

 

[boomhauer]

Sorry - I said something, but it didn't really serve a purpose at this point.

Disregard. On with your day.

 

[Maleficent13]

In catching up with the posts (man, you do some actual work and the thread just races along!), it seems to me that boomhauer is advocating the age old saying:

"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

 

[boomhauer]

In catching up with the posts (man, you do some actual work and the thread just races along!), it seems to me that boomhauer is advocating the age old saying:

"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

In a nutshell - Yes.

Though I admit, I've been guilty of not keeping my mouth on this thread.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

In catching up with the posts (man, you do some actual work and the thread just races along!), it seems to me that boomhauer is advocating the age old saying:

"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

Nice saying (but following it would do serious violence to my tag). It also doesn't work IRL. I've just finished completing annual performance reviews for my team at work. If I attempted to apply this adage, I would have a difficult time reviewing specific performance areas that do not meet expectations or even fall well below expectations.

I also would not be able to address specific unacceptable/unprofessional behavior issues that arise at work or home.

Nice adage... just not really practical in every situation.

 

[Maleficent13]

I prefer:

"If you can't say something nice, come sit next to me!"