This just angers me to no end

The plaintiff does share some of the responsibility - that's why the jury found her 42% liable for her condition. However, and I believe rightfully so - the jury found R.J. Reynolds tobacco company 58% liable. From the Associated Press: "Evidence in the trial established that Reynolds had undertaken a campaign in the early 1970's to market Salems (cigarettes) to minors in order to establish a long-term customer base and had designed the cigarettes with enough nicotine above the threshold for addiction."

I'm a non-smoker. However, when tobacco companies sell a product for the express purpose of physically addicting their customers so they will continue to smoke their products - and then try to hide behind the defense of "we had warning labels - they should have known better" - it makes me furious. Remember that movie 'The Insider'? Jeffery Wigand testified that cigarettes were specifically designed as a 'delivery device for nicotine'. The smokers aren't blameless - but they are at a disadvantage. I'm glad she won.
 
Tobacco companies have marketed their product to young people -- children and teens. When I was a child, there were "candy cigarettes" -- white sticks with red ends that we'd pretend to smoke as it was a "grown up thing." Nicotine is *addicting*. It is the arguably one of the most addictive substances on Earth. One can become addicted to it, unknowingly, with just a few uses of it. Many people who have both been hooked on heroine and also smoked cigarettes have said that quitting cigarettes was harder to do than quitting heroine.

The American Heart Association website says, "Nicotine is an addictive drug. It causes changes in the brain that make people want to use it more and more. In addition, addictive drugs cause unpleasant withdrawal symptoms. The good feelings that result when an addictive drug is present — and the bad feelings when it's absent — make breaking any addiction very difficult. Nicotine addiction has historically been one of the hardest addictions to break."

I smoked for 25 years myself, so I know one can quit if one truly wants to. However, while no one is holding a gun to your head and it is a choice to start, most smokers will tell you that it is *a living hell* to continue. Your fingers turn yellow. You lose teeth. Your hair stinks. You have shortness of breath. You cough. You get winded easier than when you didn't smoke. You struggle through long airline flights as you can't wait for your next "fix" of tobacco. Some smokers lose limbs due to restricted oxygen flow. Go sit outside the hospital and see people hooked up to oxygen yet still puffing away on a cigarette. It is *not a choice* to continue to smoke. It is an addiction and I don't know any 20+ year smokers who say "Gee, this is fun. I love smoking. I wish I started smoking sooner. I hope all my kids and everyone I know starts smoking because it is so wonderful."

No. Most smokers got addicted in their youth -- most before age 21. Most before it was even legal for them to purchase tobacco. I'm not saying that I think the woman in this lawsuit should get millions of dollars, but I am saying that tobacco is so bad for people, which we now know, that it should be outlawed. I suppose there will always be a street market for it, like there is for heroine and other currently illegal drugs, but it would make it harder to hook the teens as it would be harder for them to purchase it.

Remember, too, that Coca Cola used to have cocaine in it, and other drugs used to be available to buy and now they're not because they were found to be dangerous. The only reason tobacco hasn't been outlawed is because of the strong tobacco lobby.

-Dorothy

I do realize that nicotine like many other things is addicting. No one can be addicted to something they don't try first. Whether it is nicotine, heroine, cocaine, or alcohol you can't become addicted to something until the first time you choose to inhale, inject, or otherwise consume it.

I had candy cigarettes growing up. I saw the billboards of the Marlboro man at the stadium I went to watch my team play. Many of my friends, in fact all but one, in high school smoked. I still managed to say no thank you.

When people give into marketing, whether it is cigarettes or Nike, because a commercial is cool or presents an image they are allowing some corporate PR department to think for them. To say that the pretty pictures on the TV or cool people in magazines made anyone smoke is to say people have no power to think for themselves.

I have no problem with people smoking as long as it isn't in my home or anywhere that it is against the law. I am against the police state telling people not to do something that is legal. I do, however, want those same people who decide to smoke, drink, gamble, or whatever to realize that it is only them who are deciding to do it and when the consequences of their actions are negative it is up to them to shoulder the blame and not deflect it.

That's all.
 
I'll start off by saying I am an ex-smoker, and quitting was one of the harderst things I have done. I knew all the risks everytime I lit a cigarette yet I continued to do it (which is what is meant by "ignore") because it was so much easier to do that than quit. It wasn't until I wanted to start a family that I forced myself to do what it took to quit, and it took many tries but I did it. An addiction can always be overcome, there are many forms of treatment and there will always be one that works for you, you just need to want to do it and do it bad enough to find it. It will always be your choice whether to lite that cigarette or not.

The bolded statement is where you are wrong. An addiction cannot always be overcome. If it could, do you really think there would be so many drug addicts, alcoholics or smokers? Do you really think that many of those people who are going through hell on earth because of their addictions are simply making a choice?

I tried ALL the treatments for smoking. Nothing helped except the Chantix. Dh has tried all but the Chantix. My father tried everything out there and was never able to get rid of them. Because I found a way to quit, does that make me a stronger person than dh or df? NO. It simply means that I was lucky enough to find something to help me with my addiction; something that may or may not have helped them. Is my addiction gone? No, it never will be. I fight it all the time.

You cannot base what you did on what someone else is going through. You may not have been addicted, or maybe not had as strong of an addiction.
 
There is one positive thing about this.......bad press for the tobacco industry. Even if you do not believe the lady deserved money or not, it was clearly shown in a big way how smoking affected her life....drastically. Yes, yes, were all know about cancer and everything else, but I feel that if her story causes someone to quit then something good came out of it.
 

Tobacco companies have marketed their product to young people -- children and teens. When I was a child, there were "candy cigarettes" -- white sticks with red ends that we'd pretend to smoke as it was a "grown up thing." Nicotine is *addicting*. It is the arguably one of the most addictive substances on Earth. One can become addicted to it, unknowingly, with just a few uses of it. Many people who have both been hooked on heroine and also smoked cigarettes have said that quitting cigarettes was harder to do than quitting heroine.

The American Heart Association website says, "Nicotine is an addictive drug. It causes changes in the brain that make people want to use it more and more. In addition, addictive drugs cause unpleasant withdrawal symptoms. The good feelings that result when an addictive drug is present — and the bad feelings when it's absent — make breaking any addiction very difficult. Nicotine addiction has historically been one of the hardest addictions to break."

I smoked for 25 years myself, so I know one can quit if one truly wants to. However, while no one is holding a gun to your head and it is a choice to start, most smokers will tell you that it is *a living hell* to continue. Your fingers turn yellow. You lose teeth. Your hair stinks. You have shortness of breath. You cough. You get winded easier than when you didn't smoke. You struggle through long airline flights as you can't wait for your next "fix" of tobacco. Some smokers lose limbs due to restricted oxygen flow. Go sit outside the hospital and see people hooked up to oxygen yet still puffing away on a cigarette. It is *not a choice* to continue to smoke. It is an addiction and I don't know any 20+ year smokers who say "Gee, this is fun. I love smoking. I wish I started smoking sooner. I hope all my kids and everyone I know starts smoking because it is so wonderful."

No. Most smokers got addicted in their youth -- most before age 21. Most before it was even legal for them to purchase tobacco. I'm not saying that I think the woman in this lawsuit should get millions of dollars, but I am saying that tobacco is so bad for people, which we now know, that it should be outlawed. I suppose there will always be a street market for it, like there is for heroine and other currently illegal drugs, but it would make it harder to hook the teens as it would be harder for them to purchase it.

Remember, too, that Coca Cola used to have cocaine in it, and other drugs used to be available to buy and now they're not because they were found to be dangerous. The only reason tobacco hasn't been outlawed is because of the strong tobacco lobby.

-Dorothy

My mom had those and used them...the candy cigarettes, when she was a kid. She is 56 and has never smoked a cigarette in her life.

When I was young my cousin and I used to put dry spaghetti in our mouths and act like we smoked. I have also done it with a candy cane. I can't speak for her but I know that she does not currently smoke. I don't know if she ever tried it. I can however say that I have never smoked a cigarette and I never plan to.

Some people just get too pressured from their peers. When I was growing up I saw Joe Camel and thought it was cool because it was a camel. I can see where that would motivate someone to smoke. But overall I think smoking comes from peer pressure and the wanting to be cool and fit in. Pretend smoking to act glamourous (I wanted to act like Cruela De Vil) does not always lead to smoking as an adult.

The fact is that people can and have quit smoking. It just has to do with whether you truly want to or not. If you are determined to quit you can quit, it may be a lifelong struggle but it can be done.

For this woman to win a lawsuit is outrageous but it definitely makes more sense message-wise than the stupid fast food lawsuits. If you eat McDonald's once a week as a splurge and eat sensibly and healthy the rest of the week, it is not going to kill you. Even if you ate a 500 calorie fry from McDonald's everyday and ate a healthy diet the rest of the time and had an active lifestyle, you would likely not end up obese. People don't want to take personal responsibility and it's really, really sad.

The lobby groups sicken me. Our government is supposed to be for the people not the big companies.

ETA: About outlawing tobacco: I totally agree. However, whenever I bring this up people think I'm crazy and trying to impede on people's "personal choice". When your personal choice affects those around you and contaminates the air, creates litter, etc. it becomes about more than your choice to smoke.
 
I do realize that nicotine like many other things is addicting. No one can be addicted to something they don't try first. Whether it is nicotine, heroine, cocaine, or alcohol you can't become addicted to something until the first time you choose to inhale, inject, or otherwise consume it.

I had candy cigarettes growing up. I saw the billboards of the Marlboro man at the stadium I went to watch my team play. Many of my friends, in fact all but one, in high school smoked. I still managed to say no thank you.

When people give into marketing, whether it is cigarettes or Nike, because a commercial is cool or presents an image they are allowing some corporate PR department to think for them. To say that the pretty pictures on the TV or cool people in magazines made anyone smoke is to say people have no power to think for themselves.

I have no problem with people smoking as long as it isn't in my home or anywhere that it is against the law. I am against the police state telling people not to do something that is legal. I do, however, want those same people who decide to smoke, drink, gamble, or whatever to realize that it is only them who are deciding to do it and when the consequences of their actions are negative it is up to them to shoulder the blame and not deflect it.

That's all.

ITA! People just tend to make excuses as to why they started smoking. I realize that if you start young, like those who started at 14 because of friends, then it can be more difficult to say no, but I guess I didn't hang around with kids who did that and I had enough sense to know it was a dumb choice. I was never offered a cigarette and I was never offered drugs. I didn't hang out and associate with people who did that and if I did I didn't know it. If I was asked I would have said no. Cigarettes were always seen as bad but if I wanted to "pretend" as a child no one cared. I think the people who get so uptight about kids having fake cigarettes are the ones whose kids are more likely to smoke because it is more of a novelty.

I don't really feel sorry for people who start smoking and claim it's because they had friends who did it, they wanted to fit in, they wanted to get smoke breaks at work, or it was advertising. People really need to be their own person!
 
People just tend to make excuses as to why they started smoking. I realize that if you start young, like those who started at 14 because of friends, then it can be more difficult to say no, but I guess I didn't hang around with kids who did that and I had enough sense to know it was a dumb choice. I was never offered a cigarette and I was never offered drugs. I didn't hang out and associate with people who did that and if I did I didn't know it. If I was asked I would have said no. Cigarettes were always seen as bad but if I wanted to "pretend" as a child no one cared. I think the people who get so uptight about kids having fake cigarettes are the ones whose kids are more likely to smoke because it is more of a novelty.

I don't really feel sorry for people who start smoking and claim it's because they had friends who did it, they wanted to fit in, they wanted to get smoke breaks at work, or it was advertising. People really need to be their own person!

Some of us grew up in households where both parents smoked. Some of us had uncles, aunts, older siblings, grandparents and neighbors who smoked. For my family, it was absolutely the norm to smoke and all four of my siblings and I were smokers by the time we were each 16 years old. I am the one who mentioned the candy cigarettes, and kids really did "pretend" to smoke them as they were imitating their parents, or other adults they saw on TV, or the Marlboro man in the TV ads, billboards and magazines. Cigarettes are no longer allowed to be advertised on TV, radio and billboards (I think -- I haven't seen a billboard for cigs that I can recall), but honestly when I was little, the ads were everywhere. I still remember the slogans I heard on TV: "Come to where the flavor is. Come to Marlboro country." "Winston tastes good like a cigarette should."

When I grew up, cigarettes and cigarette advertising where everywhere. You could smoke on airplanes, submarines, movie theaters, shopping malls, restaurants, on buses, etc. Few concessions were made for non-smokers, too. Things have sure changed since then, thankfully! So while I do agree that we each need to be our own selves, I also want you to be aware that there are many, many smokers who sort of fell into smoking without really meaning to. You wrote that "cigarettes were always seen as bad." No, they weren't. Perhaps you always saw them as bad, but even after the Surgeon General reported they were dangerous, many people still saw them as "cool" or in some way desirable. If the adults in your life had smoked, you also may have seen them differently. The thing about them is that it doesn't take long to get addicted to nicotine. I am glad you never smoked and I am glad that things have changed so that in some cities, you can't smoke anywhere in public. But this was not the case when I grew up.

I do agree that people shouldn't make excuses about why they smoke. I think that if you truly want to break free of it, you have to admit you're addicted -- you're a drug addict, really, as nicotine is a drug -- and making excuses doesn't get you to quit smoking. However, as I said originally, I think that, because there is absolutely no beneficial aspect to tobacco, it should be outlawed. Again, if I were to first invent cigarettes today and seek FDA approval, I'd be denied as they are inherently bad for human health.

Tobacco companies to this day try to advertise and market to young people because they know if they can "hook" a kid (far easier than marketing it to the over-30 group -- I cannot name even one person I know who started smoking at 30 or older), that kid will be addicted and they got themselves a customer for decades to come. We all have done stupid things as teens and young adults -- smoking is just one of the dumb things people that age have been known to do. But while the teen who does the dumb thing of waiting till the last minute to cram for his final exam will likely grow into an adult who learns to improve his time management skills, a teen who does the dumb thing of smoking can become physically addicted to nicotine and unwittingly make it part of his life for the next three or four decades.

We as a society should make it much harder for kids to smoke, and one way to do that would be to outlaw tobacco. Another way to do it is to make it unprofitable for people in the tobacco industry. If they stop making money, as I said before, they will stop making cigarettes.

-Dorothy
 
This reminds me of that case about some guy suing fast food companies because they made him fat.

Because Burger King held a gun to his head saying he HAD to eat a Whopper... or else. :rolleyes: ;)

It's ridiculous.
 
I don't think the public will have to pay this, there's no reason for it to come out of public funds. I noticed when I was sitting at a light tonight next to a gas station that they had a sign for a pack of cigs for $5.85! Yikes! So the tobacco industry has plenty to pay it. I doubt she will see it anytime soon, this will be appealed.

I was in the city last night and heard someone pay $11 for a pack of Marlboro Lights.:scared1:
Like PP said, the jury should be ashamed over the verdict. Just awful-- she made a poor decision, she must live with the consequences. Now, I don't think every person who chooses to smoke is "stupid" or constantly makes poor choices, but choosing to smoke is a VERY bad decision. As we are taught from childhood-- bad decisions lead to consequences than are no fault but our own!
 

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