Thinking of buying RIV direct, help me decide!

Google mapping it, It will be roughly 27 minutes from the closest building with DVC rooms. DHS is about 22 from the entrance to BC closest to BCV if you cut through BW.

I think people will generally not walk from Poly when the sun is out. But leaving MK after fireworks I think it makes a ton of sense.
We've done that exact thing from HS to the Swan on multiple trips. It's much quicker just to suck it up and walk instead of waiting for a boat or a bus. You end up spending less time on your feet by the end of it.
 
They always say they are selling well. I also agree with that lol. There's also likely somewhat of a backlog of people that want to buy RIV and now can. How it sells in August should be an interesting number that will likely determine promotions for the end of september when they end. I guess there are no sales agents for DVC in the parks yet either, I saw in a blog the booths are empty. So that can't help. I don't see post pandemic numbers for even close for a long time. I can't seem them being greater than 30% of post pandemic sales numbers.

If there was a lot of pent up demand, why did they go with such generous incentives? Doesn't compute.
I still think that the incentives will increase because people aren't going to the parks so that cuts down on direct sales.
 
If there was a lot of pent up demand, why did they go with such generous incentives? Doesn't compute.
I still think that the incentives will increase because people aren't going to the parks so that cuts down on direct sales.
The incentives aren't that much larger than before. Besides when I say pent up demand I don't mean like before covid. I expect maybe 25% of before covid monthly sales maybe for 1 month then it falls flat again. lol. Sorry misspoke on pent up demand. DVC direct sales are going to be garbage for a while. Especially with no DVC sales agents in the parks and like 17 out of 132 agents back to work so far someone mentioned before.
 
The incentives aren't that much larger than before.
Right I haven't noticed a big difference in the incentives. I thought after reopening there would be a big incentive to get sales moving, I was thinking we might add on another FW if that happened but it's more or less the same as when we bought in Jan/Feb. Might add on resale instead
 

The skyliner is better than the Monorail but the view of MK is superior to the non-view of RIV. But POLY/GF have boat transportation to MK (so that gives options). Now with walking trails opening soon at POLY/GF they join the other walkable resorts (although maybe at the end of the list because of a slightly longer walk but it is MK.... lol).

As far as walking to non-parks then something like SSR should get a massive boost because you have Downtown Disney and a huge grounds to explore. I will say RIV being closer to Epcot gets a boost for meandering afternoons since you can just sit and walk around the WS so easily.

Personally I think the view from RIV is great and I don't think the view of MK is superior. I like seeing the Skyliner go by and how you can see so much of WDW from the upper floors.

I definitely love SSR for walking the grounds as well as walking access to DS. It's why I prefer it to AKV especially at double stroller age, since at least there's a good amount of stuff we can get to just by walking.
 
The incentives aren't that much larger than before. Besides when I say pent up demand I don't mean like before covid. I expect maybe 25% of before covid monthly sales maybe for 1 month then it falls flat again. lol. Sorry misspoke on pent up demand. DVC direct sales are going to be garbage for a while. Especially with no DVC sales agents in the parks and like 17 out of 132 agents back to work so far someone mentioned before.

Right I haven't noticed a big difference in the incentives. I thought after reopening there would be a big incentive to get sales moving, I was thinking we might add on another FW if that happened but it's more or less the same as when we bought in Jan/Feb. Might add on resale instead

I could be wrong but I don't think you'll find better direct pricing in the last 3 years.
 
I could be wrong but I don't think you'll find better direct pricing in the last 3 years.
I think the pricing is very good for RIV direct vs other DVC direct, but it seems to be within $5 pp of what I got in late Jan for 250 pts. That's not nothing, I think the incentives right now are great, but to add on direct I would need more incentive. If I add on this fall it would be resale
 
You will love the resort and I mean that. People are just in different mindsets.

Glad they could get you and bank you the 2019 points.

We have already stayed once and loved it. Didn’t really expect to but we certainly did.

if you have a stroller, being able to get to two parks without folding it is pretty mind blowing 🤣
 
Are you kidding!? Yes you love it. Yes the rooms are beautiful. Yes it’s close to Parks. But the restrictions are so limiting if you have to sell it you will be worried through your whole ownership! This is not good. Do not buy there in my humble opinion. We bought thinking we would never sell. Ha! Life happens and you want to change things. Or not. Why put yourself in that position? If you want to but direct, buy at VGF or CCV or any of the others direct, and trade into RIV at the 7 month window if you have to stay there. I love RIV but I would never buy there, and I own many resorts.
 
Are you kidding!? Yes you love it. Yes the rooms are beautiful. Yes it’s close to Parks. But the restrictions are so limiting if you have to sell it you will be worried through your whole ownership! This is not good. Do not buy there in my humble opinion. We bought thinking we would never sell. Ha! Life happens and you want to change things. Or not. Why put yourself in that position? If you want to but direct, buy at VGF or CCV or any of the others direct, and trade into RIV at the 7 month window if you have to stay there. I love RIV but I would never buy there, and I own many resorts.
Every dvc resort has its bad points trust me. Ssr. Huge and spread out, okw huge poor food court, blt small studios and modern theming, ccv hard to get studios and inflated points from cabins, 2042 resorts expire in 22 years, vgf hard to get studios and only one building, poly only studios, vgc expensive and owners pretty much only stay there, aulani high dues and far away leaving only sleep around points for most, etc etc etc. Case in point, Riviera is cheap direct, so even if you bought ssr, okw, or akv direct ur taking a big hit if you resell, likely all they way down to 90-120$ per point. So Riviera isnt much different than buying ssr okw or akv plus you get till 2070 when it expires instead of 2054 or 2057. There’s a dvc resort for everyone, dont be mean to those that like certain home resorts.
 
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Are you kidding!? Yes you love it. Yes the rooms are beautiful. Yes it’s close to Parks. But the restrictions are so limiting if you have to sell it you will be worried through your whole ownership! This is not good. Do not buy there in my humble opinion. We bought thinking we would never sell. Ha! Life happens and you want to change things. Or not. Why put yourself in that position? If you want to but direct, buy at VGF or CCV or any of the others direct, and trade into RIV at the 7 month window if you have to stay there. I love RIV but I would never buy there, and I own many resorts.
I approached these real and valid reservations about purchasing at RIV (except the worrying throughout the entire ownership, I haven't experienced that) with the following mentality: I'm not buying to be selling anytime soon (or at all). Of course, as you say, life happens. But I paid cash and so just need to worry about MF. If I'm at a point where MF are unaffordable and that's the reason I need to sell one of the contracts, then my worries will be much, much greater than losing some money on the initial buy-in. Also it's not like it's a complete loss--you would still make up a significant portion of the initial investment.

I'm not trying to diminish your points, and I understand why you wouldn't buy there because of restrictions. But it's also fair to note that for others (like me) RIV offered enough to make the decision make sense for their situations. Also, resale restrictions are probably going to be implemented in any new resorts going forward, so hopefully people don't stop buying only based on that...
 
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Are you kidding!? Yes you love it. Yes the rooms are beautiful. Yes it’s close to Parks. But the restrictions are so limiting if you have to sell it you will be worried through your whole ownership! This is not good. Do not buy there in my humble opinion. We bought thinking we would never sell. Ha! Life happens and you want to change things. Or not. Why put yourself in that position? If you want to but direct, buy at VGF or CCV or any of the others direct, and trade into RIV at the 7 month window if you have to stay there. I love RIV but I would never buy there, and I own many resorts.

The thing is... everyone is different. While you may worry about the restrictions throughout your whole ownership, I haven't worried about it at all. I own many resorts too (3 of which are the same as yours), and I still wanted to buy RIV. I think some of the things that are attractive about RIV just may not apply to everyone. For example, if you're older, you may not care about or want a 50 year contract. But we're in our 30s with young kids and having our longest contracts as direct 50 year contracts made sense to us. Also, some people are really concerned about the cost and risk of selling. For us, we could afford it and we have other points we could sell if we really needed to anyway. I can understand why you may never buy there, but I'm just not worried about the same things you are. Some people may love luxury cars, designer clothing, expensive wine... I'm not into any of that. We all just have different priorities and life circumstances and that's okay.
 
But the restrictions are so limiting if you have to sell it you will be worried through your whole ownership! This is not good.

The resale restriction will be arbitraged.
Companies like David's will allow RIV resale owners to trade their RIV points for L14 points and resale L14 owners will be able to trade their points for RIV points. All for a fee, of course.
I even expect to see trades on this and other forums between those that have RIV points and those that can't stay there.
This isn't nearly as big an issue as it first appears.

I'm not a fan of buying retail, but if they price it low enough, I could see buying into RIV.
 
The resale restriction will be arbitraged.
Companies like David's will allow RIV resale owners to trade their RIV points for L14 points and resale L14 owners will be able to trade their points for RIV points. All for a fee, of course.
I even expect to see trades on this and other forums between those that have RIV points and those that can't stay there.
This isn't nearly as big an issue as it first appears.

I'm not a fan of buying retail, but if they price it low enough, I could see buying into RIV.
I could also see disney selling an upgrade fee to make a Resale Riv Contract able to stay at the rest of the resorts. Say for $50 a point. This helps disney recoup the lost cash of resale sales.
 
While you may worry about the restrictions throughout your whole ownership,

I will just say part of the roadblock when I go through the idea of buying RIV is that my BWV 150 Points can not be used there. In addition any points we ever buy in the future resale can also not be used there.

Being forced to do a split stay is not ideal and doing the whole every other year thing might end up being more of risk as its pointed out this year with people losing points.

For me the restrictions actually put more obstacles to buying. I typically see people not worry when they have tons of points but I think its missed by the first time DVC purchasers who essentially will lock themselves in to buying direct for a 25-35% markup (possibly even more).
 















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