The VGF 2 pricing thread

[Epcot Forever Forever]

So now points are out when does Disney announce pricing. I’d assume since points are set they must be planning something soon

I would imagine we will have pricing early in 2022. Potentially very early.

 

[DVCsloth]

Just what I didn't want to see. VGF2 same as VGF 1 and really high TPV.

 

[nuhusky123]

Yeah I’d expect news sooner than later now

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

I think it’s weird that a Contemporary Resort view sorry “theme park” view costs extra points.

 

[nuhusky123]

I think it’s weird that a Contemporary Resort view sorry “theme park” view costs extra points. View attachment 627829

im not surprised but I wouldn’t pay for it. I would prefer to save my points

the only view worth paying for is savanna at akl

 

[nuhusky123]

from another thread but the very last line of 2022 point chart in fine print

The new Resort Studio accommodations will be available for booking in Spring 2022.

this means sale will start sooner than later

 

[Lorana]

I think it's great that they are the same point requirement as regular studios. There are pros and cons to each so that makes sense. Hoping for 7 month availability!! lol

I think they are priced that way for VGF2 sales; keeping them the same is actually the easy way of not ruffling feathers in either direction.

But they ARE separate booking categories, and I recall how DVC positioned THVs at SSR during sales, and then shifted the point charts soon as they sold out. It'll be interesting to see if they remain the same, or if we'll see some big point chart changes once it sells out.

 

[Royal Consort]

Our trip in Nov at VGF now costs 19 more points a week. Ouch that hurts.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I think they are priced that way for VGF2 sales; keeping them the same is actually the easy way of not ruffling feathers in either direction.

But they ARE separate booking categories, and I recall how DVC positioned THVs at SSR during sales, and then shifted the point charts soon as they sold out. It'll be interesting to see if they remain the same, or if we'll see some big point chart changes once it sells out.

The same thing crossed my mind about point reallocations which gets into the POS and if they are allowed to shift points across room types or not. (setting aside that they have which is different than if they could/should have). I hope the new building is very popular otherwise there will be a stink if they start shifting points off of it to the existing building.

 

[Lorana]

The same thing crossed my mind about point reallocations which gets into the POS and if they are allowed to shift points across room types or not. (setting aside that they have which is different than if they could/should have). I hope the new building is very popular otherwise there will be a stink if they start shifting points off of it to the existing building.

I am in the camp of "no, they are not allowed to." I'd have to look it up, but the POS has language around "the total number of Home Resort Vacation Points existing within a given Unit may not be increased or decreased because of any reallocation." I'll find the exact word, but the POS strongly implies they cannot shift points between unit types (different views within the same unit type, yes). I just think they will try again and see if they can get away with it, since they've done so in the past.

 

[hhisc16]

2022 VGF chart was redone as well...

 

[Sandisw]

I am in the camp of "no, they are not allowed to." I'd have to look it up, but the POS has language around "the total number of Home Resort Vacation Points existing within a given Unit may not be increased or decreased because of any reallocation." I'll find the exact word, but the POS strongly implies they cannot shift points between unit types (different views within the same unit type, yes). I just think they will try again and see if they can get away with it, since they've done so in the past.

Units, though, are defined differently than vacation home. So, in theory, they can definitely shift when a unit consistent of more than one room type. However, there is debate if that is based on sales vs point charts for stays and total for the resort.

Some believe that it can't happen that way and some feel its about the totals. I have mentioned I have not done enough research on it to have a strong opinion, but my initial though is they can use total resort points for stays at the resort. But, these will be different units from the original building so that adds another layer of complexity to the situation and mimics what happened with the treehouses.

 

[JETSDAD]

From what I have read, points can be moved around within a Unit (this may consist of multiple Vacation Homes or not depending on the Unit) but the total points within the Unit must remain the same. So with the VGF expansion, they really wouldn't be able to move anything around between different size units other than what they can already do for the existing resort. If Units in the new building contain different view categories (which I doubt) then they could potentially move points around between the views but otherwise they should only be able to move points around within the given Units. This is why I also wouldn't be concerned as a Poly owner about Bungalow points somehow being shifted over to Studios because I believe that each Bungalow is its own Unit (I would have to double check that on the Condo drawings but I think that's what I recall seeing).

 

[RoseGold]

The point chart released yesterday surprised me. Equal to existing studios plus a new theme park view with a slight surcharge!

This is an excellent product at a reasonable chart. Looks like we are on track for $275 IMO. Maybe higher. DVC can sell the Jiminy out of this.

 

[davidl81]

The point chart released yesterday surprised me. Equal to existing studios plus a new theme park view with a slight surcharge!

This is an excellent product at a reasonable chart. Looks like we are on track for $275 IMO. Maybe higher. DVC can sell the Jiminy out of this.

What on earth makes you think $275pp is in the realm of reality when the other active resorts are priced at $201pp with various levels of discounts on top of that? All the while the sales at those resorts has been fairly poor over the past year. It’s not like they are selling RIV like hot cakes at $201, and sure VGF will be more desirable, but to price it at a 37% premium (just in base pricing) is something DVC has never ever done in its history.

 

[RoseGold]

What on earth makes you think $275pp is in the realm of reality when the other active resorts are priced at $201pp with various levels of discounts on top of that?

Resale is holding in the 180-190, and resale is the market speaking. Disney has always held its 70-ish point spread. Add a little to take off for incentives, and here we are at $275.

If resale jumps, which it might with this awesome chart, pricing could go even higher. Resale in the next few months will be voting with your wallet.

 

[nuhusky123]

Resale really will have zero bearing on direct for a sold out resort

resale will plummet once direct sales go on, right now there is no supply so price can be high

 

[RoseGold]

Resale really will have zero bearing on direct for a sold out resort

resale will plummet once direct sales go on, right now there is no supply so price can be high

VGF won't be sold out anymore. Of course resale impacts value. Resale is market value.

Right now, there's plenty of supply, more than when I bought in summer 2020. There's no resale firesale on VGF, and I don't see why there would be with this awesome chart. This is great news for VGF. I expected DVC to pump up this chart, I was worried Disney was building a bunch of tiny bungalows. I was pleasantly surprised, and others might be as well. The market will speak for itself in the next few months.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Units, though, are defined differently than vacation home. So, in theory, they can definitely shift when a unit consistent of more than one room type. However, there is debate if that is based on sales vs point charts for stays and total for the resort.

Some believe that it can't happen that way and some feel its about the totals. I have mentioned I have not done enough research on it to have a strong opinion, but my initial though is they can use total resort points for stays at the resort. But, these will be different units from the original building so that adds another layer of complexity to the situation and mimics what happened with the treehouses.

Units have tended to vary a lot though in declarations which means no reallocation between unit sizes could be done. So it has to go back to a base of actual villa size unit which was outlined in sales for years and years as the basis. As we've seen from some long time members it was even written out that way in sales material.

 

[Sandisw]

Resale is holding in the 180-190, and resale is the market speaking. Disney has always held its 70-ish point spread. Add a little to take off for incentives, and here we are at $275.

If resale jumps, which it might with this awesome chart, pricing could go even higher. Resale in the next few months will be voting with your wallet.

Sorry, but if Disney decides to price the new points at $220, those resale prices will take a dive. There has been no evidence, ever, that DVD uses resale prices to decide on new pricing for new rooms. They have to sell a lot of new points...that is different than holding a small percentage of points against resale value and keeping the spread.

Obviously, neither one of us knows what will happen, but normal DVD practices, the fact that they will be selling other resorts, does not support the notion they will keep this that high to start.