The Sillys Journey into the Heart of Dorkness (new 12/15 - p. 23 criminy crackerswog)

Second I somehow got distracted by compulsively arguing with the occasional remarkably disturbingly unreflective people that populate some corners of the internet on a different board.

This sounds like a story I'd love to hear!

It follows from this that the secret to remaining young is to drive really really fast.

Thanks. I needed another excuse.

At that point I pulled out my Pal-Socrates™. This is a very cool Disney item that you might not know about. The Pal Mickey ™ is something that is easier to find, and the Pal-Socrates™ is very similar. But while the Pal Mickey ™ talks about Disney stuff for the average tourist, Pal-Socrates™ talks about philosophical dimensions of the parks.

:rotfl2: :rotfl2:

I'm sure there's more funny stuff I should be highlighting, but the thing with your reports is that I have to read them about five times to fully appreciate all of the more subtle humorous nuances. You have a distinct style of writing that sets you apart. And that's a good thing. Looking forward to the promised upcoming installments. popcorn::
 
Pal-Mater is my kids favorite! (red-neck reference, dont overthink)

Hey, I'm happy to report I understood 20% of this latest entry!

:headache: I need a tylenol now.
 
Backstage_Gal said:
Haley, you are a SAINT!
Is that saying something about me that isn't good?
klmall said:
I missed a TV show because I got caught up in reading this thread.
Well the good news is that you probably won't miss another one for a while, since I have decided to adopt a terse more Hemingwayish style from now on. Short simple sentences without extra florid prose adorning them with needless adjectives, descriptiveness, meanderings, digressions, or wordiness. The bad news is that I will probably fall off the Hemingway wagon in about one sentence since I just can't do that type of thing for long. I can't eschew verbosity no matter how often I repeat that mantra to myself.
TwinkieMama said:
I did see it. I seriously thinking of comparing my own next trip report to a collection of works by George Lucas... do you think I can pull it off?
That would be totally awesome, but there are two critical things to keep in mind. One - No Ewoks. Two - No Jar-Jar. Did you know I actually have a Star Wars Jar-Jar action figure hung by a Cat-5e hangman's noose outside my cube at work? It's true.
TwinkieMama said:
We just like to order things that are not actually on the menu and see what they will bring out... or we did before-children. Sigh.
Yes we used to be interesting at one time too. Now we are old and dull. And slow. And meandering. And verbose. I kind of like being older. I kid myself that I am becoming wiser, despite empirical data suggesting the contrary.
TwinkieMama said:
Pal-Hegel is available on ebay however.
Gyuuuuh. Ayuuuughh. Pal-Hegel. Just think about what that would sound like. "The dialectics of the internal spirit of order conflicting with the inherent disorder of the ghosts in the Haunted Mansion points to the Spirit (Geist) of the creative powers of Disney exhibiting a transcendental unity of immediacy and mediation generating the recognition of the order within the order, the self-related Spirit (Geist) of Disney within the Spirit (Geist) of Disney pulling the park's otherness bringing the unity of the opposing internalities into a new and higher order of subject self-relation founded in the determinateness of Being, an order only previously seen in the Prussian State, that highest order of Being. The Being that is the State as the will of the Spirit (Geist) in its highest unfolding." and so on. Also I bet it would have an off button, but when you pressed it it only raised the volume and made Pal-Hegel angry that you tried to interrupt the dialectic. The only things more horrific that I could think of would be a Pal-Heiddeger or a Pal-Nietzsche. Pal-Nietzsche - that truly strikes terror in my heart. Pal-Heiddeger would be sort of bearable on the one hand since you would have no idea what he was saying ever, but in the back of your mind you would know that he was a Nazi apologist and hate him assuming that whatever he was babbling on about was some kind of inscrutable incantation of evil. Okay there are some things even more horrible than that that come to mind, but I do not want to pollute the beautiful minds here with even the horror of the idea of Pal-(Censored).
Kay7979 said:
This sounds like a story I'd love to hear!
Oh, it really is something you must be deeply grateful to never see. So much so that I must stop speaking of it even now.
Kay7979 said:
You have a distinct style of writing that sets you apart.
I am afraid that I do have a distinctness, and it does cause me to be set apart in places, but not always in a good way. Some people seem to just back away slowly.
UtahMama said:
Hey, I'm happy to report I understood 20% of this latest entry!
That's better than me. I was running at 18%, but hoping people wouldn't notice I didn't know what I was saying.
 

Blah blah blah... Hegel... Geist... Heiddeger... Blah blah blah.

So H. just read that last comment and said that out of my last four readers I probably lost two. She also said that Part 11 will drive away the rest, and that she can't even comment on it because "what is she supposed to say?" So maybe I will just post Part 11 tomorrow with no quotes... I will say that part 12 is where Sophie's notebook comes in, so both of you should take heart, because that's where things begin to push the envelope of awesome.
 
Well, as one of your "last two readers" I look forward to your next segment. :rotfl2: It's OK to pare down your circuitous ramblings just a tad, :teacher: but don't change your writing style too much. I enjoy it just the way it is. :)
 
Trip Report Section 11. In which this one goes to eleven.

First off, I have re-read this segment, and I pre-apologize to both of my remaining readers. H. read this segment and simply said that there was no way to comment on it, so don't look for her comments. I will add this consoling note: Segment 12 holds the content's of Sophie's notebook, which are quite delightful to read.

Second, dear friends, it pains me to say this, but I am afraid that a beloved joke is finally passing away. The joke is Smurfiness. In the ICU, the Joke was monitoring as "milked" on the EHG, the Electroenhumorgram. It won't be long. It is at times like this that the Kubler Ross five stages of Joke Grief appear.

As an example let us look at a deceased joke, "Whassup." At one point among its fans this joke had great power. Simply uttering this simple phrase could cause others to spontaneously break out into a similar outbursts, magnifying the effect. But like any other SuperBowl Commercial superstar joke, the VH1 special on the nightmare descent into madness and self destruction was not far behind. Especially among a certain demographic of SuperBowl watchers, this joke was pure power. Then as with all life, it had to end, and as with so many brilliant shining jokes, it died young. One day, one utters the joke, and there is no echoing whatever, just blank stares. The joke is dead.

First one passes through denial. Maybe they didn't hear? Maybe they just haven't heard the joke before? People in this phase are difficult to be around, bandying about their unfunny joke as though it were still alive. Occasionally you will see someone trapped in this phase still throwing out the utterly dead "All Your Base" joke in a crowded bar to uncomprehending stares, or pulling out a MasterCard "priceless" parody.

Then one passes to anger. Why don't they find the joke funny? Why did so many have to overuse the joke so that finally its life was sapped from it? Aren't they in some way responsible for its death? Should they be punished somehow?

Then the bargaining begins. Maybe the joke would be funny again if I changed the timing. Maybe if I say it louder. Maybe something, anything, can change things, bring back the funny. But alas, nothing will return the joke to life. Nothing.

Thus the next phase, depression, sets in. Things just aren't as good as they were back when the joke was alive, perhaps there is some reason to blame oneself for the death of the joke? Is it all my fault? There's so much I could have done differently, couldn't I have saved the joke?

But finally one reaches the final phase, acceptance, and one knows that the joke is gone, although once one has seen it a few times, one also knows that if one keeps it in one's memories, that in ten years the joke will have a new life when it is referred to ironically.

And thus, we will be gently retiring Smurfiness before we look like a sad hanger on. But I am still in phase one at this point, so don't expect it to go away too soon.

I like to write about philosophical matters in trip reports, generally preferring the ancient and classical to the modern and critical/skeptical, but I do think that the modern world is a wonderful thing, and that there are many worth knowing in it, even if thinking about the incredible genius found classical Athens makes me want to lie on a sofa and cry sometimes at what we have lost. So I want to mention a great American philosopher who is not so well know as a philosopher, Irving Berlin. The day after Irving Berlin died, Isaac Stern went on the Today Show to talk about him. The host asked about the secret of Berlin's success. As a musician Berlin was very mediocre. He could only play in one key:C, so to transpose to other keys a special piano was built for him that could change keys by pulling levers. Yet somehow he became one of the most successful songwriters of the 20th century. Although he never learned to read music beyond a rudimentary level, he composed over 3,000 songs, many of which, including "God Bless America", "White Christmas", "Alexander's Ragtime Band", and "There's No Business Like Show Business," left an indelible mark on American music and culture. He produced 17 film scores and 21 Broadway scores, in addition to his individual songs. How did Stern account for the discrepancy between his musical talent and his achievements?

Stern's answer was that Berlin's philosophy of life was simple. He saw life as composed of a few basic elements: life and death, loneliness and love, hope and defeat - not many more. In making our way through these givens, affection is better than complaint, hope more viable than despair, kindness nobler than its opposite. That was about it. Because Berlin lived those platitudes implicitly, he helped people cut through the ambiguities and complexities of a confusing century.

Still neither the death of a beloved joke, nor the death of a beloved American songwriter/philosopher should leave us in sadness. Life is something wonderful, it's oddness leads to an endless birth of new jokes, and so long as we do embrace life, love, hope, and kindness, we will find that the spirit of Mr. Berlin lives on, just as a dead joke hangs with us, still bringing a wondrous irony to us when used sparingly.

Dear reader, in the last trip report segment, I briefly discussed Hegel, Deconstructing Chinese menus, and other things that verge on the sort of items one really doesn't see typically in trip reports. But I think that that last bit that I wrote about the spirit of dead jokes and Irving Berlin strikes me as the likely candidate for the strangest thing I have spent time writing to defer dealing with finding my notebook, which was briefly misplaced. Happily the return of the notebook has allowed me to actually get to the point. In general my little digressions were typically related to the trip description, even if in a peculiarly forced way. With this one will things probably be peculiarly forced again, FYI.

On a separate but not unrelated note, I needed to account for my distinctly unscientific beginning to this report segment. You might have noted that I was gone for a while. I was waging a long and distracting argument elsewhere between idealism and materialism, a battle over the question of whether empirical science can allow for an account of the whole of human existence and experience. I think that the various segments of this report show which side of that debate I was on. For at the root of that question is whether one really should hold the beautiful and wonderful values that Mr. Berlin held, or whether one would decide that reality is quite a different ultimately more barren and sterile place than that. And those are principle by which one guide's one's life whether one knows it or not, so it's really an important thing to occasionally think about and blather on about in trip reports.

I think that I won the argument, and one can simply look at the reports prior to our attempt at approaching the report purely scientifically to see that there are elements of the world that are both purely qualitative, but which are not purely subjective, but can be communicated, shared, and understood by all. If those elements do not admit of a quantitative description, but are qualities that are central to life, then science as science simply cannot comment on them. The amazingness of Pirates of the Caribbean is seen by all, and in general the nature of DisneyWorld is such that it really draws one in to the degree that it does try to communicate amazing things. Since I like these qualities, I am afraid that I am hanging up the mantle as a tripreportologist/intinerariologist, and proceeding in my more traditional approach.

And so picking up where we left off last time, we were towards the end of our day at Epcot. Before H. left to meet up with her colleagues, she had repeatedly instructed Mr. Silly to be at the Coral Reef at one specific time (though now I can't recall the time for sure, I think it was around 6. The first time that we went to Disney World, one of the things that I was deeply impressed by was the Coral Reef. I enjoyed the Living Seas a great deal since I like to watch fish. Then when we left there and we went to that oh so very cool restaurant that had a full wall of excellent aquarium viewing, including sharks, rays, and sea turtles occasionally swimming by. And the food was excellent too.

So Max and Sophie and I picked up from our last ride and happily marched forth to the Coral Reef to meet H. and her colleagues. Max and Sophie like the restaurant too. They were deeply impressed by drinks with light-up cubes in them.

We arrived, but somehow H. was not there while some of H.'s colleagues were. Thus Max, Sophie, and I hung out with (Sher., Grammy, and Horsie (and one other wonderful person who I think was YAK, but my memory is fried and I didn't take notes and I forgot to ask H. and now it's too late since I am about to hit submit)). Horsie kindly lent me her cell, and I called H. who was on her way more or less, and would be there in about 20 minutes. So I hung out and talked a bit to the Maelstromers. Eventually H. arrived. We had booked separately from the Maelstromers, so we looked down longingly at their unltra-cool seat as we sat down one of the higher tiers. Our table was not ideal for ogling fish, but still it was pretty good. I got the vegetarian entree, which was really amazingly good, as was the Crème brûlée.
 
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We arrived, but somehow H. was not there while some of H.'s colleagues were. Thus Max, Sophie, and I hung out with (Sher., Grammy, and Horsie (and one other wonderful person who I think was YAK, but my memory is fried and I didn't take notes and I forgot to ask H. and now it's too late since I am about to hit submit)).
OK, H. checked photos and we have verified that it indeed was YAK. Sher's friend whose name I can't recall was also there. But Grammy was not there. At this point, were there no photos or notebook entries, I would not be certain that I actually ate there at all. And the notebook entries would even be suspect.

I must at this point mention that my recall is not super great, and I am not really a people person, so I never remember names. I even forget the kid's names sometimes. I don't even bother to name my fish as I know that their names will be forgotten.I can't even say I never forget a face, since I am not sure about that. In the past people I did not recognize have walked up to me and acted like they knew. So I faked it as best I could. Though since I am somehow like a lot of other people that other people know, and look very average it might be their mistake... I am pretty much just some random guy.

H. noted that we don't really have enough photos, and that we should go back. I replied that I am not that into photos, and so I think we should not go. She suggested that she go without me. I explained that this would not go over well, as the I didn't think the kids would like staying at the house with me while she went to DW, and I knew they would miss me terribly if they went without me.

I'm not sure why I added those last details, TFI, but there they are.

Here's the proof BTW, though since I am not in the image, it's not rock solid proof:

Picture002-5.jpg
 
At this point, were there no photos or notebook entries, I would not be certain that I actually ate there at all. And the notebook entries would even be suspect.

:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

This is classic Mr. Silly.

As for Smurfiness, I can only say R.I.P. as it was not consistent with your writing style, although I am currently at a loss to arrive at a better word in its place. :rotfl:

I would enjoy whatever you wrote, whether relevant to your report or not. Perhaps you will favor us with a semi-scientific discourse describing what you discovered while examining the interior of the giant troll's nasal cavity shown in your photo.
 
Well, as it turns out I do have a little detail to add about the Coral Reef. It was yummylicious. I hade the Wave and it was pure chocolate heaven. If it were a tiny bt bigger, that would be ok with me.

Also we waited for frickin (nof) ever to get seated and the waiting area is crappy. Not enough space and nothing to distract you or your kids with.

We waited a looong time for our table. We might have waited less long if Mr Silly had checked in when he got there (doh!). Next time I will give him more explicit directions. In writing. But really Sheridac could have clued him in.

After dinner I took off with Sheridac, Horsegirl, Grammyof2, and B (from the photo above) for Ladies night.

This was one of the big meet events. It had started as a ladies night and I continue to call it that, even if it became more of a general meet. We rode the Monorail over, got off at the TTC and walked on a long and winding path to the pool. I changed shoes on the way :cool1:

I don't remember everything we talked about on the way over, although the now infamous speedo story was related to me. What I remember most was laughing. Were we alone in our car? I got more, later.
 
Well, as it turns out I do have a little detail to add about the Coral Reef.

Also we waited for frickin (nof) ever to get seated and the waiting area is crappy. Not enough space and nothing to distract you or your kids with.

You have just summed up why I will never go to the Coral Reef again. Next time try the Flying Fish on the Boardwalk -- more expensive, but definitely worth it.
 
You did almost lose me with all the Hegel stuff, but only cuz I've never heard of him.
But I kept on going cuz you're worth it.
Also, what is an "all your base" joke? I don't know that one.
Do they have an Aquarium restaurant where you live?
Better food than Coral reef and better views of the fishes.
Plus the restaurant itself is pretty - or at least the one here in Nashville is.
I tried Coral Reef on my trip in September, but I probably won't bother again.

In other news:
A TWINKIE TRIP REPORT???????????????????
WHERE?
WHEN?
NOW?
PLEASE?
I love a twinkie report.
There's so much we need to know -
like where those three extra kids came from!
And if they insist on making cheerios into manna, what crazy hijinks will happen at the world?!?!?!?!?!
 
Also, what is an "all your base" joke? I don't know that one.

There was an old Nintendo game called "Zero Wing" with an incredibly bad translation from Japanese which included the phrase "All your base are belong to us." A few years back a bunch of people on a forum made silly photoshops using bits of the translation many of which were very funny. Someone made a flash movie on the internet collecting them and adding a soundtrack that took off and was very popular:

http://allyourbase.planettribes.gamespy.com/video1_view.shtml

At one point virtually every tech nerd on the planet was making "all your base" jokes.
 
Hi!

I've been reading a bunch of trip reports, but rarely feel un-shy (is that a word? Probably not, but it should be...) enough to comment. I just have to say that I love your report. It makes me feel like a grown-up. :)

I recently proofread my bestest friend's dissertation, which she defends this week (woohoo! I'm just very happy for her, so I'm mentioning it a lot.), and I have the same "brain is mush, but I feel ever so much smarter" feeling from reading your report than I did from reading the dissertation. It's a good feeling. I like having conversations that aren't about light sabers or Power Rangers.

Anywho, keep it up! Thanks!
 
Haley, it's a wild hunch, but does Mr Silly like to hear himself talk???:rotfl2:

Seriuosly, love the report, I think I even understood most of it!!
 
You have just summed up why I will never go to the Coral Reef again. Next time try the Flying Fish on the Boardwalk -- more expensive, but definitely worth it.

Funny thing, we ate there a few trips back. I loved it but no one else was impressed. And they do not have the Wave. Plus Mr Silly likes to look at the Sea Turtle and it has become a tradition. But I much prefer Coral Reef when there is not free dining.
 
What, afraid to comment on Hegelian philosophy???

I try to stick to what I actually know. Besides, all those German philosophers were way too esoteric for my tastes. Give me Bertrand Russell any day.
 
Warning to both remaining readers of this trip report: Anyone who gets freaked out by discussions of the history of philosophy, please skip reading this post. It's not only not actually funny, but it's also not especially smurfy.

I try to stick to what I actually know. Besides, all those German philosophers were way too esoteric for my tastes. Give me Bertrand Russell any day.

In the end I am really a Classicist, the genius of the Greeks makes everything in their shadow a pale imitation. It was all downhill after Justinian closed the academy as far as I'm concerned.

I actually am deeply troubled by the Germans from Kant on, and while I think Hegel is very important to understand if you are interested in the history of thought, he's what I'd call a bad influence considering the legacy of Marxism and other trends in totalitarian statism inspired by him. Hegel and the Continentals who followed him took the worst habits of scholastic jargonizing to make mundane or nonsensical things sound profound. Did you ever hear what Schopenhauer said about him:

Schopenhauer said:
If I were to say that the so-called philosophy of this fellow Hegel is a colossal piece of mystification which will yet provide posterity with an inexhaustible theme for laughter at our times, that it is a pseudo-philosophy paralyzing all mental powers, stifling all real thinking, and, by the most outrageous misuse of language, putting in its place the hollowest, most senseless, thoughtless, and, as is confirmed by its success, most stupefying verbiage, I should be quite right.

Now good old Bertie, his moral relativism always troubled me, though he seemed like a reasonably nice guy (though Whitehead seemed nicer) and I have a lot of respect for both his participation in the peace movement, and his abilities as a writer. He's a guy who always brought fun philosopher's gossip to tell about. I always found it odd that Monty Python's Philosophers' Drinking Song skipped him since he out-drank the rest by gallons a day. But you have to appreciate that he was an inspiration for Groucho Marx' "I don't want to be a member of any club that would accept me as a member."

I expect it was a bit hard on him having Gödel come along and not only demolish his magnum opus but essentially end all hope of the dreams that trends in Anglo-American thought Russell was a leading exponent of. There's a joke often told in Phil. depts., "How can you sum up Bertrand Russel's philosophy? Depends which day he was writing."
 
And to try to make up for that last post I offer this:

What's large grey and doesn't matter?
An irrelephant.
 
After dinner I took off with Sheridac, Horsegirl, Grammyof2, and B (from the photo above) for Ladies night.

This was one of the big meet events. It had started as a ladies night and I continue to call it that, even if it became more of a general meet. We rode the Monorail over, got off at the TTC and walked on a long and winding path to the pool. I changed shoes on the way :cool1:

I don't remember everything we talked about on the way over, although the now infamous speedo story was related to me. What I remember most was laughing. Were we alone in our car? I got more, later.


I have checked and rechecked my notes. This I know for sure. The creme brulee at Coral Reef is delicious. But I ate it on Tuesday, not Saturday and I met you at the Poly. Everything else , well I forget everything else.

So I may or may not have been there. :dance3: :dance3: :dance3:

And I am caught up :banana:
 

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