The Running Thread - 2016

[doctorintheTARDIS]

Paging @doctorintheTARDIS & @Tardisblue

(@roxymama )

I always listen to this when I run... I like to think if I run hard and long enough... I'll either run into the Doctor or travel in time

(not all 10 hours though I just found this one and posted it because it had the cool "time travel vortex" hahahaha)

 

[croach]

Amazon has Jaybird X2 Wireless on sale for $79.99 tomorrow if that is something that interests anyone. Have to be a prime member though.

 

[derekleigh]

QOTD: What is the difference between your first marathon (or longest race) and your fastest? If you have only done one, then what is your goal?

ATTQOTD: My goal for the first one was to hopefully finish and to do so under 4 hour. I did not get to that sub 4 hour mark that day. The total time difference is around 30 minutes between my first and fastest time. I hope to have a big PR this year of somewhere in the neighborhood of 45 minutes.

First/best/worst Marathon = 4:41
I'd like to hit a sub-4:00 marathon one day

First HM = 2:24
Best HM = 1:54
Worst = 2:24

 

[keahgirl8]

Have you ever tried it? If not, give it a shot one day! Try a decent distance that will get you tired (10k or thereabouts?) at a moderate effort. I say do something in the 3:00/:30 to 4:00/:30 range. (At your speed, you would probably be recommended for longer run times, but this is just an experiment to get a feel for it.) You'll be slower, but afterwards think about how you feel given the effort and distance, and get on Garmin and check out your speeds while you were actually running. I'd be really interested to see if you get anything out of it.

You'll feel like you're stopping a LOT! I raced with a friend (ultra runner) at Dark Side, and several times he said, "Already?" But the idea is that the breaks are strategic, instead of waiting until you need/want them.

Agreed. I think a lot of people are surprised by what happens!

QOTD: What is the difference between your first marathon (or longest race) and your fastest? If you have only done one, then what is your goal?

ATTQOTD: My goal for the first one was to hopefully finish and to do so under 4 hour. I did not get to that sub 4 hour mark that day. The total time difference is around 30 minutes between my first and fastest time. I hope to have a big PR this year of somewhere in the neighborhood of 45 minutes.

I have run 2 half marathons. Both were Disney, and I stopped to take pictures. I never stand in a line, but I do stop and take selfies or pictures. In the second race, I was really injured, so it was actually slower than my first. I don't really have a time goal right now. I just have a goal to finish in one piece, honestly. I'm planning on doing my next one in 2018 and hopefully I will finish feeling good.

After spending hours googling "best podcasts" and listening to a few (like others, "serial" is what got me hooked), here are my recommendations (none are running related):

-are you a Democrat? You might like "keepin' it 1600". Interesting political commentary from 2 people (Jon Favreau and Dan Pfeiffer) who used to work on Obama's campaign. Can sound a little frat bro at times with occasional obsessions about twitter feeds, but my friend is a Republican and helped run a few presidential campaigns and he said they were "good guys" although he claims to never have listened to it. I never used to closely follow politics but it's pretty fascinating.
-do you like the Real Housewives? "b***h sesh" ... you're welcome. Carrie Wilson (Happy Endings) and Danielle Schneider are hysterical. I'll often laugh in the middle of my run
-"how did this get made" is a hilarious breakdown of terrible movies (Howard the Duck, Batman and Robin, the Room, etc). Again, will often laugh in the middle of a run.
-channel 33/the ringer have a bunch of different podcasts - mostly sports and pop culture centric. I personally enjoy "the watch" and "jam session". I believe "After the Game of Thrones" on HBO came from the podcast from Channel 33.
-if you're interested in how songs are made, check out "song exploder". It goes through the process (with interviews) on specific songs by a wide range of artists: the postal service, tUnE-yArDs, U2, spoon, ghost face killah, iggy pop ....

The first 2 recommendations are my favorites. I can't wait 'til Thursday when the next podcast comes out! I probably look deranged when I'm listening to "b***h sesh" and "how did this get made" since I'm grinning and laughing throughout my run. I tend to want levity when I'm running, so I might check out @Miranda 's suggestions. I've downloaded a few Rebel Force Radio podcasts that breakdown the Star Wars soundtracks, but haven't listened to them yet.

If anyone knows a good CFB podcast (more PAC 12 oriented). Please let me know. Excited about the upcoming season.

Also just saw that if you're an Amazon Prime member, you can get a 3 month Audible trial for free (new to Audible only), buuuuut if you wait until tomorrow (7/12 aka Amazon Prime Day) you also get a $10 credit.

Good choices! I love How Did this Get Made? I actually listen to it on airplanes and snort with laughter out loud like a crazy person. I also love the Real Housewives one. I don't watch Real Housewives at all, but I love Casey Wilson.

I love audible! Any memoir narrated by the author (preferably a comedian) will get me through any run. Podcasts I love are: most of the NPR ones (Fresh Air, On Point- especially Friday News Roundup, NPR Politics, Planet Money, Diane Rehm, Invisibilia, Pop Culture Happy Hour) The West Wing Weekly, I'm currently watching the Americans on Amazon Prime so I like to listen to Slate TV's The Americans as I go through the episodes, any Dis Podcast- but especially DisUplugged original and Connecting with Walt, Anna Farris is Unqualified, Ken Rudin's Political Junkie, 538 Elections, You Must Remember This, and sometimes *** with Marc Maron. . . . I really like podcasts!



My first half was done in 2:12 I believe and my fastest was my third half marathon that I did in 1:58. I have only gotten slower since then But I still have goals for upcoming races! Mainly just to be consistent with my training and enjoy the process! I think 2018 will be my first marathon.

Love love love Pop Culture Happy Hour! I haven't listened to it in forever. Thanks for reminding me about it!

This is one of the beautiful things and most frustrating things about running. It's all about what works for you. I find it interesting how variable it can be, and there have been three significantly different answers to the question. Personally, I find race pace to be pretty close to unsustainable for any significant length of time during training. Yet, in my most recent half marathon (and most prior ones), I went out with a goal pace well in excess of my training paces and nailed it pretty much start to finish (targeted 9:00/mile, came across the line at 8:58/mile with an even split).

So true! Sometimes when people ask for advice, I hesitate to give it, because i don't want them to just take it and run with it. What works for me may not work for you.

 

[mrsgryphon]

I have heard the Hartford 1/2 and full are a really nice race. I almost signed up this year but my goal race for the year was on 10/2 and it would have only given me 6 days to recover, which I didn't think was enough. I can't wait to hear how you like it.

The Hartford Half was my first half last fall, so I have run it once before. It was a nice course, relatively flat, great course support. Finishing under the Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Arch is pretty cool too.

It was 58 when I got back in my car afterwards, so it was probably colder than that earlier. I didn't end up wearing the tank and I'm glad I didn't... I was really cold. It wasn't pretty but I finished and I squeaked in under my 3 hour goal... 2:59:41.

But I finished and I already sent in my Half Fanatics stuff. It is kind of a silly thing but I made Half Fanatics a goal last fall and then didn't finish it because of W&D, and so I really wanted to finish it.

I'm glad you made the right shirt choice. Congrats on making your goal! I know it's kind of silly, but I after I didn't die during my second half this spring I signed up for another 3 weeks later so I could make Half Fanatics also. I still need to send in my stuff though.

I did my 5K last night. ETA: Official time 44:53.

Congratulations on your race!

Is the July date a typo or a race you did this weekend? If so how did it go?

Not a typo, I was just last minute in giving you my races. The race went well. We managed to get lucky with overcast skies and 66F at race time - in July! I finished in 28:23 which was 13 seconds faster than my last 5k, so I was pleased. My younger daughters did the kid fun runs (1/2 mile and mile), so it was a fun morning.

 

[CheapRunnerMike]

(@roxymama )

I always listen to this when I run... I like to think if I run hard and long enough... I'll either run into the Doctor or travel in time

(not all 10 hours though I just found this one and posted it because it had the cool "time travel vortex" hahahaha)

Do you listen to this one? I actually remember this being on the radio when I was a kid...

 

[CheapRunnerMike]

Just out of curiosity, what did a normal week of runs look like for you around the 60 mpw mark?

I was hitting 60 mpw about a month out from my marathon and this is roughly what I was doing those weeks...

Monday - 8 miles at around a 6:30 pace (Tempo-15)
Tuesday - Hansons Strength day, so 4x1.5 miles , 2x3m, 3x2m, trying to hit 6:05-6:20/mile for the intervals depending on the distance
Wednesday - 10K around a 6:30 pace (Tempo-15)
Thursday - 9 mile Tempo (6:15 pace)
Friday - 10K around a 6:30 pace (Tempo-15)
Saturday/Sunday - I would do either a Long Run (16-19 miles at long run pace around 6:40) with a 10K at T-15 the next day, or back to back 10-mile runs at T-15

This was pretty typical for most weeks, and somehow I didn't manage to get hurt. While there certainly were physical gains being made during this training block, the biggest gains were mental. This training taught me how to run fast and made me believe that I could not only BQ but get a sub-3 as well. I ran my half marathon PR about a month before this training started and it was 1:29...that's what made me decide to see how far I could push it. Breaking the 1:30 HM barrier was huge for me and made me believe. This training confirmed my belief and the race itself played out perfectly. I always smile when I think back to that day, but it was months of HARD training that let me get to that place.

 

[LSUlakes]

I was hitting 60 mpw about a month out from my marathon and this is roughly what I was doing those weeks...

Monday - 8 miles at around a 6:30 pace (Tempo-15)
Tuesday - Hansons Strength day, so 4x1.5 miles , 2x3m, 3x2m, trying to hit 6:05-6:20/mile for the intervals depending on the distance
Wednesday - 10K around a 6:30 pace (Tempo-15)
Thursday - 9 mile Tempo (6:15 pace)
Friday - 10K around a 6:30 pace (Tempo-15)
Saturday/Sunday - I would do either a Long Run (16-19 miles at long run pace around 6:40) with a 10K at T-15 the next day, or back to back 10-mile runs at T-15

This was pretty typical for most weeks, and somehow I didn't manage to get hurt. While there certainly were physical gains being made during this training block, the biggest gains were mental. This training taught me how to run fast and made me believe that I could not only BQ but get a sub-3 as well. I ran my half marathon PR about a month before this training started and it was 1:29...that's what made me decide to see how far I could push it. Breaking the 1:30 HM barrier was huge for me and made me believe. This training confirmed my belief and the race itself played out perfectly. I always smile when I think back to that day, but it was months of HARD training that let me get to that place.

That's some intense training, but in reality its almost required for a sub 3 hour marathon. Maybe not all the mile at that intensity for everyone to achieve it, but like you said it does a lot of good for the mental side of things. I am planning on two half's before the end up the year with the first one in October. The goal is to get below that 1:30 mark as well. If I do that then the second one will be part of a training run. I would prefer to do a half earlier, but its to hot until October around here and even then, the weather is a toss up. For now, I am working on 5k goal race in August and building a solid base for marathon training. I am looking to use Pfitz 18/55 but will try to modify it to increase mileage. Thanks for the info, and I hope in January I get to experience the joy (and pain) of going sub 3.

 

[CheapRunnerMike]

That's some intense training, but in reality its almost required for a sub 3 hour marathon. Maybe not all the mile at that intensity for everyone to achieve it, but like you said it does a lot of good for the mental side of things. I am planning on two half's before the end up the year with the first one in October. The goal is to get below that 1:30 mark as well. If I do that then the second one will be part of a training run. I would prefer to do a half earlier, but its to hot until October around here and even then, the weather is a toss up. For now, I am working on 5k goal race in August and building a solid base for marathon training. I am looking to use Pfitz 18/55 but will try to modify it to increase mileage. Thanks for the info, and I hope in January I get to experience the joy (and pain) of going sub 3.

Keep working hard and you can get there Jerry!

 

[LSUlakes]

QOTD: Today we will discuss shoes. Do you have a pair of trainers and a racing shoe? Do you train with your racing shoes, if so what type of workouts do you do? Do you have a pair of shoes you only use for short distance races versus longer races or training runs? If you have a pair of racing flats, what kind and what do you think about them?

ATTQOTD: I currently have two pairs of shoes. My primary shoe is the Saucony Kinvara 7. I really like this shoe. Out of the shoes I have ran with, I find its decently priced and I can get a lot of mile out of it (+375 Which is a lot for me). I use this shoe for nearly all my training runs. It weighs in at 7.7oz. My other pair is Asics Gel Lyte 33 3, I use this shoe as my "race" shoe. I ran WDW marathon in them I am can say that the shoe was not meant to be on for nearly 4 hours. It weighs in at 7.1oz, which doesn't seem like much, but maybe mentally it makes a difference. I will use these shoes for some of my speed work, but my feet/legs feel beat up after running hard with them when compared to my other pair. I find I do get better runs in with them, but again this may all be mental... I have found the Asics aren't holding up very well, but still offer some support. Both pairs are over 300 miles, so they are nearing the end of being used as a running shoe. I do not have a pair of racing flats, but I am doing some research on them at this time.

 

[Chaitali]

I look forward to reading the answers to today's QOTD! I only have 1 pair of running shoes at a time. I run in Saucony Guides and they seem to work really well for me. I change them out for another pair of Guides at the 6 month mark. But I've read that it's better for your body to rotate between shoes. It works your muscles differently, etc. So I might look into getting a different type of shoe to rotate. Anyone have experience with this?

 

[gjramsey]

ATTQOTD: I usually have two pair of shoes that I run and race in. For several years I mixed brands of shoes up often to see what worked best for me, and I have been a Brooks Glycerin guy for several years now. Since the 13s have just moved to warehouse price, I have ordered up 2 more of them to work into the rotation later this year. Last year, I waited too long on the 12s and they were tough to find around Xmas time.

I usually get 4-500 miles our of a pair of Brooks.

3 years ago I won a pair of UA Speedform shoes and I will still use those for track workouts.

 

[ebradley23]

ATQOTD: I have tried several shoes, but I always come back to my Saucony Rides for training and racing. I've tried shoes with less than an 8mm drop, and I typically end up with some sort of injury despite easing into them. Last year I tried a pair of Adidas UltraBoosts. I wound up with a black toenail and blisters under the ball of my foot (I never get blisters either). I think it was due to the 10 mm drop. The Rides have always served me well, so I've decided to quit wasting money trying out other shoes.

I have a minimum of two pair in rotation at any given time, since I snag previous models when I find them on sale for $50 or less. I wear the pair with less miles on them on race days.

 

[ZellyB]

QOTD: Today we will discuss shoes. Do you have a pair of trainers and a racing shoe? Do you train with your racing shoes, if so what type of workouts do you do? Do you have a pair of shoes you only use for short distance races versus longer races or training runs? If you have a pair of racing flats, what kind and what do you think about them?

ATTQOTD: I've always run in the same shoe since I started running, a Saucony Kinvara. However, with all my knee problems this year, I decided to give a more cushioned shoe a try, so I just bought some Saucony Zealots which is a relatively newer shoe with more cushion but still pretty light weight. I really like them. Right now while I'm trying to recuperate my knee, I'm running in them exclusively, but my plan is to use the Kinvara for shorter maintenance runs and use the Zealot for my long runs.

 

[Barca33Runner]

QOTD: Today we will discuss shoes. Do you have a pair of trainers and a racing shoe? Do you train with your racing shoes, if so what type of workouts do you do? Do you have a pair of shoes you only use for short distance races versus longer races or training runs? If you have a pair of racing flats, what kind and what do you think about them?

I just talked about shoes in my journal yesterday because I got a new pair of Asics Dynaflytes. I posted a couple pictures of the new shoes over there and detailed my running shoe history. In short, I have run in Asics Gel-Noosas since I began running and have had a lot of success with that shoe (no injuries), but I was looking for something with a similar profile and a slightly bouncier and cushioned ride for increased and slightly slower training mileage. I'm not really fast enough (maybe some day) for my race shoes to really make much difference.

 

[DIS-OH]

ATTQOD: Saucony Ride is the only shoe I've run in. I'm on my 8th or 9th pair. I usually try on other brands when it's time for new shoes, but always end up with these! The wider toe box works for me.

And now, for your laugh of the day: DH and I ran at the local high school track this morning. Apparently, Runkeeper was in a playful mood this morning. After 1 minute of running, it tells me, "Time: one minute. Distance: 0.25 miles."

Being on the track, it was pretty obvious I had not run a lap. But I had fun telling DH that, acording to Runkeeper, I can run a 4 minute mile pace!


After the first minute, Runkeeper quit joking and went back to my normal pace.

 

[CheapRunnerMike]

QOTD: Today we will discuss shoes. Do you have a pair of trainers and a racing shoe? Do you train with your racing shoes, if so what type of workouts do you do? Do you have a pair of shoes you only use for short distance races versus longer races or training runs? If you have a pair of racing flats, what kind and what do you think about them?

I've been running in Kinvaras almost from the day I started running...they are still my primary training shoe and my preferred marathon shoe. For races shorter than 26.2 I usually go with flats, New Balance 1400's. I have also been adding in New Balance Zantes quite a bit over the last year in both training as well as my triathlons...they are a similar fit and feel to the Kinvaras. I also run in New Balance Hierros on the trails.

 

[RunDisneyDad]

QOTD: Today we will discuss shoes. Do you have a pair of trainers and a racing shoe? Do you train with your racing shoes, if so what type of workouts do you do? Do you have a pair of shoes you only use for short distance races versus longer races or training runs? If you have a pair of racing flats, what kind and what do you think about them?

I'll rotate a couple of trainers (currently have Brooks Launch 2) and a pair of racers. When I hit a marathon training cycle I'll primarily wear the trainers, but will bust out the racers (Adidas Boost 2) for tempo/speedwork. Then, for my last 20 miler I'll wear the racers to make sure I'm okay with them for the longer distance.

I think I'm going to go back to the Kinvara's when I get my next pair of shoes and then race in them as well. They are the perfect combination of weight and cushioning. Just a solid shoe. They also do special additions of the Kinvara's for the Boston, NYC and London Marathons.

Not sure if anyone has tried the Hoka Clayton's but they look like a similar shoe to the Kinvara.

 

[GreatLakes]

QOTD: Today we will discuss shoes. Do you have a pair of trainers and a racing shoe? Do you train with your racing shoes, if so what type of workouts do you do? Do you have a pair of shoes you only use for short distance races versus longer races or training runs? If you have a pair of racing flats, what kind and what do you think about them?

I have three pairs of shoes I run/race in.

• My training shoes that I also wear for races longer than 10K (Mizuno Wave Riders)
  
• Racing flats I wear for races 10K and under and for track work (Currently Brooks T6's but I purchased a pair of New Balance RC1600v2's and a pair of Mizuno Ekindens)
  
• Trail running shoes (Saucony Peregrines)

 

[MommaoffherRocker]

I know there was some talk about watches a while back but I was looking at the Prime deals today on Amazon and saw the Forerunner 225 is $175, does anyone have that watch?