The Running Thread - 2016

[Slogger]

QOTD: How do you feel about running doubles? Do you run them because of a lack of time to get the total miles required for a day? Training plan calls out for doubles? Only need for high mileage runners (60 MPW or more)?

Not really qualified to answer since I am not a high mileage runner.
But I have run doubles many times in an effort to get mileage in before vacation, bad weather, or some other reason that seemed logical at the time.

 

[ebradley23]

ATTQOTD: No doubles so far. I may do them this year during our WDW vacation depending on the week. Last year it was a 50 mile week. Running 10 miles around POR & FQ after spending all day in a park was misereable. The 5 mile runs weren't so bad, so breaking that longer one up may be the best plan.

 

[croach]

AATQOTD: I really haven't ever done doubles. I did one recently bc coach put it on the plan. From what I've read doubles are good if you are trying to do a couple different types of runs in a day. Say a tempo run in the morning and an easy run in the evening. Breaking long runs up can be tricky because then you lose the endurance building purpose of the run. But like a lot of people have said, that's what real life requires sometimes so you do what you have to do.

 

[ebradley23]

It just have to give kudos to two running related companies for their excellent customer service.

First is Jaybird. I got the X2s last year. Recently they started acting wonky - forcing me to pair them each use, not holding a charge, going into pair mode spontaneously, etc. I called to file a warranty claim. It was the most seamless process. They used my return tracking as verification that I was sending back my original pair, so they cross-shipped my new pair. It's been less than a week since I called, and I just got my replacements. Yay!

Saucony - I've been running in Rides as at least one of my shoes in rotation for the last 3 years. The only Ride 8 models I purchased (I stocked up on 7's at a discount, so I just had to buy the 8's recently) started having severe tread wear with less than 200 miles. That's not the usual way my shoes breakdown. In fact, many of my shoes never have significant tread wear when I retire them at 350-400 miles. I took pics of my last 3 pair side by side to send to Saucony. They used my pics to determine I had defective shoes and sent me out a new pair with no questions asked. I thought I was going to have to chalk these up to a loss, because technically it's wear and tear (not covered by warranty). I was pleasantly surprised that they went ahead and warrantied them.

Anyway, I always like to spread the word when I get great service. If you've considered either of these brands, know they stand behind their products.

 

[Chasing Dopey]

QOTD: How do you feel about running doubles? Do you run them because of a lack of time to get the total miles required for a day? Training plan calls out for doubles? Only need for high mileage runners (60 MPW or more)? If you do run them what is your approach?

Being 40 (for a few more days, anyway), I'm big on recovery time, so until I get into the heart of Dopey training, I don't even have consecutive running days. If for some reason I get the Ironman bug, two-a-days would become a necessity, but I think it's highly unlikely I'll pursue that level.

 

[cburnett11]

Trying to catch back up to this thread and be a little more active in this awesome community. Several of you were very helpful leading up to January when I ran my first marathon down at Disney...

QOTD: What type of device do you use to track your runs? What do you like and dislike about it?

I had a Garmin Forerunner 10, but upgraded to the Forerunner 230 back in early December. My 10 had served its purpose, but was older and the battery wasn't what it once was. I was concerned it wouldn't make it through the marathon and I didn't want to find out how I'd "react" if my battery died during the race. Instead I found out that day how little I like humidity ... but that's unrelated to the device question. Anyways, it was probably just a good excuse to buy a newer device so I picked the 230. I almost went with the 235, but was worried that having the heart rate data would actually be too much information for me. I like the 230's ability to show 4 data points at once and with multiple screens this can end up being more if you need it. Being able to download a race predictor data field is nice to use during a race. I used 1 for my marathon as well as a half.

QOTD: What are your top 5 Bucket List races in order of importance? They can be any distance for any reason.

I never had a race bucket list, until I happened upon Marathon weekend in 2015 by accident. When I saw the runners coming through Hollywood Studios on Sunday, I thought "Hmm, if I was ever going to run 1 marathon I guess this would be it". By the end of the week, I had committed to myself to return in 2016 and so I guess I'll put that down as my #1 on the list...

1. WDW Marathon (Jan 2016 and planning to return Jan 2018)
2. Chicago Marathon (registered to run in Oct 2016)
3. Boston Marathon (Probably never a BQ, but I'd run it either way)
4. New York Marathon (What's not to like about running through all 5 boroughs?)
5. MCM or RnR Las Vegas (big contrast, I know)

QOTD: How do you feel about running doubles? Do you run them because of a lack of time to get the total miles required for a day? Training plan calls out for doubles? Only need for high mileage runners (60 MPW or more)? If you do run them what is your approach?

I think doubles are only needed for high mileage runners. I've actually done some "doubles" recently, but only because my wife is doing a couch to 5k app. She decided to start running (yea!) and I've been doing the workouts with her. Now that she's reached the point of getting 2 or more miles in (she's ended the walk breaks), I'm using my Garmin and allowing these miles to be added in with my normal training plan. On some days I've already done my workout in the morning, so running with her in the evening amounts to a "double" but is really just a short recovery run. If I'm working out in the evening, running with her serves as a nice warmup. At any rate it's way more fun having 2 of us in the same household with the running bug.

 

[Chasing Dopey]

Plan being the operative word. We'll see how it goes because I've never done something this aggressive. Here's the plan if you're interested.

Holy crap! I've got one rinky-dink little spreadsheet. This will take me the rest of the week to study! (You're like my oracle and s***.)

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Being 40 (for a few more days, anyway), I'm big on recovery time, so until I get into the heart of Dopey training, I don't even have consecutive running days. If for some reason I get the Ironman bug, two-a-days would become a necessity, but I think it's highly unlikely I'll pursue that level.

If you run "Easy" you will find that your recovery is 12 hours or less. By "Easy" I mean heart rate zone 2 or maybe the edge of zone 3. And believe it or not, running in HR Zone 2 really helps runners - I mean, it helps runners a whole lot.

 

[Anisum]

QOTD: How do you feel about running doubles? Do you run them because of a lack of time to get the total miles required for a day? Training plan calls out for doubles? Only need for high mileage runners (60 MPW or more)? If you do run them what is your approach?

I've done that maybe once? I like to shower after my run so the idea of doubles seems like a pain plus on a work day I'd have to get up even earlier.

Please don't kick me off the board, but I have to confess that I neither like nor drink beer.

I don't like beer either but I'm fairly certain I would do the beer chase for the experience.

 

[Barca33Runner]

Please don't kick me off the board, but I have to confess that I neither like nor drink beer.

I don't drink any form of alcohol; I'm entirely out of place. So many free drink tickets left unredeemed.

 

[gjramsey]

I rarely drink beer after a race. I have been known to grab some during a race though. I asked for some at the last water stop in Epcot during the WDW marathon in Jan (I was so tired of water and poweraide by that point).....

 

[DopeyBadger]

Holy crap! I've got one rinky-dink little spreadsheet. This will take me the rest of the week to study! (You're like my oracle and s***.)

Yea my "Running Record Book" excel sheet just keeps expanding. We've got:

Records - every race I've ever run. The time, placement (total, gender, and division place/percentage), and goal before the race. Including Top 5 at every distance. And a track of my times in half and fulls over time to measure progress. Plus a breakdown of personal running PRs in weekly mileage, monthly mileage, yearly mileage, time spent training, and lifetime mileage.
Upcoming Races - dates, prices, when they go on sale and when price increases are.
Old Training Plans - dating back to Jan 2014, every prescribed run and pace
Bucket List - Every race domestic and international that I have an interest in, including the time of the year it is held, whether it's a lottery, qualifying times, and my proposed year of doing it.
Current Training Plan - where I break down the upcoming custom plan (that is what is detailed in the link to my journal)
Hansons - a breakdown of their Beg and Advanced Plans, attempts to figure out their methods in designing these plans, and dissecting Luke Humphrey's plan at the back of the book (the basis for my current plan).
Caloric Race Needs - a calculator based excel sheet that based on input of gender, weight, and VO2max can state expected finishing times for half/full and the necessary carb strategy (calculator made using data from Hansons and Ben Rapport's scientific paper), also calculate needs for carb loading and an estimate on when someone would hit the wall based on planned carb consumption.
Nutritional Diet - breakdown of my daily needs dietarily and how I plan to meet them
Progress - using heart rate data and pacing I developed a personal calculator to make predictions on my current fitness state and reasonable expectations for upcoming races.
Pacing - a breakdown of the Hansons suggested training paces into a calculator form to make more accurate suggestions on training paces. Type in a 5K, 10K, half, or full and it spits out the suggested training paces.
Custom Training for others - several training plans I've custom made for co-workers and people on here looking for something different than a standard plan.

I'm a data guy.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I'm a data guy.

The first step toward recovery is admitting that you have a problem.

 

[Kathymford]

ATTQOTD: Doubles? Nope. I'm not sure I can. I couldn't even manage a full mile after 20 minutes of sprints last night. LOL.

All of these relay races sound fun and I'm pretty sure I have a friend or two that would love the challenge of the Beer Chase one. LOL. But those inclines and the required pace (team pace limit of a 10:30 min/mile) on the Rock Lobster Relay means #imout LOL

 

[Miranda]

All of these relay races sound fun and I'm pretty sure I have a friend or two that would love the challenge of the Beer Chase one. LOL. But those inclines and the required pace (team pace limit of a 10:30 min/mile) on the Rock Lobster Relay means #imout LOL

That just means we need some fast people on our team to balance us out.

I can usually maintain ~11:30 for a 3-4 mile run, ~12:00 for 10K, ~12:30 for up to 10 miles. Put me with some faster people and don't give me any long legs and I'd probably be ok.

 

[LSUlakes]

Anyone can tell me how long it takes for a ADR made over the phone to show up on my Disney app? Im freaking out a bit because I did not get the confirmation number before she hung up.

 

[Keels]

Anyone can tell me how long it takes for a ADR made over the phone to show up on my Disney app? Im freaking out a bit because I did not get the confirmation number before she hung up.

Depending on what it is, it may never show up ... I know that doesn't help, but you can always call back and check.

I haven't had Dessert Parties, a CRT meal, a boat rental and premium dining experiences show up in my MDE on both coasts when I made the reservations over the phone.

 

[LSUlakes]

Depending on what it is, it may never show up ... I know that doesn't help, but you can always call back and check.

I haven't had Dessert Parties, a CRT meal, a boat rental and premium dining experiences show up in my MDE on both coasts when I made the reservations over the phone.

Made a reservation for Cinderella's Royal Table. Checked out CC and it has been charged so I guess we are good to go. I'll call later to confirm. Thanks for the info! Nice to see you active on this thread again as well!

 

[DVCFan1994]

That just means we need some fast people on our team to balance us out.

I can usually maintain ~11:30 for a 3-4 mile run, ~12:00 for 10K, ~12:30 for up to 10 miles. Put me with some faster people and don't give me any long legs and I'd probably be ok.

Yes and the fast people need a few of us slower ones to make sure they have plenty of time to rest.

Currently, my half pace is about 11:00, 10k is about 9:50. But I am not sure what would happen to those paces when I started doing multiples runs over 24 hours.

 

[DVCFan1994]

If you run "Easy" you will find that your recovery is 12 hours or less. By "Easy" I mean heart rate zone 2 or maybe the edge of zone 3. And believe it or not, running in HR Zone 2 really helps runners - I mean, it helps runners a whole lot.

Why is this? My coach has me doing almost everything in zone 2 right now, and it is making me a little crazy. He says just trust him, and with the number of injuries he's gotten me past I do. He says all this time in zone 2 will prevent those injuries from recurring, and I'll be able to get back to my old paces. But I feel so slow, and my runs are taking forever. So why is so much time in zone 2 a good thing? And I have a new day of running Friday which is my first labeled as a recovery run and I am supposed to try to stay in zone 1. Not going to happen unless I walk a lot. But I promised I'd try.