The Official LOST Season Five *No Spoilers* Thread

[happygirl]

I think Ben can go back on the Island anytime he wants, but he need someone to be Lock on the return flight.


I cried when Ben killed LocK. I knew he wasn't going to stay dead it was still sad to watch

 

[1LuckyMom]

Anyone catch the Dharma symbol on the file that Cesear was looking at?? That would maybe tell us which island they were on. Also what is he looking for?? He must be working for someone, but who?

I know I'll have to go back and watch this one a couple times to fully digest all the info in it.

 

[Heidict]

Ben is such a master manipulator. One minute you hate him, see him as the enemy, then he opens his mouth. Everything that comes out of it is probably lies and only serves the purpose of benefiting him, but still, you can’t help but believe him. Michael Emerson is amazing in that role and he sooooo deserved the Emmy.

So, did Ben not know who Eloise Hawking was? He was obviously a bit shocked to hear the name. But why? Was he waiting get that info from Locke and then once he had it he killed him? Or was it that he was upset that Widmore had a connection to Eloise? If that was it, then why kill Locke? It wouldn’t change the fact the Widmore still knew what he knew. The only true thing you can say about any of Ben’s words and actions is that they are all self-serving. He doesn’t care about ANYONE. I’m just trying to figure out why he was begging to save Locke’s life one minute and then the next he kills him. I’m going with the he needed the name of the person who could get him back to the island.

I'm a little confused about him being alive (or is he) on the island. The producers have said that if someone dies, they're really dead. But did they mean if they die on the island? I don't know if they made that distinction or not.

The only think I can think of is that he is special. That, like Desmond, he is the exception to the rule. He has a connection to Jacob and the island unlike anyone of them have.

So why did Alanna and that other guy know where to find an office and what were they looking for?

Maybe they just happened to stumble onto it? Seems like they are on the small island, the one where the others lived. Those buildings where not hidden like the hatches where so they may have crashed somewhere close to the buildings and just saw them.

Do you guys remember when Michael was trying to kill himself and couldn't?? I thought there was something about being from the island that made you not able to commit suicide in the real world.

Michael couldn’t kill himself because the island wasn’t done with him yet. He still had work to do. Once your work is done, maybe you can die then?

 

[Amy]

The plane crashed landed on the other island. It's the one where they took Kate, Sawyer and Jack, when Jack did the surgery on Ben. Remember they were making Sawyer and Kate break rocks for a runway. Whoever is with Frank must have known that they were not on the "right" island and took off to find the rest of the survivors on the main island.

Oooh, I hadn't thought of that! I remember Locke was was on the beach looking out at the ocean and you could see another island; I just thought it was "their" island kind of wrapping around.

But wait.....those outrigger canoes WERE on their island. Remember when Sawyer's group was flashing through time and they headed back to their beach and saw the camp all trashed and then found the canoes? That was THEIR island, not the other island.

WOW!!! What a show!

If I remember correctly Lapidus only flew back and forth to the freighter. So unless he was with someone else (Sun?) who knew more about the island then I'm not sure he would just take off in a boat.

Yeah, that's another question....why did Lapidus take off in the canoe?

 

[1LuckyMom]

Now that we see the 316rs with the outriggers, do we dare assume that some of these people were the ones shooting at our Losties in the other episode?

I think Ben only knew the way back to the island before when he had his sub.(before it had been moved) Now, he needed to find another way and once he heard it was through Eloise then he could get rid of John and hope that the island would take him back. At least he seemed upset about killing John, as before he killed without emotion.

 

[1LuckyMom]

Oh, I just thought of this. If Micheal could not be killed because the island wasn't done with him then we don't have to worry about Des because Eloise said the island wasn't done with him either! I'm a big Penny and Des fan. I also thought it was sweet last night when Sayid talked about the best nine months of his life with Nadia. Guess I'm a romantic at heart.

 

[karajeboo]

So many new questions again after last night. But one question was finally answered. We now know that all the O6 were handpicked to be on flight 815 in the beginning. Remember the driver telling Locke that he was the one at the hospital who told him to do the Walkabout? But WHY these people? What is it about them that they all needed to be on that island?

 

[karajeboo]

Oh, I just thought of this. If Micheal could not be killed because the island wasn't done with him then we don't have to worry about Des because Eloise said the island wasn't done with him either! I'm a big Penny and Des fan. I also thought it was sweet last night when Sayid talked about the best nine months of his life with Nadia. Guess I'm a romantic at heart.

Me too so I'm REALLY excited about the Kate/Sawyer reunion! Please let it be a hot day, sun beating down, Sawyer needs to find a way cool off....!

 

[Ephany]

When I was watching next week's previews frame by frame (yes, I'm a dork) Sun is definitely with Ben in the jungle. I don't know if that means Ben's with the Oceanic 6 (minus Aaron) or if Sun's with the passengers who went down.

DH and I think they're definitely on the little island and are going through the Hydra station. I was thinking it was in the past timeline due to the nature of the station, but the plane looks like it ended up next to a long uncleared space (possible the runway that Kate/Sawyer were working on when they were prisoners of the Others? I think Jin and probably Daniel are definitely working for the Dharma Inititive in the past, where Sawyer/Juliette/Miles are though, I'm not sure. I really hope there's the Sun/Jin reunion next week!

We were also thinking that the blond in the previews could be Penny, but where would Desmond and Charlie be? I don't think there'll be many episodes with children; they grow too fast (like Walt). Too many questions!

 

[1LuckyMom]

When I was watching next week's previews frame by frame (yes, I'm a dork) Sun is definitely with Ben in the jungle. I don't know if that means Ben's with the Oceanic 6 (minus Aaron) or if Sun's with the passengers who went down.

We were also thinking that the blond in the previews could be Penny, but where would Desmond and Charlie be? I don't think there'll be many episodes with children; they grow too fast (like Walt). Too many questions!

I am going to go walk on the treadmill and rewatch. Maybe I'll catch something else. Check with you all later!

 

[Heidict]

So, I have an idea. Tell me if it makes sense or is plausible. My DH agreed to it, but it was midnight and he was trying to sleep. Maybe that had something to do with it?

So, we learned that Demond found out about Eloise from Widmore. Widmore, despite his “evil” nature truly does love his daughter and told Desmond to keep her safe. He knows what Ben is capable of and he knows that if he will kill her if he finds her.

So, now we have Desmond going to Eloise. I can totally see Widmore sending one of his guys to sit on Eloise’s place to wait for Desmond. Then once he shows up, he has them follow and “protect” his daughter from Ben or anyone trying to do her harm.

So, that leads me to think that maybe Ben was beaten up by one of Widmore’s guys. Maybe, Ben followed Desmond with the intention of killing Penny. One of Widmore’s guys see’s him and puts the hurtin on him.

So, what happened to Desmond and Penny? Could Des have seen the fight going on and pulled up anchor and ran? Could Ben have killed Widmore’s guy and then went after Penny? Are they safe?

I’m going with Widmore as being the good guy.

 

[karajeboo]

I think that if Ben had tried to kill Penny, Ben wouldn't just be beat up, he'd be dead. I do think that Widmore is going to be the good guy though. Ben has been bad, then we think he's good, then bad again. I just can't see him as being any type of hero. Why do I even try to figure out this show?????

 

[Amy]

And you know what else? What happened to Sayid - did he "flash to the past" with Jack/Kate/Hurley, or is he with the flight 316 survivors?

So we have Sun and Sayid unaccounted for after the 316 crash.

Based on Jin driving the Dharma van and coming upon Jack/Kate/Hurley, we know they "flashed" back to the 1970's.

Locke, Ben, Alana, the guy who spoke to Jack in the airport (Cesar??), and the other 316 survivors crashed in present-day. Cesar and Alana were shown looking through somebody's office, so we're assuming that 316 survivors crashed on the "other" island where the Others held Jack, Kate and Sawyer.

Frank Lapidus and "a woman" took off in one of those outrigger canoes. Where did they go? To "the" island?

Who was the woman who went in the canoe with Frank? Sun? I still think it's Penny, and that Sun flashed into the 1970's along with Jack/Kate/Hurley. I base this on: ELoise said ALL the Oceanic 6 had to go back, so it would make sense that the O6 all flashed to the 1970's; they're just not all together yet. Frank was not one of the O6, so he's with the flight 316 folks. Ben is with the 316 people because the island is done with him and doesn't need him any more. Why is Locke with the 316 people? Another mystery we'll have to wait for the answer.

 

[happygirl]

Do you think the reason why Ben killed Lock was because the Island wouldn't let Locke kill himself. Remember how many times Michael tried to kill himself and he couldn't

 

[DisneyFan32WI]

Frank was flying the plane, but was there a co-pilot on board?

 

[brerrabbit]

When Juliette let Sawyer and Kate escape after Ben's surgery, she let them take a canoe. She even killed the hot head guy that was going to kill Sawyer and was branded as a result. Based on previews I think that Sun is with Lapidus and she took off to the main island to look for Jin. Sayid is the mystery. Where or more appropriately when is he?

 

[karajeboo]

And you know what else? What happened to Sayid - did he "flash to the past" with Jack/Kate/Hurley, or is he with the flight 316 survivors?

So we have Sun and Sayid unaccounted for after the 316 crash.

Based on Jin driving the Dharma van and coming upon Jack/Kate/Hurley, we know they "flashed" back to the 1970's.

Locke, Ben, Alana, the guy who spoke to Jack in the airport (Cesar??), and the other 316 survivors crashed in present-day. Cesar and Alana were shown looking through somebody's office, so we're assuming that 316 survivors crashed on the "other" island where the Others held Jack, Kate and Sawyer.

I agree with what a pp wrote that this should be THE island because when Sawyer and the rest came up to their camp, they saw the canoes, so this is the original island where they set up camp.

Frank Lapidus and "a woman" took off in one of those outrigger canoes. Where did they go? To "the" island?

Who was the woman who went in the canoe with Frank? Sun? I still think it's Penny, and that Sun flashed into the 1970's along with Jack/Kate/Hurley. I base this on: ELoise said ALL the Oceanic 6 had to go back, so it would make sense that the O6 all flashed to the 1970's; they're just not all together yet. Frank was not one of the O6, so he's with the flight 316 folks. Ben is with the 316 people because the island is done with him and doesn't need him any more. Why is Locke with the 316 people? Another mystery we'll have to wait for the answer.

Maybe the co-pilot is a woman and that is who Frank left with in the canoe?

 

[harleyquinn]

I'm thinking it's Whitmore.

First of all, he's a multi-millionaire, which already makes him evil in my book. His own daughter can't stand him; and Penny is such a sweetheart, if she doesn't like you, you must be bad. Plus I really do think his killings have been more cold-hearted than any of the ones Ben has been behind.

I think Ben is truly obsessed with island and keeping it because of it's mystique and because he's the one that has NOTHING on the mainland. I think Whitmore wants the island for financial gain. Also I'm wondering if Ben killed Locke, knowing he would regain life again once they returned to the island - therefore not truly killing him.

I think either Widmore is the real bad guy--or that they BOTH are bad guys and the island wants John now, but they will both try and take back over. The writers tried very hard to make you like Widmore and hate Ben in this episode, which bugs me...But this begs the question, Widmore knew how to get back on the island--or that the O6 were going to try, so why didn't he go too? Why isn't he obsessed with getting on the island? He sent people to take it over, but didn't come himself?

Anyone catch the Dharma symbol on the file that Cesear was looking at?? That would maybe tell us which island they were on. Also what is he looking for?? He must be working for someone, but who?

I know I'll have to go back and watch this one a couple times to fully digest all the info in it.

Yes, it was the Hydra.

But wait.....those outrigger canoes WERE on their island. Remember when Sawyer's group was flashing through time and they headed back to their beach and saw the camp all trashed and then found the canoes? That was THEIR island, not the other island.

So maybe they take the canoes to the other island and leave them there and thats when the jump happened.

My big questions come from the scene with Walt. Why is Walt dreaming about John? Why didn't anyone tell the kid that his father is dead?! None of the O6 saught him out?! I find that kinda strange. I can see them staying away in the beginning while the lie was fresh, but it's been 3 years, you would think one of them came to talk to him...

 

[brerrabbit]

In the flashes when Locke, Sawyer, Juliette et al. found the canoes they found that there camp had been lived in and they also found Aijira water bottles in the canoes. I think the plane crash landed on the smaller island (where Jack did Ben's surgery) and they will find the canoes and eventually get to the main island. The office they were going through looked like no other and it was obviously a Dharma station. Locke was on the beach looking across the water to another big island. Also if you look back at the episode they showed the plane vitually intact and it had crash landed on what appeared to be an airstrip. As I said earlier when Kate and Sawyer were on that island they were being forced to move rocks and there was mention of the fact that they were building a runway.

I am pretty convinced that the landed on the smaller island.

 

[harleyquinn]

When Juliette let Sawyer and Kate escape after Ben's surgery, she let them take a canoe. She even killed the hot head guy that was going to kill Sawyer and was branded as a result. Based on previews I think that Sun is with Lapidus and she took off to the main island to look for Jin. Sayid is the mystery. Where or more appropriately when is he?

That wasn't the same canoe was it?

Here's a pic of Kate and Sawyer's canoe, but I can't find one of the ones on the island. But I remember them being much bigger than this one.