The Official LOST Season Five *No Spoilers* Thread

[Amy]

I had some more thought about last night's show; let me know what you guys think about this:

- ok, so flight 316 crashes, the Oceanic 6 flash back to the 1970's and the rest of the plane and passengers are on the beach at the "present" time. So why did Alanna and that other guy know where to find an office and what were they looking for?

- and we're assuming since we saw that Jack, Kate and Hurley flashed back to the 1970's, but we haven't seen Sun - can we assume Sun flashed back with them since she was one of the Oceanic 6? But Locke and Ben didn't flash back, they seem to be on the island in the present time.

- after the crash when Locke was staring into the ocean and that deputy woman (Alanna??) was talking to him, she said that the pilot and "a woman" took one of those outrigger canoes. DH and I assumed that the "woman" was one of the flight attendants. If so, why didn't Alanna say "the pilot and a flight attendant" took the canoe? So "woman" has to be another passenger. Can't be Sun since she's one of the Oceanic 6 and would have flashed back to the 1970's where Jack, Hurley and Kate are. It has to be another female passenger on the plane, someone who sat back in coach and we didn't see……what about Penny? Maybe she and Desmond (I'm hoping Desmond is still alive and Ben didn't kill him) got on the plane after all, and maybe Penny couldn't find Desmond after the crash, so she and Frank Lapidus took the canoe to look for him?

- I thought maybe that woman who went in the canoe could also be Eloise Hawkings, that she got on the plane for some reason, but the more I thought about it, it seems like she's the one who stays in the "real" world and coordinates things with the island.

- Eloise Hawkings is bothering me. She obviously knows and works with Widmore (Widmore was financing Daniel's research, Widmore knew exactly where she was since he gave Desmond her address) and she obviously knows and works with Ben. Why is she playing both sides? Does SHE know which one, Ben or Widmore, is the good guy? Or…..is she working to help THE ISLAND, and figures that the feud between Ben and Widmore is just some side story and she doesn't really care which one of Ben or Widmore "wins" their fight as long as she saves the island?

- Maybe Eloise Hawkings is Jacob!!

 

[elizke]

I think Ben talked John down just to get him talking and get the info he needed to be the "one" who brings them all back to the island and saves it. He killed John the second he got the last bit of info he needed.

Man that guy is cold!

As for dead ones and the island, still stying to figure that one out, since the first time we saw Jack's father.

 

[DisneyMissy318]

Do you guys remember when Michael was trying to kill himself and couldn't?? I thought there was something about being from the island that made you not able to commit suicide in the real world. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong. I think Ben knew that John couldn't/wouldn't die by hanging himself - but knew that he had to die in order to get back to the island. If Ben were just trying to get rid of John - why didn't he just leave his body in LA - so he wouldn't have the competition when they were back on the island? I think that Ben really does NEED John.

 

[Disney1fan2002]

So, what the heck happened on that plane? Why did Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sun and Sayid just disappear while the rest of the plane just crashed and Locke and Ben are with them but the rest (Jack Kate etc...) are elsewhere????

It seems like the Island took those that it wanted, the O6 (or O5 minus Aaron). It was interesting to see that not only was Ben not taken with the others, but he got hurt. I guess the island is done with him!

Why does Locke seem 'alive'? Is he? If he really is alive then is Jack's dad? Claire?

I think the Island brought John back to life. Which begs the question, is Jack's dad really alive? Not sure about that one, but Locke is alive, I would say.

Who is the evil one, Ben or Witmore? I'm thinking either it's Ben or it's both of them.

I'm going with Ben being the evil one. I really softened to Whidmore last night. He seem genuine, and it makes sense that Ben would of exiled him if he was a chosen leader.

 

[Camster0307]

Does anyone else feel they really need a drink after watching this show? OMG - so tense!

So I thought Ben stopped Locke from killing himself because he needed to hear the name of who could help him get back to the island; once Locke told him Eloise Hawkings, Ben didn't need him anymore. Besides, doesn't Ben really believe that Locke has to be dead in order to convince the others to go back?

I'm hoping we're not done with Walt either. There's too many unanswered questions with him. I was kind of surprised though that Matthew seemed to lump Walt into the group that Locke needs to convince to go back. Did anyone else catch that? Locke visited Sayid; then Walt - and Matthew told him "you're 0 for 2, John."

And, yes I'm thinking Sun is the woman who went off with the pilot.

 

[Disney1fan2002]

Do you guys remember when Michael was trying to kill himself and couldn't?? I thought there was something about being from the island that made you not able to commit suicide in the real world. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong. I think Ben knew that John couldn't/wouldn't die by hanging himself - but knew that he had to die in order to get back to the island. If Ben were just trying to get rid of John - why didn't he just leave his body in LA - so he wouldn't have the competition when they were back on the island? I think that Ben really does NEED John.

Ben understands the Island is it's own force. He must of realized if he went back without John, he would have had to deal with Jacob. We all know how afraid of Jacob Ben is!

I think that Ben being left with the plane crach victims is very telling. The Island doesn't want him. He was NOT supposed to join them.

 

[Amy]

It was so good! Of course, more questions than answers yet again.

I knew we'd see that guy (at the airport, who spoke to Jack) again. Just didn't think it'd be so soon.

So, what the heck happened on that plane? Why did Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sun and Sayid just disappear while the rest of the plane just crashed and Locke and Ben are with them but the rest (Jack Kate etc...) are elsewhere????!

I taped it last night and have to re-watch it, but when that guy at the airport (I wish I knew his name) was asking Locke what happened on the plane and said he was a bright light and people just disappeared from the plane - did he specifically mention a woman? They showed us Jack, Kate and Hurley that flashed back to the 1970's, but we haven't seen Sun. I'm assuming she also flashed back with them since she's one of the Oceanic 6, but on this show, nothing is for sure! I sure hope she flashed back with the rest of them and that she and Jin will be reunited soon. It would really stink if Sun is with the other 316 survivors in the present and Jin is back in the 1970's and they're both on the same island but separated by time. THen again, that's just the kind of things Damon and Carlton will do to us!

Why does Locke seem 'alive'? Is he? If he really is alive then is Jack's dad? Claire?!

That's confusing me, too.....Jack's dad was dead on 815, but when he "came back to life" on the island, he wasn't "human" (for lack of a better word). Locke seems to be completely normal. And what about the dream Walt had, that Locke was back on the island with people who wanted to hurt him? Could it be that since the 316-ers didn't see Locke on the plane (since he was in the coffin in the baggage hold), maybe they start to think he's like Ethan was with the original 815-ers?

Who is the evil one, Ben or Witmore? I'm thinking either it's Ben or it's both of them.

Why did Ben kill Locke? That was a tough scene for me to watch.!

ITA....sure didn't see that one coming!

I hope that wasn't the last of Walt but I'm afraid it may be?? Unless they tie up his story (why he was special) at the end of the series.

We get to see Sawyer and Kate reunite next week? That's what it looked like

LOVE this show!

I wonder when we'll see Sun and Jin reunite? I hope they don't make us wait too long for that!

I was a bit disappointed with Walt's story line. I thought Locke would have more questions when Walt said he'd dreamed about him on the island in a suit.

Lost is so good at leaving you wanting more. I'm wondering if Sun is the woman with the pilot And where'd Sayid end up?

Yeah, it seems like Walt was such an important part of the story at the beginning, and now they're just going to drop him? Locke said he's been through enough.....and that's it??

 

[rabx5]

What a show

I had a REALLY hard time watching Ben kill John. I mean I actually had to turn my head-I don't know why that would bother me so much when I can watch slasher movies without whincing

I loved seeing Walt again I hope we see more of him.

I will be in WDW next week, but I am DVRing it-the previews look great

 

[wdhinn89]

The coming attractions showed Sun with the Oceanic 6.

 

[Camster0307]

Who is the evil one, Ben or Witmore? I'm thinking either it's Ben or it's both of them.

I'm thinking it's Whitmore.

First of all, he's a multi-millionaire, which already makes him evil in my book. His own daughter can't stand him; and Penny is such a sweetheart, if she doesn't like you, you must be bad. Plus I really do think his killings have been more cold-hearted than any of the ones Ben has been behind.

I think Ben is truly obsessed with island and keeping it because of it's mystique and because he's the one that has NOTHING on the mainland. I think Whitmore wants the island for financial gain. Also I'm wondering if Ben killed Locke, knowing he would regain life again once they returned to the island - therefore not truly killing him.

Do you guys remember when Michael was trying to kill himself and couldn't?? I thought there was something about being from the island that made you not able to commit suicide in the real world. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong. I think Ben knew that John couldn't/wouldn't die by hanging himself - but knew that he had to die in order to get back to the island. If Ben were just trying to get rid of John - why didn't he just leave his body in LA - so he wouldn't have the competition when they were back on the island? I think that Ben really does NEED John.

Yes, I remember that. I thought Michael was told, though, he couldn't die until the island was done with him - that the island would decide when it was his time to go.

 

[Amy]

And, yes I'm thinking Sun is the woman who went off with the pilot.

I really don't think so.....Sun went back to find Jin; I don't think she'd leave the island without him.

 

[Amy]

Yes, I remember that. I thought Michael was told, though, he couldn't die until the island was done with him - that the island would decide when it was his time to go.

You're right....right before the freighter blew up, Christian appeared to MIchael and told him "you can go now". The island was done with him.

 

[beattyfamily]

Oh yes, I remember when Tom visited Michael and told him he cannot kill himself. People who go off the island cannot die.

Also, when Ben visited Witmore to tell him he will kill Penny, Witmore said something to the same effect, that Ben couldn't kill him.

Interesting.

 

[Camster0307]

I really don't think so.....Sun went back to find Jin; I don't think she'd leave the island without him.

I didn't think the pilot and the mystery woman were leaving the island; I thought they just wanted to get off that beach and away from everyone and the boat was the quickest means to do it. I mean, with Frank being the pilot, he knows there's no where to row to; I'm thinking he and Sun are just rowing to a different side of the island.

Not sure why she didn't disappear off the plane like Jack, Kate, and Hurley though. And where is Sayid?

 

[Amy]

I didn't think the pilot and the mystery woman were leaving the island; I thought they just wanted to get off that beach and away from everyone and the boat was the quickest means to do it. I mean, with Frank being the pilot, he knows there's no where to row to; I'm thinking he and Sun are just rowing to a different side of the island.

Not sure why she didn't disappear off the plane like Jack, Kate, and Hurley though. And where is Sayid?

What makes you think Sun didn't disappear off the plane like Jack, Kate and Hurley? Did I miss something? Just because we haven't seen her doesn't mean she didn't flash with them and ended up somewhere else.

 

[karajeboo]

I'm going with Ben being the evil one. I really softened to Whidmore last night. He seem genuine, and it makes sense that Ben would of exiled him if he was a chosen leader.

It sounded like Widmore was telling the truth last night about being exciled by Ben when he was younger (4 days in real time according to Locke!!! Crazy!) so I'm beginning to thing that Ben really is the bad guy.

Does anyone else feel they really need a drink after watching this show? OMG - so tense!

Only EVERY week!

So I thought Ben stopped Locke from killing himself because he needed to hear the name of who could help him get back to the island; once Locke told him Eloise Hawkings, Ben didn't need him anymore. Besides, doesn't Ben really believe that Locke has to be dead in order to convince the others to go back?

I'm hoping we're not done with Walt either. There's too many unanswered questions with him. I was kind of surprised though that Matthew seemed to lump Walt into the group that Locke needs to convince to go back. Did anyone else catch that? Locke visited Sayid; then Walt - and Matthew told him "you're 0 for 2, John."

I caught this too.....

And, yes I'm thinking Sun is the woman who went off with the pilot.

Why can't Ben get back on his own? We know he used to come and go from the island, so why not now? And since Ben has gone through what Locke did to get off the island, I think he is in the know about how everyone must get back, so like others have said, when he saw that John was about to commit suicide, did he kill him because he knew that was the only way he could die?

You're right....right before the freighter blew up, Christian appeared to MIchael and told him "you can go now". The island was done with him.

Yup. And we al know that the island needs JOhn, so I do think he is REALLY alive. I wonder if Ben and Locke are with the survivors because they were not sitting in first class when the plane went down. Remember Ben had left Jack to read the letter, and of course Locke was in with luggage under the plane. So that could explain how they ended up with Cesar and Alanna, and the rest of the survivors.

Anyone else yelling at Locke to just put a bullet in Ben's brain while he was laying there?

 

[Amy]

It sounded like Widmore was telling the truth last night about being exciled by Ben when he was younger (4 days in real time according to Locke!!! Crazy!) so I'm beginning to thing that Ben really is the bad guy.

Why can't Ben get back on his own? We know he used to come and go from the island, so why not now? And since Ben has gone through what Locke did to get off the island, I think he is in the know about how everyone must get back, so like others have said, when he saw that John was about to commit suicide, did he kill him because he knew that was the only way he could die?

Didn't Ben tell Locke that whoever moves the island can never go back? Or was that another one of Ben's lies? Another poster said that perhaps Ben is with the other flight 316 passengers because the island is done with him.

I agree with you....I think Widmore is the good guy and Ben is the bad guy. Of course, there's still a lot of the back story we don't know; I'm sure in the weeks ahead, they'll show us more and we'll think Ben is the good guy!

 

[Camster0307]

What makes you think Sun didn't disappear off the plane like Jack, Kate and Hurley? Did I miss something? Just because we haven't seen her doesn't mean she didn't flash with them and ended up somewhere else.

Good point. I guess I was just assuming since she wasn't with the other three; she crashed with the rest of the passengers. I know it was announced that a new female character had joined the cast - I thought it was the cop accompanying Sayid; maybe it's the woman in the boat with Frank and we haven't met her yet.

Why can't Ben get back on his own? We know he used to come and go from the island, so why not now? And since Ben has gone through what Locke did to get off the island, I think he is in the know about how everyone must get back, so like others have said, when he saw that John was about to commit suicide, did he kill him because he knew that was the only way he could die?

Ben can't get back to the island because he can't find it; it's been time travelling.

 

[brerrabbit]

The plane crashed landed on the other island. It's the one where they took Kate, Sawyer and Jack, when Jack did the surgery on Ben. Remember they were making Sawyer and Kate break rocks for a runway. Whoever is with Frank must have known that they were not on the "right" island and took off to find the rest of the survivors on the main island.

 

[1LuckyMom]

WOW!!! What a show!

If I remember correctly Lapidus only flew back and forth to the freighter. So unless he was with someone else (Sun?) who knew more about the island then I'm not sure he would just take off in a boat.