The nothing negative about Disney post

Thank you for this. Such a great reminder. I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments but really needed the reminder tonight. We leave next week and I get SO caught up in the planning and making sure everything is perfect that I sometimes lose sight of what it's all about. I will be in DISNEY WORLD at AKL with my fiance for ten days. We are so lucky to be able to take such an awesome trip - and twice in one year at that! - and to have each other to spend it with. THAT'S what it's about!

Thank you :)
 
* I really just wanted to create my own tiny ray of sunshine for myself and other DIS'ers to bask in. Sometimes I go a little crazy like that.

:) Crazy is good!

OP, clearly you just have low expectations, so you can go on naively loving Disney World. ;) I'll be there with ya. FP+ coming up in the next couple weeks, can't wait!! It's been 4 months of waiting since ADRs!
 
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Magpie, I think we are actually meeting each other halfway here (and I didn't know if we ever would ), I think the implicit message in your response is "I understand to those people it SEEMS like the biggest issue in the world, but its not, its quite common to have little glitches and stuff" ... "BUT, disney does bear some blame because they SELL people on the idea of the perfect vacation" ... let me know if I am on or off on that there, don't want to put words in your mouth by any means.

But no no I didn't mean to be the flip side of the whole "Great, vacation somewhere else more room for me" I really can't stand that from people here, I just meant to call out the logical fallacy from the OP. By saying the vacation is only what your attitude makes it denies that WDW offers us something that is awesome !!! They do things that other places don't, thats WHY I love disney world, that's why I keep going back. Now in my mind they are doing less, and charging more, but to me the value is still there ... but I am still going to complain about and highlight where I see the value being taken away.

I wasn't telling the OP to go vacation somewhere else, I was asking (to pull our the logical fallacy) IF (big IF) a vacation is only what your attitude makes it, why its necessary to go to WDW at all, why not just stay home, or go to a six flags, or whatever, and use your attitude to "make" it as good as a WDW vacation.

Hope that clarifies a little ... ???

That does! :)

The whole, "who are you to..." thing always puts my back up, but you've explained yourself well.

Disney does offer an awesome experience. Unlike you, I haven't noticed a decline. Sure some things have gone by the way, but Disney keeps building new stuff and offering new experiences. I think the fact that the parks are in a constant state of flux is one of the things that keeps drawing me back. I'm sorry to lose the Maelstrom, but I'm excited to try the new Frozen ride.

I guess it's the teacher in me... I can't say something critical without also pointing out something I liked. :thumbsup2 This board can get so negative sometimes, I'm sympathetic to any effort to correct the balance, and maybe remind us of why we do keep going back.
 

Never mind - the poster I was responding to deleted his message.
 
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Maybe it helps people be present and enjoy the moment while on the trip itself when they know they can express/vent frustration on the boards when they come home? I would imagine some people feel safe venting here because they know that they are among people who love Disney. We are leaving one month from today, and I'm worried about attendance at the MNSSHP on 10/18 and 10/20 because we had such an awesome experience at the party last year. I do wish they would keep attendance low like it was last year when we went, but even if not, I will definitely not let it upset me while I'm at the party surrounded by my family. It's Disney - I can't be unhappy there!
 
Since this really is not "Theme Parks Attractions and Strategies" specific, I'm moving it to the Community Board sub forum.
 
Online forums are notorious for griping, criticizing, and arguing over petty crap. This board is no exception. I think it must fulfill a deep-seated need in many people, myself included at times. Because even complaining about Walt Disney World on a message board is a form of escapism.
A lot of people on this board visit Disney quite frequently. Familiarity often breeds contempt. Likewise, misery loves company.
This phenomenon is not particular to the Disboards. Go to IMDb and read the message boards for various movies. There are far more "haters" who feel the need to voice their negative opinions than those who have positive things to say.
I find that the disgruntled seem to be more compelled to take to the forums and message boards to vent their frustrations. People who are content with whatever is being discussed just don't have the need to post much about it.
I love WDW, and even if I can't get a single FastPass or ADR that I want, I'll still love it. I haven't been for almost 17 years. All I want is for me and my parents to be in good health when spring rolls around, our drive down to be safe, and our time together to be memorable. The older they get, the more aware I am that every day I have with them is a gift. I have no family of my own, and after my brother's untimely and tragic death, I'm all they have left. You'd better believe I want us to have a great time, I just don't think FP+ and ADRs are all that important in the grand scheme of things. But for those who get riled up about meeting women dressed like cartoon characters and a bridge being closed at a certain resort, I hope those are the biggest problems in their lives because the are truly blessed indeed.

I have to respectfully disagree. There isn't anywhere close to as much negativity (almost none really) on Easywdw as there is here. Granted this forum has many more members, but this forum really tends to lend itself to the "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING" mentality.
 
I have to respectfully disagree. There isn't anywhere close to as much negativity (almost none really) on Easywdw as there is here. Granted this forum has many more members, but this forum really tends to lend itself to the "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING" mentality.
This is the only Disney forum I've ever been on, so I wouldn't know. I was referring to the non-Disney forums I've participated in. Everything from teaching to movies to dogs, there seems to be a lot of negativity. Griping, bashing, being snarky. And inevitably someone complains about the complaining. Then the complainers come in to complain about the fact that they're being complained about. LOL. Vicious cycle.
If I don't feel like reading negative discussions, I steer clear of threads that have negativity in the titles. There are plenty of positive things to read here. The trip reports and "happy dance" sections are good for getting me pumped about my trip. The whining about the FastPass+ system has become so prevalent I just scroll on past those threads. The gripes about the parties don't apply to me so I scroll past those too.
I was a bit disappointed that this "positive" thread was actually a place to complain about negativity. Kind of defeated the purpose.
 
I love Disney. I love the parks, the ADRs, FP+ - I love it all. Things do go wrong and make me unhappy whilst I am there, or planning, but do you know what - I go to spend time with my family... and if I am moaning about the fact I couldn't get a SDMT FP+ then what is that teaching my daughter? That she's entitled because she's going to Disney? Can't get a SDMT - so be it. If we're that desperate to ride, we will queue. Can't get that ADR - I'll keep on trying, until the departure point - still don't get it, there are other eateries in the world...

I get that the boards are place to vent - and I've done my fair share. What I can't abide is people complaining in the front of their children; it makes them believe that they "deserve" these things. When really, no one does

**waiting to be shot down in flames**
 
The fundamental difference between the positive and the negative posts in this thread appears to be the "optimists" are saying it is their family and their memories that make the trip while the "pessimists" seem to be suggesting that Disney is not doing it's best to make the trip worthwhile in the first place. I use quotations because I think it boils down to two different sets of expectations more than being optimistic or pessimistic.

Ultimately it comes down to expectations. I fall in the camp that believes I am paying Disney to offer up some experiences that wow my kids and give them a way to connect with the worlds and characters they watch on TV and read about. The trip is for them first and foremost. So if we don't get towel animals, or room service is late, or a ride has a long line, or I can't get a certain ADR, or Hollywood Studios is an empty shell because they have closed half the park in prep for construction - then the first thing I do is ask myself if it will have a negative impact on my kids perception and enjoyment.

For example, I found out after we booked our trip that they were doing construction on Wilderness Lodge, which is where we were booked. I waited to see what the extent of the construction was, and after seeing the number of amenities that would be down and considering that it wouldn't be very "outdoorsy" to have bulldozers and construction equipment around (which in turn would ruin the 'magic' of Disney for my kids and make the entire place appear to be that much more mundane) I decided I should look into alternatives. But, before I had a chance too, Disney contacted me and asked if there was anything they could do to fix the situation. Moments later we were upgraded to a new resort, and the issue was resolved.

Last time I went to the parks, the worst part of it was other people. All the drunks at the Food & Wine festival for example. Or the entitled punk families who push their way around and seem to be absolutely miserable about the whole experience.

I have a feeling that miserable family has several members on this board.

No one is telling anyone else how they HAVE to feel here. I got the impression the OP was just looking for a thread where people could post positive experiences or thoughts about Disney. I have no idea why that offends some of you or why others decided that she was telling you how to think or how to "adjust your attitude". Even if her wording suggested that much, isn't it easier to just move along as opposed to go into a thread that is designed for purpose A specifically to tout purpose B? When I see a thread about Maelstrom these days, I avoid it like the plague. I am beyond sick of people whining about it. So what good does it do me to go into that thread when i already know what they are going to be saying and I already know the posters are so fervent in their disgust over the defacing of the world pavilion that there is absolutely nothing I can say to make a difference.

I'm rambling now, but I had two points. The first is simply that different folks have different expectations when it comes to a vacation. It appears that those who have the biggest chips on their shoulders also have the highest expectations. And secondly, while everyone is entitled to moan and complain, why not let the OP have one thread full of positive posts. I may not see things as perfect and sunshiney as others on the board, but I don't feel the need to rush in and rain on parades either. There are some very childish posts in this thread that seem to boil down to, "I disagree so LISTEN TO ME LISTEN TO ME LISTEN TO ME AND SEE IT MY WAY". The op asked for a positive post. Can she not have it?

Feel free to go and start a post all about the negative things about Disney and I will defend your right to have that post just as much as I'll defend this OP's right to ask for this thread.

I think there is another group of posters, in addition to optimists and pessimists: the Frustrated. I've been going to Disney for almost 18 years (planning our 27th trip), and a LOT has changed. Not just changed, but disappeared and not replaced. It's not that people are upset over the change of a napkin or the shift from resort-specific to generic mugs, per se. I can look over the years and see what Disney WAS and what it's become, and how much more it costs. I think the only expectations I have when going to Disney is that it's going to be as amazing as it was last time, and it's frustrating when it's NOT. I know what Disney can be, as opposed to what it IS. Has it stopped me from going to the World and having a good time? NO... but I remember what Disney was over the years, how it's changed, and it's frustrating to feel that they aren't putting their best foot forward anymore.
 
I love Disney. I love the parks, the ADRs, FP+ - I love it all. Things do go wrong and make me unhappy whilst I am there, or planning, but do you know what - I go to spend time with my family... and if I am moaning about the fact I couldn't get a SDMT FP+ then what is that teaching my daughter? That she's entitled because she's going to Disney? Can't get a SDMT - so be it. If we're that desperate to ride, we will queue. Can't get that ADR - I'll keep on trying, until the departure point - still don't get it, there are other eateries in the world...

I get that the boards are place to vent - and I've done my fair share. What I can't abide is people complaining in the front of their children; it makes them believe that they "deserve" these things. When really, no one does

**waiting to be shot down in flames**

No flames, but there is a difference between entitlement and getting value out of your hard-earned money. I'm not entitled to a Disney vacation because I'm breathing, but I want a good experience when I drop thousands of dollars for a week. Now, I understand I am no more entitled to SDMT than the next guest paying for entry, but if I put in thousands of dollars, and I can only eat at the Wave, quick service, and ride the Teacups...would I have a good time, sure, but it would NOT be $7K worth of a good time.
 
I think there is another group of posters, in addition to optimists and pessimists: the Frustrated. I've been going to Disney for almost 18 years (planning our 27th trip), and a LOT has changed. Not just changed, but disappeared and not replaced. It's not that people are upset over the change of a napkin or the shift from resort-specific to generic mugs, per se. I can look over the years and see what Disney WAS and what it's become, and how much more it costs. I think the only expectations I have when going to Disney is that it's going to be as amazing as it was last time, and it's frustrating when it's NOT. I know what Disney can be, as opposed to what it IS. Has it stopped me from going to the World and having a good time? NO... but I remember what Disney was over the years, how it's changed, and it's frustrating to feel that they aren't putting their best foot forward anymore.

Things change. Getting frustrated over that is like pissing in the wind. Sure, your perfectly within your rights to do it, but I really don't want to be around at the time.

There is a terrible tendency for people to want the familiar. I remember reading a thread last year where this poster was going on about the "best chicken tenders" at some QS counter in frontierland, or something along those lines. And was essentially threatening to never return to WDW due to that particular item being removed from the menu. It boils down to the fact that in a rain storm years ago they ducked in to this place and had an amazing meal. Whether it was amazing because of how it was prepared (unlikely) versus the timing of that particular moment (likely), doesn't really matter. All the "magic" of that moment was transferred to those chicken tenders. And so, on every trip after that, they ate those chicken tenders to relive that magical moment. Now that moment was gone and this person was pissed.

The inherent flaw here is that a person goes to WDW, something happens that is extremely memorable for them, and they go back repeatedly to recapture THAT moment. That is a formula for disappointment. Hoping that "magical" feeling happens at all, no matter where it's from, is the best one can hope for. Disney is catering to millions of families every year. They have to change. And every change "destroys" a groups magical memory. It is up to us, as the visitors, to leave ourselves open to experiencing new "magic". And that is almost impossible if we are walking around frustrated over the things that we miss or are changing. Sure, Disney has a responsibility to try and wow us and make our trips magical, but its is NOT a one way street. Not being receptive is a total deal killer and make's Disney's job impossible.

All that time spent eating those same chicken tenders over and over because it was so special 10 trips ago could have been spent stumbling into a new 'magical' moment. And how can those chicken tenders ever be as special as they were that first time. Now they are coasting on nostalgia. And inevitably, as that memory fades and the taste of the tenders becomes more defining than the original moment, we become more and more disappointing each time we visit. And we blame it on Disney for not making them as good as they used to be, when the reality is, they were never THAT good. They were always just friggin chicken tenders. It was the MOMENT that was special. And YOU made that moment, Disney inadvertently facilitated it. But now the experience is deteriorating, and finally one day it is gone forever, and so that particular part of Frontierland is now forever mared by the chicken tenders that no longer exist (even though the exact same ones are still getting heated up in a QS counter just down the way in adventureland or tomorrowland, or fantasyland, or where ever).

You say things are disappearing and not being replaced, I can point to hundreds of new things that have been added over the years. The difference is, they aren't things that, presumably, you have an attachment to - so they don't hold much stock in your book.

No one is saying that people don't have the "right" to complain. And everyone knows that misery loves company. The problem is when that misery goes toxic, and seeks out people who are still finding magic at Disney and seeking to tear that down because for whatever reason, they are frustrated, pessimistic, think Disney is a corporate beats that doesn't care about people, or whatever other justification they come up with.
 
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So I have a couple of thoughts about this.

1) IMO, the Dis is not an objective place for reviews. It's a great place for information though. When I give trip reports I tend to give what I call "the good, the bad, the ugly". Now when I say X restaurant is lousy or that mousekeeping sucked. I'm not saying I had a horrible time, I'm giving a report of brief instance in time. . I rarely do long trip reports, just not worth the drama. and I get totally insulted when people tell me that it's somehow "my" fault. Like if I say my room was not clean upon arrival why do I get "well, you should have contacted the front desk". excuse me, but at 500 bucks a night I shouldn't HAVE to contact anyone and even if I do (which I always take care of issues when I'm there) should I not mention it in a trip report.

IMO the dis doesn't really want the truth. we want the pixie dust version


2) I totally admit, I never feel "lucky" or "privileged" to visit WDW. for me luck does not have absolutely a thing to do with it. my family and I sacrifice to go. I can't begin to tell you how ridiculously hard we work. If I didn't have the money to go, Disney wouldn't think about letting me in. so no I am not "blessed" to be able to go. I worked for the ability to vacation .

3) For me it's also not about new things replacing old. I'm glad when Disney upgrades. It's when the replace old things with no so great stuff (or what I perceive as not giving me the same entertainment value) that I get annoyed at. So I totally disagree, familiarity has very little to do with it. when you take the ddp, charge more for it, give me less (use to have tips included) lol, sorry that ain't "memory" that's basic math. Whether it's Disney, the size of the ice cream container or my health insurance, I don't like it when you charge me more for something and now I get less.

ACTUALLY it's the memories that keep me coming to Disney. I can honestly say that no other place would I tolerate the overall slide in many areas that I've noticed at the world and still go. It really is the great times we had in the beginning that keep us going back.

This last trip (late August) we went and had a great time. We noticed some really great improvements and hope that trend continues. we are taking a break until they finish upgrading HS and AK
 
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I'm itching to post something positive. :)

I'm so glad I started planning this trip way back at the end of July! My, how plans have changed. Our original plan was 4 nights at CBR with 3-day Park Hoppers and the Deluxe Dining Plan! (What the HECK was I thinking?) Then I joined this site, and lo, the wisdom (Disdom?) washed over me. I downgraded to the regular dining plan and began paying attention to restaurant reviews, FastPass+ suggestions, and touring plans. I read up on trip reports (love those). I read about other resorts. I looked at other people's pre-trip plans. I learned about crowd levels and EMHs.

Eventually, I ditched the dining plan altogether. That was the first weight off my back. I couldn't figure out HOW we would eat all of that food in that short amount of time.

Next I added an extra day to our stay. Whew! Now we were talking! That extra day seemed to open up all new opportunities. But I was still troubled. Just wasn't feeling the resort choice.

So I switched to Coronado Springs! It's been almost 17 years, but that's where we stayed back then and we loved it. I was stoked to make that switch!

But wait. I was still stressing over the scheduling of FP+. Sure, it's a long way off, but with 180 days fast approaching I needed a basic idea of where we'd be on what days so I'd know where to try to grab any ADRs. And with Park Hopping, I felt obligated to make sure we got our $214 (or whatever) worth by trying to hit more than one park on at least MOST of the days. It was frustrating! It seemed like we were going to spend most of our time "hopping" instead of DOING STUFF. I was scheduling us to leave one park and go to another JUST to validate having the hopper.

Well no-brainer! I dropped the Park Hopper! Boom! And because I was also a little worried about getting a room in the "back 40" at Coronado, I used that $214 (or whatever) to upgrade to a preferred room!

I now have just ONE day of our WDW vacation left to plan out in detail. I open up the park maps at the WDW site, and virtually go through a particular day in a particular park, adding to our agenda all of the things we want to see, do, and eat as we make our way around. I note where FastPasses will be needed and at about what times those will need to be in order to keep the flow of the day (luckily, we don't care about the "big" rides...Peter Pan and the parades will be our hardest FP+ to get). And it's so relaxing not having to worry the dining plan or park hopping. Those just weren't going to work for us.

But I never would have realized all of this if I hadn't started planning so early, and hadn't come here to the DIS! I'm so glad I did! Thanks Disers!
 














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