The nothing negative about Disney post

[Dentam]

I think that these are the folks that the OP was referring to when she started this thread.

I guess I got confused by the "nothing negative" title. There will always be pros and cons and people shouldn't feel bad about expressing either if it's done in a constructive way.

 

[Dentam]

There are some very childish posts in this thread that seem to boil down to, "I disagree so LISTEN TO ME LISTEN TO ME LISTEN TO ME AND SEE IT MY WAY".

I haven't seen any posts in this thread that struck me as having the tone you describe. ??

 

[mkla2015]

Thanks OP, it's always nice to read a positive post around here!! I understand that people need to vent and that's fine but some people do go a little overboard! Disney is a huge company and there are tons of people visiting there daily- I'm not going to stress out and say my trip is ruined if I can't get a BOG dinner reservation at 645pm on a Friday night or if I can't get a FP+ to meet Anna and Elsa. I'll still continue to go to Disney and enjoy my vacations there with my family.

 

[dixiegirl]

eXo - extremely well said - I love the boards for the incredible amount of invaluable information (both positive and negative) that is offered by our DIS experts. I can appreciate constructive properly applied criticism with the best of them however it does seem often though that there are those out there that just cannot let one positive thread live on and thrive without sharing their opposition.

OP - as I said earlier - keep on trucking with your pixie dust.

 

[SaintsManiac]

The FP threads are some of my biggest sources of entertainment lately. Great for laughs

 

[eXo]

I haven't seen any posts in this thread that struck me as having the tone you describe. ??

I don't want to call any particular users out here as I'm not looking to start any feuds, but there are several posts that add nothing to this conversation. Some of them are short snarky comments that appear to simply be intended to insult while others tend to be long defenses of ones negative POV that quickly devolves into snarky comebacks to anyone who tries to discuss it with them.

To me, when a person enters a thread and posts an antagonistic point of view (in this context, going into a thread pleading for positivity and railing on about why it's ok to be negative is antagonistic) should understand there is going to be pushback and willing to civilly discuss their point of view for more than a few lines without devolving into attacks on the op. To define, "attacks" can be anything that suggests the other user is naive, ignorant, or otherwise gullible for choosing not to wallow in their criticisms. A person who is not capable of coming into a thread they disagree with and having a civil conversation boils down to the "LISTEN TO ME" hyperbole I posted. It may not be as blatant, but it still shows no intent to listen to any discussion, and instead only rail against the original post.

Unfortunately, it is a characteristic of many forums these days. They are less about discussion than they are about two diametrically opposed points of view lobbing anecdotes and wikipedia facts back and forth at each other. So I can't blame the OP for asking for a positive thread.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Well, I can certainly "roll with the punches" while ON vacation and still have a fantastic trip, and then come home and complain here about how long FP+ took to set up or how often MDE glitched.

Exactly! And even vice versa too...complaining about FP+ or ADRs or whatever before your trip doesn't mean one is unable to toss that aside once *on* their trip and have the trip of a lifetime. I'll freely admit I had issues with the preplanning frustration before our trip last year. Once I was on ME and on my way to WDW, though? Wasn't thinking about anything other than how excited I was to be at WDW. ETA: We had a fantastic adults only trip and came home excited to bring DD back to Disney again soon..and we're headed to DLR this year to make that happen

I think sometimes it's lost or forgotten that venting/complaining can be a very short term thing. And venting/discussing those frustrations with others who understand can - many times - *help* the person venting/complaining get over it faster specifically so that they do enjoy their vacation. Talking through things with others is one of the most effective ways of working through frustration.

I can totally understand not wanting to deal with someone else's frustration too, though - that's the great thing about the preview function on this board. Just a little hovering over the title and I can see whether or not a post is something I want to read or participate in. No need to click in and read things that will end up frustrating me!

 

[JimmyV]

No one is telling anyone else how they HAVE to feel here. I got the impression the OP was just looking for a thread where people could post positive experiences or thoughts about Disney. I have no idea why that offends some of you or why others decided that she was telling you how to think or how to "adjust your attitude"...

The op asked for a positive post. Can she not have it?

I understand exactly what you are saying. But I don't think that this thread ran off the rails because of anything that the OP said as much as it was people wanting to respond to a follow-up post that said:

But when I see the many posts when people just come here to vent or complain or moan about something involving Disney, I find it to be pretty toxic, frankly. I just want to remind those people (and sometimes I have) that "If it bothers you so much that you need to take time out of your life to whine about it on the internet to strangers, then perhaps it's time for you to find a new vacation destination.

Plenty of people have explained their reasoning as to why it is OK to vent (on a Disney World discussion board) at some negative issues, while at the same time not feeling compelled to "go away" and find a new place to take vacations. That was a fairly acerbic statement and it was only natural that people would want to react to it. Unfortunately, the OP's original sentiment is getting caught in the cross-fire.

 

[Dentam]

To me, when a person enters a thread and posts an antagonistic point of view (in this context, going into a thread pleading for positivity and railing on about why it's ok to be negative is antagonistic) should understand there is going to be pushback and willing to civilly discuss their point of view for more than a few lines without devolving into attacks on the op. To define, "attacks" can be anything that suggests the other user is naive, ignorant, or otherwise gullible for choosing not to wallow in their criticisms. A person who is not capable of coming into a thread they disagree with and having a civil conversation boils down to the "LISTEN TO ME" hyperbole I posted. It may not be as blatant, but it still shows no intent to listen to any discussion, and instead only rail against the original post.

Huh... I've been in threads like you described and have to say this one seems pretty civil to me.

 

[GreatLakes]

 

[eXo]

That was a fairly acerbic statement and it was only natural that people would want to react to it. Unfortunately, the OP's original sentiment is getting caught in the cross-fire.

Quite valid point, but the cross-fire itself is pointless. Besides, I do tend to see a lot more negative threads and sentiments than positive ones on the boards. Most positive sentiments are in defense of a negative assertion. Certain board members must be Seventh Day Adventists who believe Iger is the literal Devil. Others seem to revel in calling out GREED anytime they think Disney is trying to make a buck off someone. In one moment they will blast the company for not putting any money into the parks and letting them rot while SIMULTANEOUSLY complaining when the park gets a huge cash infusion that they aren't spending the money right, they are defacing walt's dream, and they are taking too long to build anything.

There are so many VALID criticisms of the Parks (that are actually constructive) that I find it absolutely unproductive and pointless to constantly lob these dodgeballs at soft targets that boil down to preference over perfection. As another poster said, ANYTHING that Disney changes - there will be a post here about how Walt is rolling over in his grave, And if Disney isn't announcing any changes? Oh well, then there are posts about how they are leaving the parks to rot. The irony? Some of the most vocal critics are DVC owners who are essentially bankrolling the very place they believe they could run better.

At what point does walking down Main Street no longer evoke fun, fantasy, and escapism and instead just provoke a laundry list of "how things used to be better"? And when that point comes, how does trying to spread that misery to others help cope with it?

Sure, it's ridiculous to tell others to just go vacation somewhere else. It is just as ridiculous to try and convince those who enjoy the place that they are sheep in a tragic kingdom. I'm not accusing you of that, but others here have gone that route.

The short of it is, it's easier to ignore a post obviously full of a contradicting point of view than it is to pointlessly engage. There are enough other threads about the downfall of Disney around here. This didn't need to be yet another.

 

[JimmyV]

The short of it is, it's easier to ignore a post obviously full of a contradicting point of view than it is to pointlessly engage.

But "pointless" is always in the eye of the beholder. And few people will ever admit that their posts are the pointless ones. It is always the other people's posts which are pointless.

 

[Dentam]

Nobody goes there any more. It's too crowded.

~Yogi Berra

Just saw this. Funny, yet I don't really see how this quote shows any understanding of what I was saying.

 

[Magpie]

Just saw this. Funny, yet I don't really see how this quote shows any understanding of what I was saying.

You speculated that, even if some folks find the status quo at Disney too overwhelming and stop going, there might always be plenty of people who are willing or even happy to put up with the craziness. Extroverts who love crowds, perhaps.

I was agreeing with you. Heck, there are even people who wax rhapsodic about the Magic Kingdom on Christmas Day! I think they're crazy, but there sure do seem to be a lot of them.

 

[Dentam]

You speculated that, even if some folks find the status quo at Disney too overwhelming and stop going, there might always be plenty of people who are willing or even happy to put up with the craziness. Extroverts who love crowds, perhaps.

I was agreeing with you. Heck, there are even people who wax rhapsodic about the Magic Kingdom on Christmas Day! I think they're crazy, but there sure do seem to be a lot of them.

I see - gotcha! I am hopped up on cold medicine and antibiotics today since I'm still battling a sinus infection and strep throat that I apparently picked up on our trip last week. Sorry for my foggy brain. Maybe I should start a ranting thread about how Disney should require everyone to use hand sanitizers throughout the park like they do on cruise ships!

 

[LinderInWonderland]

The beautiful thing about message boards is that you can find a post about anything you want to talk about, and if it doesn't exist, you can create one!

Thanks for this thread! I am super-excited for our upcoming trip to WDW this spring and have been mocking up potential itineraries for months. Last year we had a great time playing with MDE right up until our trip. DSIL planned the initial itinerary, DH and I added ADRs where we wanted to treat her for taking us. Getting the box with the Mickey USB confused us, but we were dying with laughter once we figured out what it was. It was DH's first ever trip and it was magical as all get out.

 

[5kidsmommy]

The only thing i don't like in Disney it is that i have to return at home! Nooooooooooo!

It is The only place on Earth where i can feel great with my disability. Return Time is awsome! I can relax on a bench, sip my iced water and take The Time to look all fantastic is that i am there.

Me too!! It's my happy place. A place where the outside world ceases to exist and all the stress of life is erased. I love it.

 

[10-4 Good Buddy]

Quite valid point, but the cross-fire itself is pointless. Besides, I do tend to see a lot more negative threads and sentiments than positive ones on the boards. Most positive sentiments are in defense of a negative assertion. Certain board members must be Seventh Day Adventists who believe Iger is the literal Devil. Others seem to revel in calling out GREED anytime they think Disney is trying to make a buck off someone. In one moment they will blast the company for not putting any money into the parks and letting them rot while SIMULTANEOUSLY complaining when the park gets a huge cash infusion that they aren't spending the money right, they are defacing walt's dream, and they are taking too long to build anything.

There are so many VALID criticisms of the Parks (that are actually constructive) that I find it absolutely unproductive and pointless to constantly lob these dodgeballs at soft targets that boil down to preference over perfection. As another poster said, ANYTHING that Disney changes - there will be a post here about how Walt is rolling over in his grave, And if Disney isn't announcing any changes? Oh well, then there are posts about how they are leaving the parks to rot. The irony? Some of the most vocal critics are DVC owners who are essentially bankrolling the very place they believe they could run better.

At what point does walking down Main Street no longer evoke fun, fantasy, and escapism and instead just provoke a laundry list of "how things used to be better"? And when that point comes, how does trying to spread that misery to others help cope with it?

Sure, it's ridiculous to tell others to just go vacation somewhere else. It is just as ridiculous to try and convince those who enjoy the place that they are sheep in a tragic kingdom. I'm not accusing you of that, but others here have gone that route.

The short of it is, it's easier to ignore a post obviously full of a contradicting point of view than it is to pointlessly engage. There are enough other threads about the downfall of Disney around here. This didn't need to be yet another.

That is quite an eloquent post even if there's a bit more exaggeration than necessary. I suppose the issue is that internet forums really aren't structured debate platforms, they are more like informal conversations. Viewing them as such with the expectation that they follow formal rules of debate will probably lead to great disappointment. The initial post as well as the responses that follow will be as varied as the personalities involved. What I don't think you would stand for and would also disappoint me are direct personal attacks on others - something I have not seen in this thread.

 

[minniemous]

I don't want to call any particular users out here as I'm not looking to start any feuds, but there are several posts that add nothing to this conversation. Some of them are short snarky comments that appear to simply be intended to insult while others tend to be long defenses of ones negative POV that quickly devolves into snarky comebacks to anyone who tries to discuss it with them.

To me, when a person enters a thread and posts an antagonistic point of view (in this context, going into a thread pleading for positivity and railing on about why it's ok to be negative is antagonistic) should understand there is going to be pushback and willing to civilly discuss their point of view for more than a few lines without devolving into attacks on the op. To define, "attacks" can be anything that suggests the other user is naive, ignorant, or otherwise gullible for choosing not to wallow in their criticisms. A person who is not capable of coming into a thread they disagree with and having a civil conversation boils down to the "LISTEN TO ME" hyperbole I posted. It may not be as blatant, but it still shows no intent to listen to any discussion, and instead only rail against the original post.

Unfortunately, it is a characteristic of many forums these days. They are less about discussion than they are about two diametrically opposed points of view lobbing anecdotes and wikipedia facts back and forth at each other. So I can't blame the OP for asking for a positive thread.

The OP was not really all that positive in her opening thread. "When I hear people complain about the cost....". Why is he or she discussing who they deem negative people. She is calling more than half the board "complainers". Anyone who has ever posted any criticism of Disney is a complainer. He or she could have just created that positive thread about the things he or she looks forward to and loves about Disney etc. OP did not have to stir the pot by first condemning people who are critical of Disney.

Had the OP not "called out" everyone who has ever been critical of Disney on these boards he or she might have achieved that positive thread. I would have also enjoyed reading all the positive comments. I could be wrong but I think the lions share of the members on these boards love Disney World whether they are critical at times or not.

 

[Ambear]

I see - gotcha! I am hopped up on cold medicine and antibiotics today since I'm still battling a sinus infection and strep throat that I apparently picked up on our trip last week. Sorry for my foggy brain. Maybe I should start a ranting thread about how Disney should require everyone to use hand sanitizers throughout the park like they do on cruise ships!

Lol I'm with you there! I got an ear infection at the end of my last trip. And I was super careful about using sanitizer and hand washing. Someone prolly changed a diaper in a queue or something...