THE LIBERAL THREAD #3- No Debate Please

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I was poking around Gallup's website and came across this article, it explains the difference between "likely voter" and "registered voter" polls. I thought it was interesting! http://www.gallup.com/poll/110272/Registered-Voters-vs-Likely-Voters.aspx

Registered Voters vs. Likely Voters
Understanding the difference

by Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- We have received a number of questions about the difference between registered voters and likely voters when Gallup reports presidential election trial-heat results. Here's an explanation.

Not everyone votes in presidential elections. There are several ways to calculate voter turnout figures for an election, but in 2004, for example, experts estimate that only about 55% to 60% of the eligible voting population actually voted. (That's actually higher than was true in the 2000 election.)

When we interview a typical Gallup Poll random sample, we are estimating the responses of all adults 18 years of age and older. We call these national adults. In our recent poll conducted the weekend of Sept. 5-7, for example, John McCain led Barack Obama among these national adults by a 48% to 46% margin.

But we almost never report this figure. It's unrealistic to do so because we know that a percentage of these national adults not only won't vote, but can't vote -- because they are not U.S. citizens or are not registered to vote in their local areas.

So we narrow down the national adult sample to registered voters. This is the group who in response to a standard poll question say they are "registered to vote in their precinct or election district." This is the group whose data we report most often, because it represents an estimate of Americans who in theory are eligible to vote and could vote if they want to. In the Sept. 5-7 poll, this group divided 50% for McCain and 46% for Obama.

Of course, we know that in the final analysis, not all of these registered voters will actually end up voting. So Gallup has over the years created systems to isolate likely voters, that group of individuals who we can estimate are most likely to actually turn out and vote.

There are a variety of ways to estimate likely voters. Different pollsters and polling groups have different approaches. Gallup has spent decades developing our system, which we have found in election after election helps improve our accuracy in terms of how our final poll before an election compares to the actual vote percentages on Election Day itself.

Gallup's system consists of asking respondents a battery of questions about past voting, current interest in the election, and self-reported interest in voting. These include such questions as "How much thought have you given to the upcoming election for president?", "Do you happen to know where people who live in your neighborhood go to vote?", "Have you ever voted in your precinct or election district?", "Do you yourself plan to vote in the presidential election this November?", and "Rate your chances of voting in November's election for president on a scale of 1 to 10."

Putting all of this information together, we can assign each voter a score based on our estimate of his or her probability of actually voting. Based on assumptions about actual turnout, we use the scores to select the pool of voters that we think best represents a realistic pool of likely voters come Election Day. In the Sept. 5-7 poll, this group of likely voters went 54% for McCain, 44% for Obama.

Comparing across national adults, registered voters, and likely voters, one can see that at this point, shortly after the Republican National Convention, the more we winnow the sample down to voters with the highest likelihood of voting, the better McCain does. This is not unusual. The Republican candidate often benefits from a turnout advantage.

Here's an example. Gallup's final poll before the 2004 election showed the following:

Registered voters
George W. Bush 46%
John Kerry 48%

Likely voters
George W. Bush 49%
John Kerry 47%

Kerry was ahead among registered voters by 2 points, while Bush was ahead among likely voters by 2 points.

The final election result? Bush won the popular vote over Kerry by about 2.5 percentage points, almost exactly what our likely voter estimate predicted. Had we reported only registered voters, we would have estimated a Kerry victory. In other words, had all registered voters turned out in 2004, Kerry would have been elected president. But all registered voters didn't turn out. There was a Republican advantage among those who did turn out. And Bush won.

Two final notes.

Some observers have argued that the Obama campaign will successfully increase turnout among groups that typically are less likely to vote, including in particular young voters. We are keenly aware of these hypotheses and are continually and carefully analyzing our data to make sure we pick up any unique or unusual surge of turnout potential among certain subgroups of the population.

Second, we are at this point reporting likely voter estimates on only an occasional basis. We feel that the trends among registered voters give us the best way to track election preferences in our daily poll, in part because many voters are not yet in a position to accurately estimate their chances of voting on Election Day. But from time to time, we do estimate (and report) likely voter results to give us a feel for the potential difference turnout could make in November. So far this summer, there have been occasions when -- as was the case this past weekend after the GOP convention -- likely voters were decidedly more Republican. But there have also been occasions when there was little difference between the vote patterns of likely voters and those of registered voters. We will continue to monitor these patterns as Election Day draws closer.
 
Long overdue poll update!

Obama now leads by 8 points - 50% to McCain's 42%.

Oh, and following the Presidential debate just passed, polls say that Obama performed better than McCain by 46% to 34%.



Rich::
 
Just because...

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Rich::
 
good thing you're not from here Rich, they'd be telling you to leave the country if you don't like it. :)
 

(Another) Poll Update!

General election:
51% Obama
42% McCain

Consumer confidence:
4% Positive
83% Negative

Economic conditions:
10% Excellent/good
57% Poor

Economic outlook:
9% Getting better
88% Getting worse



Rich::
 
Who are those 10% that think economic conditions are excellent/good?!?
 
BBC News Article:

BBC News said:
The US presidential candidates have exchanged barbs as they prepare for a crucial debate on Tuesday evening.

Barack Obama accused John McCain of "smear tactics" and said he was not paying enough attention to the economic crisis that has been gripping the US.

John McCain said Mr Obama was "lying" about his ties to the home loan industry and asked what his rival had ever accomplished in government.

The campaign tone has turned nasty as polls show Mr Obama widening his lead.

The latest Gallup daily tracking poll puts Senator Obama at 50% and Senator McCain at 42%, while a new CNN poll put Mr Obama ahead by 53% to 45%.

Watch the second presidential debate live from Nashville, Tennessee from 0100 GMT, with full analysis, running commentary and voter reaction.

Mr Obama, the Democratic candidate, is still gaining in some of the key swing states as well. A new Washington Post poll puts him 6% ahead of Mr McCain in Ohio, a state the Republican candidate must take if he is to win the presidency.

The poll also showed that the Obama camp had a stronger organisation on the ground, with 43% of potential voters having been contacted by Democratic supporters, while only 33% had heard from McCain supporters.

And another poll, by Rasmussen, also puts Senator Obama ahead in Missouri, which had previously been seen as safely Republican.

With voter registration having closed in many key states on Monday, the evidence suggests that the majority of the four million new voters added to the electoral roles are registering as Democrats - for example, in Florida, it is by a two to one majority.

Whilst I welcome the unilateral shift towards Obama, I'm not so keen on the move towards nasty tactics being exhibited by both sides.



Rich::
 
At this stage in the race it looks like there's no stopping Obama!

He now leads by 11%:

52% - Obama
41% - McCain

Fingers crossed he holds or even improves on this lead!



Rich::
 
Poll shakedown!

Gallup Overall

Obama - 50%
McCain - 43%

Toss-up States

Navada
Obama - 49%
McCain - 46%

Colorado
Obama - 50%
McCain - 45%

Missouri
Obama - 49%
McCain - 47%

Florida
Obama - 50%
McCain - 45%

North Carolina
Obama - 48%
McCain - 47%

Ohio
Obama - 49%
McCain - 46%

Indiana
Obama - 49%
McCain - 45%

Virginia
Obama - 52%
McCain - 43%

Opinions - percentage of people left with a favourable opinion on respective candidates after the last debate

Obama - 66%
McCain - 51%

Who Won the Debate?

Obama
Uncommitted voters - 53%
All voters - 58%


McCain
Uncommitted voters - 22%
All voters - 31%


Tie/Unsure
Uncommitted voters - 25%
All voters - 11%

Who came out Strong on Issues?

Who gave the impression that they could manage he economy better?
Obama - 59%
McCain - 35%

Who gave the impression that he could do a better job on taxes?
Obama - 56%
McCain - 41%

Who gave the impression that he would do a better job on healthcare?
Obama - 62%
McCain - 31%

Which candidate expressed his views most clearly?
Obama - 66%
McCain - 25%

Which candidate spent most time attacking his opponent?
Obama - 7%
McCain - 80%

Which candidate seemed most like a typical politician?
Obama - 54%
McCain - 35%

Debate Word Count - words and/or phrases said in the last debate

Joe the Plumber
Obama - 4
McCain - 21

Middle Class/Working Americans
Obama - 6
McCain - 0

Economy/Economic Crisis
Obama - 22
McCain - 7

Jobs
Obama - 5
McCain - 10

True, if the election were held tomorrow, Obama would win hands down. However, we still have a few weeks left of campaigning so anything could happen!



Rich::
 
ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Sorry, I've never posted on this board but I had to get away from all the craziness to people who understand my plight. And once more:

ARRRGHHH! :mad: :mad: :mad:


Ok, that felt better. :cutie:
 
ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Sorry, I've never posted on this board but I had to get away from all the craziness to people who understand my plight. And once more:

ARRRGHHH! :mad: :mad: :mad:


Ok, that felt better. :cutie:

:hug:
 
Poll shakedown!

True, if the election were held tomorrow, Obama would win hands down. However, we still have a few weeks left of campaigning so anything could happen!




Which candidate spent most time attacking his opponent?
Obama - 80%
McCain - 7% Rich::

I saw them on CNN say this one was flipped. It was actually McCain 80% and Obama 7%.
 
ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Sorry, I've never posted on this board but I had to get away from all the craziness to people who understand my plight. And once more:

ARRRGHHH! :mad: :mad: :mad:


Ok, that felt better. :cutie:

It's okay. Some people on both sides are unable to see any point of view but their own. :hug:
 
ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Sorry, I've never posted on this board but I had to get away from all the craziness to people who understand my plight. And once more:

ARRRGHHH! :mad: :mad: :mad:


Ok, that felt better. :cutie:

Sorry the craziness is getting to you. Some days are better than others for me. Today has been an o.k. day for me.

Keep posting those polls. It's a little light at the end of the tunnel. Even though I know it's not in the bag, I'll take anything positive right now.

:grouphug: Hang in there!
 
:grouphug: Ahh thanks! I figured it was better to vent in here than go off on someone and get banned! :scared:

I'm not a fighter, but everyone just gets so worked up and start defending rubbish just because of the "side" they're on.

Love seeing the polls, though. I cannot wait untill November! Actually, I can't wait untill next year when Obama moves into the White House! :thumbsup2
 
What do you make of this article?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081017/pl_politico/14660_1

Honestly to me, as much as I find it funny, it also makes me nervous.
If I was a supporter of he who must not be named, this would have me more determined then before. Which could result in even more uglyness.

Yeah, but you know the networks have to be realistic. I'm really hoping that Democrats are nervous. We do have reason to be, if for no other reason than the outcomes of the last two presidential elections.

I do hope the networks cover the Senate and House races heavily; they're very important and are often overlooked.
 
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