The Liberal Thread #2 - No Debate Please

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But on the 'con' thread they're thrilled that McCain had no 'earmarks'. :confused3 So he's not helping his constituents by bringing money to his state but he's helping ....:confused: Oh, nevermind. I'm sure it makes sense the the Republicans.

he's helping bring money to another state. What a guy.

We're also thrilled that he's not a liar. Unlike Hillary "Sniperfire" Clinton and Barack "my parents conceived me during the march in Selma 4 years after I was born" Obama.

;)
 
he's helping bring money to another state. What a guy.

We're also thrilled that he's not a liar. Unlike Hillary "Sniperfire" Clinton and Barack "my parents conceived me during the march in Selma 4 years after I was born" Obama.

;)



Wow. So, he's the first politician in history that never lied? Is the Brooklyn Bridge for sale again? :rotfl2:
 

he's helping bring money to another state. What a guy.

We're also thrilled that he's not a liar. Unlike Hillary "Sniperfire" Clinton and Barack "my parents conceived me during the march in Selma 4 years after I was born" Obama.

;)

Thank you for the hysterical laugh. Feel free to google "McCain" and "Liar" or "Lies" and you'll pull up dozens of statements that attest to your attention to detail (or more accurately lack thereof).

I'll let the far-right American Spectator do the talking for me on this one. Verbatim, from their web site;

http://www.spectator.org/blogger.asp?BlogID=11071
A little while ago, NRO's Byron York asked Sen. McCain about John Fund's report that McCain would not appoint judges like Alito because they are too conservative. In the course of the conversation, McCain said these two things: "The ones who were left aside, I continued to fight for. We just ran out of
time and lost an election."
and
Finally, I asked McCain if he had anything else to say. "It's distressing,"
he told me, "on the day before a primary that something like this should
come up, because one, it's distracting, and two, I have done nothing but
support these people."

This is just a flat-out falsehood. One of the "ones who [was] left aside" was Pentagon chief counsel W. James Haynes, and not only did McCain NOT "support" Haynes, but he actively worked along with Lindsay Graham to block Haynes. In doing so, he not only went along with the block, but effectively joined a smear of a good man by putting forth the notion, first, that Haynes supported torture, and second, that Haynes lied about it. Both accusations are false. As I have done before, I link now to the two columns I wrote on the subject. They focus more on Graham's actions than McCain's, but the well-reported fact is that McCain was backing Graham to the hilt. At the time, I was giving McCain a pass (in effect, by leaving him out of my columns on the subject) because McCain himself had been tortured and so I could understand his sensitivity on the subject. But I have it on good authority that McCain finally was apprised, and as much as admitted privately, that Haynes was NOT responsible for promoting torture, yet McCain STILL did not do anything to call off his "beloved" Sen. Graham or to help Haynes get his nomination on track, or even to get his good name back after the smears Graham leveled against him. And he certainly never apologized for helping to kill Haynes' nomination.

The blocking of Haynes remains the single worst example of Republican perfidy concerning judges. McCain and Graham's actions were absolutely shameful. For Republican senators to block a Republican judicial nominee on spurious grounds, smearing him in the process, puts them in the same category as the Schumers, Leahys and Kennedys of the world. Frankly, it alone is disqualifying for the presidency. It is especially disqualifying when it is combined with all of the other asininities from Sen. McCain, right up to and including his widely reported lies this weekend about Mitt Romney's stance on war plans in Iraq.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, has covered the Haynes nomination to a greater degree than I have. The behavior of McCain and Graham sickened me -- almost literally. (At one point, contemplating the whole scenario, I literally got queasy, but not actually sick.) And the shame of it was, Haynes actually was not only confirmable, but actually afforded the GOP a beautiful chance to use the "judge issue" to HUGE political advantage. McCain and Graham threw it away, and hurt a good man in the process.


Posted By: Quin Hillyer

So the question begs, Charade; Either you or the American Spectator is wrong about your statement that John McCain is not a liar. Which one is it?

I look forward to your response.
 
Yep, when you're caught making a factually incorrect statement, change the subject in the hopes of steering the debate elsewhere and hope that no one notices.


I should become a politician!

OK, so I was wrong. But he probably did take *real* sniper fire.

So in the end, we all have to accept the fact that we elect liars to public office. We just pick and choose which ones we let slide. Right?
 
I should become a politician!

OK, so I was wrong. But he probably did take *real* sniper fire.

So in the end, we all have to accept the fact that we elect liars to public office. We just pick and choose which ones we let slide. Right?

Absolutely!

As to your comment about sniper fire, I've got news for you...so did Kerry.

But thank you for admitting you were wrong. Not everyone does that around here and I respect that. You might want to pass that particular ability on to some of your friends over on the "other" board, since it does seem to be in rather short supply.

(By the way, can I just save time, energy and extra keyboard strokes and just call you "Lex" from here on out?)
 
he's helping bring money to another state. What a guy.

We're also thrilled that he's not a liar. Unlike Hillary "Sniperfire" Clinton and Barack "my parents conceived me during the march in Selma 4 years after I was born" Obama.

;)

Another hot campaign issue for the Republicans: Where and when Barak Obama was conceived. :lmao:
 
Another hot campaign issue for the Republicans: Where and when Barak Obama was conceived. :lmao:

Actually, it's an issue for him. He brought it up in a campaign speech shortly announcing his run. So there...
 
Here's one that flew under the radar. I'm not the least bit surprised the Gonzales was in on this one...

The constitution is nothing more than a list of suggestions to those cowards. :sad2:

he's helping bring money to another state. What a guy.

We're also thrilled that he's not a liar. Unlike Hillary "Sniperfire" Clinton and Barack "my parents conceived me during the march in Selma 4 years after I was born" Obama.

;)

Except that's not what he said. He said something was going on around the country and around Selma when his parents got together, and he was the result, which he felt gave him a tie to Alabama, in a way. He was right, but just phrased it poorly to make it seem that his parents met on the march to Montgomery. At worst it was misleading.

Actually, it's an issue for him. He brought it up in a campaign speech shortly announcing his run. So there...

:lmao: That's the best you guys have got? :rotfl: Boy am I looking forward to this general election! McCain is gonna get creamed. :thumbsup2

Lest we forget the Republicans and their "purple band-aids".

Which was one of the scummiest things I've ever witnessed in politics. :sad2:
 
The constitution is nothing more than a list of suggestions to those cowards. :sad2:



Except that's not what he said. He said something was going on around the country and around Selma when his parents got together, and he was the result, which he felt gave him a tie to Alabama, in a way. He was right, but just phrased it poorly to make it seem that his parents met on the march to Montgomery. At worst it was misleading.



:lmao: That's the best you guys have got? :rotfl: Boy am I looking forward to this general election! McCain is gonna get creamed. :thumbsup2



Which was one of the scummiest things I've ever witnessed in politics. :sad2:

That and what they did to McCain in 2000. That was pretty slimy too, going after the adopted kid.
 
I think we are moving forward. Fighting with John is better than fighting with each other :thumbsup2.
 
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