The Liberal Thread #2 - No Debate Please

[Fitswimmer]

I think we are moving forward. Fighting with John is better than fighting with each other .

And McCain has been making it pretty easy-he's got the Hatfields training the McCoys in Iran.....ummm...not so much.

If you're running on your "expertise" in foreign policy, wouldn't it be a swell idea to have some clue as to who the major players are???

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

(By the way, can I just save time, energy and extra keyboard strokes and just call you "Lex" from here on out?)

 

[Chloe'sMom]

It's a funny thing with these Republican bailouts of crooked companies with questionable investments. These Republicans believe the profit should be private but the bailout should be socialized so the American taxpayer pays for it. Bears will cost the American taxpayer nearly $30,000,000,000 (that's billion with a "B"). If the American taxpayers are going to foot the bill, why isn't the American taxpayer being represented by seats on the board of directors of Morgan? Oh, but they're a private company with $30,000,000,000 (that's billion with a "B") in their pocket.

Republicans financial expertise at it's best.

Yesterday on the Con thread a few of us were discussing corporate welfare - some of the most right wing posters were okay with big companies making huge profits getting BILLIONS of dollars is corporate welfare. These are the same guys who would be screaming if a welfare queen was taking advantage of the system. And my favorite the one who started the "1 in 10 people in Ohio is on food stamps - this is a socialist society" was the guy saying he really didn't care if we wasted tax dollars with a corporation.

I say unto you - ***? ***? ***?

~Amanda

 

[wvrevy]

I think we are moving forward. Fighting with John is better than fighting with each other .

Which is why, for all that I'm all for ending the nomination process as soon as possible, I'm still not worried about our chances in November. McCain ten or 15 years ago would have been a formidable opponent. McCain in 2008 is a joke.

I can't wait to see him sell "we have to stay in Iraq if there is still violence, and if there is no violence we can stay for 100 years" to military families suffering through their third and fourth deployments.

I can't wait to see him sell free trade in Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

I can't wait to see him try to debate without Jiminy Lieberman there to correct his mistakes.

I can't wait to see him say that he's against torture under any circumstances while defending his vote to allow the CIA to torture.

I can't wait to see how furious he gets when hit with the "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" line at a debate, 'cause nothing inspires confidence in a leader more than seeing him lose his cool while under pressure.

I can't WAIT to see how quickly his poll numbers drop once the Democrats start focusing on him instead of each other !!!

This election is going to be a 1984 style bloodbath in reverse. We won't win a lot of the south - too much inherent racism, and I'm including my own state in that, sadly - but we'll win enough that McCain is going to be toast before the polls even close in Hawaii and Alaska. The only 3:00AM phone call he's going to have to worry about is his concession call to the Democratic candidate!

 

[crazyforgoofy]

And McCain has been making it pretty easy-he's got the Hatfields training the McCoys in Iran.....ummm...not so much.

If you're running on your "expertise" in foreign policy, wouldn't it be a swell idea to have some clue as to who the major players are???

Fitswimmer, you always say it so very well.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Which is why, for all that I'm all for ending the nomination process as soon as possible, I'm still not worried about our chances in November. McCain ten or 15 years ago would have been a formidable opponent. McCain in 2008 is a joke.

I can't wait to see him sell "we have to stay in Iraq if there is still violence, and if there is no violence we can stay for 100 years" to military families suffering through their third and fourth deployments.

I can't wait to see him sell free trade in Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

I can't wait to see him try to debate without Jiminy Lieberman there to correct his mistakes.

I can't wait to see him say that he's against torture under any circumstances while defending his vote to allow the CIA to torture.

I can't wait to see how furious he gets when hit with the "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" line at a debate, 'cause nothing inspires confidence in a leader more than seeing him lose his cool while under pressure.

I can't WAIT to see how quickly his poll numbers drop once the Democrats start focusing on him instead of each other !!!

This election is going to be a 1984 style bloodbath in reverse. We won't win a lot of the south - too much inherent racism, and I'm including my own state in that, sadly - but we'll win enough that McCain is going to be toast before the polls even close in Hawaii and Alaska. The only 3:00AM phone call he's going to have to worry about is his concession call to the Democratic candidate!

Amen, revy, amen!!

 

[eclectics]

If you're running on your "expertise" in foreign policy, wouldn't it be a swell idea to have some clue as to who the major players are???

Well, if his buddy and mentor didn't know that Sunnis and Shiites were Muslims, what do expect from John Boy? Although he's not quite as clueless as George, McCain comes pretty darn close. He fits the Republican bill perfectly.

 

[punkin]

Has anyone heard this idiocy? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89288713
Apparently this woman's contract was not renewed because someone with a pole up her butt thought that she might have been a lesbian. Are we living in 1955 or what?

 

[wvrevy]

FANTASTIC article up on BuzzFlash:

http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/06/far04018.html

It basically goes through the Republican platform from 2000 and discusses how they basically scammed gullible Americans into voting for them. A few highlights:

Item 1: The 2000 GOP platform denounced rigged elections

"Gerrymandered congressional districts are an affront to democracy and an insult to the voters. We oppose that and any other attempt to rig the electoral process."

Update: May 16, 2004, The Washington Post: "GOP Set to Conquer Redivided Texas: Party Can Control State With One Win Over Democrats in Fall Contests"

"Republicans appear to have achieved exactly what they wanted: surgically redesigned districts that are jeopardizing the careers of five Democratic House members and significantly enhancing GOP hopes of keeping the House majority this fall and beyond." [Washington Post]

Item 5: The 2000 GOP platform blamed the Clinton administration for America’s low standing in the Middle East -- and for high gas prices

"What happened? Eight years ago, the nation was energy confident. Our standing in the Middle East was at its zenith. The oil cartel was in retreat; gasoline was affordable, even as automotive progress reduced emissions from cars. Today, gas prices have skyrocketed, and oil imports are at all-time highs."

Update: May 27, 2004, Salon.com: "The truth about soaring gas prices: How the Bush White House remains a veritable full-service fueling station for Big Oil"

"Drivers, start your engines -- and empty your wallets! As we gear up for the biggest driving weekend of the year, vacationers all across America are coming face to face with the highest average gas prices in history -- up 42 cents a gallon since 2001. . . "

Item 8: The 2000 GOP platform promised a new era of honor, purpose and accountability

"As idle indulgence gives way to a new Republican president in the coming new 'period of consequences,' the United States can again regain the hope it lost eight years ago. We can restore our country’s sense of international purpose and national honor."

Update: May 6, 2004, The Guardian: This is the new gulag: Bush has created a global network of extra-legal and secret US prisons with thousands of inmates

"The Senate armed services committee was briefed behind closed doors for the first time not only about Abu Ghraib, but about military and CIA prisons in Afghanistan. . . Many of them, Democratic and Republican, were infuriated that there was no accountability and no punishment and demanded a special investigation, but the Republican leadership quashed it." [The Guardian]

Item 9: The 2000 GOP platform asserted that the Clinton administration was sending soldiers on back-to-back deployments and jeopardizing retention rates and morale. It also criticized the administration for equipment shortages and soldiers’ inadequate training

"When presidents fail to make hard choices, those who serve must make them instead. Soldiers must choose whether to stay with their families or to stay in the armed forces at all. Sending our military on vague, aimless, and endless missions rapidly saps morale. Even the highest morale is eventually undermined by back-to-back deployments, poor pay, shortages of spare parts and equipment, inadequate training, and rapidly declining readiness."

Update: Aug. 24, 2003, USA Today: "Army foresees doubling up tours"

"For the first time since the all-volunteer Army began in 1973, significant numbers of U.S. combat soldiers may have to start serving back-to-back overseas tours. . . " [USA Today]

Update: Feb. 7, 2004, ABC News: "Armor From Home: Amid Shortage of Gear, Some U.S. Soldiers Must Equip Themselves"

"Despite efforts to produce more vests with the armored plates, the Pentagon says there still aren't enough, especially among guardsmen and reservists. . ." [ABC News]

There are 20 points in all, and it pretty thoroughly destroys everything that the Republicans claimed during the 2000 elections.

 

[LuvDuke]

Has anyone heard this idiocy? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89288713
Apparently this woman's contract was not renewed because someone with a pole up her butt thought that she might have been a lesbian. Are we living in 1955 or what?

Travesties like this are part of the ***-kissing that goes on between the Republican party and nutjobs like SpongeDob-son, Pat Robertson, John Hagee (McCain endorsement) and the rest of the religious right.

As long as these hatemongering nuts are needed by the Republicans, this will not stop.

To put things in a bit more context, a little background on who Monica Goodling is:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monica_Goodling

She's part of the "Jerry Falwell" job bank and part of the religious right that took over the Republican party. That's how an attorney from a 3rd rate law school, and who has never argued a case in her life, receives such a plum assignment in a Republican administration.

Oh, but she was class president. Yes, she actually referenced before a Congressional committee investigating the firings of so many US attornies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/23/AR2007052301446.html

 

[punkin]

Travesties like this are part of the ***-kissing that goes on between the Republican party and nutjobs like SpongeDob-son, Pat Robertson, John Hagee (McCain endorsement) and the rest of the religious right.

As long as these hatemongering nuts are needed by the Republicans, this will not stop.

To put things in a bit more context, a little background on who Monica Goodling is:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monica_Goodling

She's part of the "Jerry Falwell" job bank and part of the religious right that took over the Republican party. That's how an attorney from a 3rd rate law school, and who has never argued a case in her life, receives such a plum assignment in a Republican administration.

Oh, but she was class president. Yes, she actually referenced before a Congressional committee investigating the firings of so many US attornies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/23/AR2007052301446.html

I know who Goodling is and the kind of school that graduated her. If you heard any of her questioning by the Committee, she sounded like a class A moron. No wonder I can't get a government job. Not only am I of the wrong political persuasion, I am a much better litigator.

What gets me is the woman who lost her job is also a Republican. Whether she is actually homosexual or not is not clear. It only took an office rumor that may be she MIGHT be gay to ruin this woman's career.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I know who Goodling is and the kind of school that graduated her. If you heard any of her questioning by the Committee, she sounded like a class A moron. No wonder I can't get a government job. Not only am I of the wrong political persuasion, I am a much better litigator.

What gets me is the woman who lost her job is also a Republican. Whether she is actually homosexual or not is not clear. It only took an office rumor that may be she MIGHT be gay to ruin this woman's career.

According to the article-being a lesbian is "worse than being a Democrat" to some people.

 

[punkin]

According to the article-being a lesbian is "worse than being a Democrat" to some people.

It was a RUMOR. That's so stupid that I am at a loss for words, particularly when Justice still has her position empty. They haven't been able to fill it. Justice has been hemorrhaging experienced career attorneys ever since this bunch of Yahoos took over, but they manage to get rid of one of their own over a RUMOR.

 

[Fitswimmer]

It was a RUMOR. That's so stupid that I am at a loss for words, particularly when Justice still has her position empty. They haven't been able to fill it. Justice has been hemorrhaging experienced career attorneys ever since this bunch of Yahoos took over, but they manage to get rid of one of their own over a RUMOR.

I think it's been made fairly clear that truth isn't really a big priority for this administration. It doesn't matter whether she really is a lesbian or not, it's enough that she "might" be one.

 

[eclectics]

Has anyone heard this idiocy? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89288713
Apparently this woman's contract was not renewed because someone with a pole up her butt thought that she might have been a lesbian. Are we living in 1955 or what?

I think that's when Republicans stopped evolving and decided to park their butts in a time warp.

 

[wvrevy]

I think that's when Republicans stopped evolving and decided to park their butts in a time warp.

The lady worked for these people. Sorry, but I'm having a hard time finding any pity for her. She basically brought it on herself.

 

[Fitswimmer]

The lady worked for these people. Sorry, but I'm having a hard time finding any pity for her. She basically brought it on herself.

Nobody deserves that kind of treatment.

 

[punkin]

The lady worked for these people. Sorry, but I'm having a hard time finding any pity for her. She basically brought it on herself.

Career bureaucrats are not supposed to be hired and fired based on political affiliation. Needless to say, suspected sexual orientation shouldn't be a valid reason either. Are you saying she brought it on herself because she worked for the Government during a Republican administration? Gee, so does my rabidly Liberal DH. He likes to joke that George Bush is his boss. I don't understand your confusion.

 

[eclectics]

The lady worked for these people. Sorry, but I'm having a hard time finding any pity for her. She basically brought it on herself.

I'd give her some slack. Jobs aren't easy to find these days and sometimes people have to turn a blind eye. One thing I will say though is that she shouldn't be surprised at their tactics. I'm sure she knew what they were capable of. Doesn't make it her fault though, imho.

 

[LuvDuke]

The lady worked for these people. Sorry, but I'm having a hard time finding any pity for her. She basically brought it on herself.

You're blaming the victim. She has no culpability in this. She has every right to expect fair treatment regardless of which moron is in office. That she didn't get it is a reflection on those who fired her and not on she who was fired.

Put the blame where it belongs or else you run the risk of starting to sound like a Republican who blames the victim for losing their job, their pension, and has sunk into poverty with the excuse "they should've planned better".