The large number of new Aulani resale contracts??

[DonMacGregor]

But why so heavily concentrated on AUL? You would think if they were focusing on the hard-to-get confirmed reservations it would be other resorts. Or do the commercial renters focus on cheap SAP at the 7 month mark?

My first thoughts:
1. Aulani isn't really "Disney" so much as another Hawaii timeshare that can appeal to a broad range of vacationers beyond Disneyphiles. Hawaii timeshares always have broad appeal. Even though AUL isn't in the absolute best location, casual vacationers may not know that.

2. Even the majority of Disneyphiles (particularly East Coasters) know that Aulani will never be their primary resort destination, so better to keep their points in Anaheim or Orlando and simply rent points for the occasional Hawaii vacation. A great many members will always rent points at AUL and will never buy there.

3. I think there are likely 2 groups of commercial renters: those who use Orlando points to snag the hard-to-get WDW reservations, and those who have stockpiles of Aulani points to grab the broader Hawaii tourist trade. You're not buying AUL points with zero home resort advantage in WDW for Orlando reservations. However, knowing that Disney regularly can and does sell out AUL on the cash side means you can still rent out AUL points at a premium, even if you're just grabbing standard rooms in peak (and even off-peak) travel periods (December in Hawaii is still a boatload warmer than Minnesota).

4. The problem might actually be bigger in AUL than WDW, but you just don't hear about it because it doesn't affect those hard-to-get WDW reservations and therefore isn't reflected negatively on social media. "Aulani is just busy all the time". If DVC has begun scanning for the commercial renters, the AUL market may have been their test model, or they may just have been more obvious or egregious in size and volume and hit the radar first. See bullet points 1 and 2. Who knows.

 

[Disfamwa]

I encourage people to join some Facebook rental groups to see the extent of even a small select group of individual commercial renters on the hard to book rooms (there is even a west coast focused DVC rental group with some some of the most savvy individual commercial renters that also participate in WDW groups).

Edit: but they read these boards, so spread out your join requests because they are probably reading these threads lol

 

[JackosinDIS]

I encourage people to join some Facebook rental groups to see the extent of even a small select group of individual commercial renters on the hard to book rooms (there is even a west coast focused DVC rental group with some some of the most savvy individual commercial renters that also participate in WDW groups).

Yep, I’m on most of those groups for the limited number of rentals I have done (just points rentals when I’ve had excess banked points on resale contracts). It’s astounding the number of confirmed reservations some individuals have - individuals literally have multiple studios at BWV and AKV value year round. It makes me wonder whether they are renting out on behalf of multiple owners, otherwise they must have upwards of 5000 points to be doing this.

I find it interesting that all the big renters seem to work together as well to make sure they have everything covered between them. Fascinating.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I’ve never really looked into rental stats but maybe Aulani rents easy? Combined with hotel rooms point charts I think the difference of cash vs renting points is pretty high.

I was in a 1 bed and a studio split over 5 days and that reservation would’ve been 7k cash, for that particular stay the savings using points was significantly more than the same days at Boardwalk.

Aulani rents very quickly….

 

[AstroBlasters]

I encourage people to join some Facebook rental groups to see the extent of even a small select group of individual commercial renters on the hard to book rooms (there is even a west coast focused DVC rental group with some some of the most savvy individual commercial renters that also participate in WDW groups).

Edit: but they read these boards, so spread out your join requests because they are probably reading these threads lol

My message to them: WE DON’T LIKE YOU!

 

[Chili327]

Yep, I’m on most of those groups for the limited number of rentals I have done (just points rentals when I’ve had excess banked points on resale contracts). It’s astounding the number of confirmed reservations some individuals have - individuals literally have multiple studios at BWV and AKV value year round. It makes me wonder whether they are renting out on behalf of multiple owners, otherwise they must have upwards of 5000 points to be doing this.

And that is why it is a problem, & why they should be cracking down. People didn't purchase to be a 2nd class citizens at their own home resort.

 

[Disfamwa]

Yep, I’m on most of those groups for the limited number of rentals I have done (just points rentals when I’ve had excess banked points on resale contracts). It’s astounding the number of confirmed reservations some individuals have - individuals literally have multiple studios at BWV and AKV value year round. It makes me wonder whether they are renting out on behalf of multiple owners, otherwise they must have upwards of 5000 points to be doing this.

I find it interesting that all the big renters seem to work together as well to make sure they have everything covered between them. Fascinating.

I joined because I still rent sometimes because we use more points per year between aulani and the parks than I own, but I am tempted to leave the Facebook groups because of how upset I feel with commercial confirmed speculative reservations haha. I always just end up renting from owners on these boards, and I really appreciate that the boards on here are mostly people renting out points instead of reservations (even the confirmed reservations on here on mostly owners who intended to go on a trip and had to cancel). I think reservations made when renting out points (instead of speculative confirmed rentals) are probably more similar to how owners use points and also mean renters have to plan ahead just like owners do. I really think it’s the speculative confirmed rentals that are really problematic.

 

[lyric_rains]

Prior to my stay at Aulani last week, I stayed at the new Waikiki MVC property and sat through their sales presentation for the first time. The agent was trying to sell me on the rentability of any purchased MVC points at their Ko’Olina resort next to Aulani. She said that due to aggressive rental restrictions that have shut down VBROs in the state, renting MVC points was a legal option as an owner (same intent of DVC, if you can’t use the points). Wondering if these restrictions are more intense in HI than other tourist destinations and maybe that’s why there was an uptick in Aulani contracts as a form of commercial renting?

 

[Sandisw]

And that is why it is a problem, & why they should be cracking down. People didn't purchase to be a 2nd class citizens at their own home resort.

I am not sure that confirmed rentals will go away, but the volume of hard to get might be reduced.

Just based on what was stated at the meetings, I would be surprised if they will try to prevent any specific room type off limits to owners.

 

[Chili327]

I am not sure that confirmed rentals will go away, but the volume of hard to get might be reduced.

Just based on what was stated at the meetings, I would be surprised if they will try to prevent any specific room type off limits to owners.

That's about all we can hope for.

 

[VGCgroupie]

My first thoughts:
1. Aulani isn't really "Disney" so much as another Hawaii timeshare that can appeal to a broad range of vacationers beyond Disneyphiles. Hawaii timeshares always have broad appeal. Even though AUL isn't in the absolute best location, casual vacationers may not know that.

2. Even the majority of Disneyphiles (particularly East Coasters) know that Aulani will never be their primary resort destination, so better to keep their points in Anaheim or Orlando and simply rent points for the occasional Hawaii vacation. A great many members will always rent points at AUL and will never buy there.

3. I think there are likely 2 groups of commercial renters: those who use Orlando points to snag the hard-to-get WDW reservations, and those who have stockpiles of Aulani points to grab the broader Hawaii tourist trade. You're not buying AUL points with zero home resort advantage in WDW for Orlando reservations. However, knowing that Disney regularly can and does sell out AUL on the cash side means you can still rent out AUL points at a premium, even if you're just grabbing standard rooms in peak (and even off-peak) travel periods (December in Hawaii is still a boatload warmer than Minnesota).

4. The problem might actually be bigger in AUL than WDW, but you just don't hear about it because it doesn't affect those hard-to-get WDW reservations and therefore isn't reflected negatively on social media. "Aulani is just busy all the time". If DVC has begun scanning for the commercial renters, the AUL market may have been their test model, or they may just have been more obvious or egregious in size and volume and hit the radar first. See bullet points 1 and 2. Who knows.

This all makes sense. I think this can apply to VGC and VDH also. It’s much easier to notice where there is only 1 property or 2. I think west coast if frustratingly hard to book. At WDW there so many options you are bound to find something and not hate your membership because you can’t use it.

 

[Disfamwa]

This all makes sense. I think this can apply to VGC and VDH also. It’s much easier to notice where there is only 1 property or 2. I think west coast if frustratingly hard to book. At WDW there so many options you are bound to find something and not hate your membership because you can’t use it.

Someone just posted a VDH reservation for $39 dollars per point for the weekend after new years because it’s a low point weekend and there is a large discrepancy between cash and points. Seriously crazy and devalues all of our contracts by removing many of the good value weekends for owners. I also think this is an example of why point charts need to be balanced better—unbalanced point charts are being used for maximum profit.

 

[hhisc16]

Prior to my stay at Aulani last week, I stayed at the new Waikiki MVC property and sat through their sales presentation for the first time. The agent was trying to sell me on the rentability of any purchased MVC points at their Ko’Olina resort next to Aulani. She said that due to aggressive rental restrictions that have shut down VBROs in the state, renting MVC points was a legal option as an owner (same intent of DVC, if you can’t use the points). Wondering if these restrictions are more intense in HI than other tourist destinations and maybe that’s why there was an uptick in Aulani contracts as a form of commercial renting?

"According to the hotel, Marriott's Ko Olina Beach Club is Marriott Vacation Club's most profitable property in their collection."

This may allude to the profits of the Aulani rental markets.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Someone just posted a VDH reservation for $39 dollars per point for the weekend after new years because it’s a low point weekend and there is a large discrepancy between cash and points. Seriously crazy and devalues all of our contracts by removing many of the good value weekends for owners. I also think this is an example of why point charts need to be balanced better—unbalanced point charts are being used for maximum profit.

I saw that. I like you feel like I want to leave that group because it makes me angry but I stay anyway.

 

[Disfamwa]

I saw that. I like you feel like I want to leave that group because it makes me angry but I stay anyway.

I’m the same—I really should leave because I don’t need the daily cortisol spikes haha

 

[AstroBlasters]

I saw that. I like you feel like I want to leave that group because it makes me angry but I stay anyway.

Starve the beast!

 

[CarolynFH]

With that definition (thousands of points) and those highlights (selecting key categories--such as AK Value and Boardwalk Standard), it's almost like some members on the DVC board were reading threads here on this forum...hmmm?

Just wanted to confirm for you that yes, we know DVC reads these boards. Disney is well aware of DISboards and other major fan sites, and of course they monitor them.

 

[nalababybear]

Starve the beast!

Yet you folk still rent from owners.

Being locals, we routinely book several weekends at VGC every non-peak. Go to about 1/3 of them. Rent out the rest. Where does that fall on your scales?

Where does the point of commercial start? If you hate the concept of rentals, yet be either rentee or rentor -- what's the point of all this?

I see that at AUL too; lots of locals on the weekends to use the amenities; especially on the long weekends.

 

[TheDailyMoo]

Been making daily offers on SAP+ and slightly higher end resort contracts but because of this am now shifting my focus on getting the cheapest SAP point contract possible as I think we're on the right track to seeing 7 month availability loosen up based on what we're seeing between what DVC is saying and the writing on the wall (or at least the aggregator sites) with large commercial renters (renter?) dumping contracts.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Yet you folk still rent from owners.

Being locals, we routinely book several weekends at VGC every non-peak. Go to about 1/3 of them. Rent out the rest. Where does that fall on your scales?

Where does the point of commercial start? If you hate the concept of rentals, yet be either rentee or rentor -- what's the point of all this?

I see that at AUL too; lots of locals on the weekends to use the amenities; especially on the long weekends.

Booking 3 reservations and renting 2 you aren’t going to use is not commercial. Nobody here here hates rentals when used as DVC terms state they can be done. IE: Renting when you you can’t use your points. Buying loads of contracts with the sole intent to rent hard to get rooms/dates for profit is what most consider commercial.