The good, the meh, and the ugly

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I thought I'd drop off my two cent reviews of the dining experiences we had last week. Not being a Disney blogger, we didn't try lots of dishes, so I can only speak to what we tried, but could be helpful.

#1: The surprise standout was Skipper Canteen. Not surprise, really, as we knew it's celebrated and were looking forward to it. We asked to wait for the "butterfly booth" and waited maybe 15' for it. I'm so glad we did; not only is it gorgeous and dramatic, it offered an oasis of privacy and seclusion in the middle of a gridlocked Magic Kingdom. And you get to walk through the "hidden passage" bookcases. It would have been a completely different dining experience in the main room.
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My wife had the "winner" dish with the "Sustainable fish"—not the whole roasted fish; this was a fish piece in some pearl couscous and curried broth. It was easily the second most delicious entree we had on the trip, second only to my Cioppino at Hollywood Brown Derby (at that might be a matter of opinion). My "seafood stew," with the mussels & octopus etc, was awesome, but the fish was even better. On the other hand, my daughter was disappointed with her kids' chicken noodle soup; she said the chicken was "dry" and the broth wasn't good. They gave her a mac & cheese instead. They have a cool kids' dessert, though, in the "volcano": a little chocolate cake with some red "lava" icing and a lacy scribble of poured threads of red hard candy sticking out the top.

#2: This shouldn't surprise anybody who's experienced it, but Be Our Guest for breakfast was disenchanting. Don't get me wrong, all the imagineering is beautiful. If it's worth the cost of the meal to see the ballroom and the snowstorm and the music-box-sculpture and the rose and the transforming portrait, then, well (forgive me), be my guest. But it's just sad, because the point of all these things is atmosphere, and they ruin this by funneling a million people through. It's basically a very pretty school cafeteria—crowded, deafening, and rushed. We also came to the conclusion that the eggs and sausage were way better at Roaring Fork, at half the price. BoG eggs were definitely powdered. "Fruit cup" was all melon with one lonely grape. Mind you, lunch & dinner might be better food—but unless they're only filling half the capacity it will still be noisy and crowded.

#3: I was surprised to be disappointed by Columbia Harbor House. I'd heard the upstairs mentioned often as a quiet, secluded refuge, "often deserted," and instead we were in full "stare at them until they vacate a table" mode. Even mobile order pickup was a tense scene and items were missed from our order. The salmon, which was the main reason we'd come, was ok, but on the dry and overdone side, rather than juicy and perfectly-under as we'd hoped. I tried the lobster roll, and while I'm no Maine native and no expert on lobster rolls, the roll was stale-ish and the filling was kinda blah. Mind you, maybe all of this falls under "it's good for counter service, especially in MK," and we were on a very high-traffic weekend, so maybe the tone is saner and the food better on a lower-traffic day.

#4: Storybook Dining at Artist Point with Snow White: I went into this without a chip on my shoulder, not having been to Artist Point's former incarnation. It's interesting to compare this meal to others. Compared to Jiko or California Grill the food wasn't that good—but then this isn't Signature dining. Compared to Cinderella's Royal Table the food was better, and the character meetings I found more engaging (nothing beats the Evil Queen). Plus the "storybook" narrative structure of the multi-course meal is a more compelling dining experience. But then CRT has more princesses—it's got the star power. And however pretty the lights in the "trees" are for Snow White, ain't nothin but a CRT reservation that gets you into that castle.
At both Artist Point and CRT I felt a little rushed. This could be partly a factor of the time that character meetings take away from the meal. There was a quality of "Here are your drinks now here's Dopey now here are your appetizers now here's Snow White now here's your entree now here's Grumpy now here's your dessert now here's the Evil Queen are you done with that?" If you hop up from your meal to take pictures of your kids with characters four times it's going to take away from the eating time.
I have to give a particular recommendation to the "Smoking Mirror" cocktail. Not only is the presentation impressive, with the rosemary smoke boiling from the snifter, but it's dang delicious. If, like me, your favorite flavor is smoke, then this has got it (and I was pleased to find it lingered in the glass throughout the meal), and the tart/sweet berry flavor is delicious. My wife's "Poisoned Apple" was also a winner.

#5: Jiko was wonderful, though if we're comparing beef-tenderloin-to-beef-tenderloin, California Grill's was better. As expected, the bread-and-dip sampler "Taste of Africa" was the standout of the meal.
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Although the kids' menu desserts were inventive, my daughter was under-impressed with the worms-and-dirt cup, and the ruling was that CG's ice-cream-and-cookies was better. Jiko definitely had the advantage of being a quiet, restful, not rushed oasis in a crazy AK day, where CG is bustling and energetic.

#6: As hinted above, for me anyway, the Cioppino at Hollywood Brown Derby was the best dang meal of the trip. This is more a review of that one dish than of the restaurant, but in the midst of such a food desert that is HS, the restaurant is probably a good choice for anything. Yes it's Signature, and yes it's a $46 dish, but it features a scallop the size of a frickin' hockey puck! and it was perfectly cooked and tender.
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NICE, thanks for taking the time and the pics!!!

Not sure if it is my browser but the 1st pic for me is MIA....??
 
NICE, thanks for taking the time and the pics!!!

Not sure if it is my browser but the 1st pic for me is MIA....??
Hm, maybe it's slow loading because of its size. I've got to figure out the best way to handle photos; right now I'm just putting in the URLs from Google Photos and they're winding up huge.
 
1. We have eaten in each of the rooms at Skippers. The experience is different in the main room, louder. The secret library is our favorite.
2. Not a surprise.
3. Thats too bad as Columbia remains one of our standbys and never disappointed yet.
4. haven't tried yet
5. Always good.
6. Definitely best food at HS by far.
picture 1 is still MIA.
 

Thanks for your honest/thorough reviews.I think you summed up what is a common drawback with some of the themed and set-menu experiences: they're just so focused on going through the motions and turning the tables as quickly as possible,

As far as CHH, while it is one of the better QS places, I think they do much better with basics like fried fish/chicken/shrimp, chicken pot pie, and a basic-but-darned-good tuna sandwich. QS salmon or buffet salmon is rarely good and while some people like CHH's lobster rolls, I wish they'd serve them real Maine-style with big chunks of lobster simply dressed with butter. A New England lobster roll is not supposed to be a lobster salad sandwich.

That cioppino at HBD looks great! I never ordered it out of fear that it would be a big letdown, so I usually stick with their Cobb salad and a few apps (or something simple like a filet). HBD seems to get a lot of poor reviews for being a Signature restaurant, but I've had mostly good meals there (especially their appetizers).
 
Our BOG lunch was disappointing. The Pomme frites were just plain fries, which is wrong. We’ve had the real thing at more than one restaurant at DL. The roast beef sandwich was blah. Cannot recommend the lunch.

Ohana breakfast was great!

Contempo Cafe was great!

Satu’li Canteen was great!
 
Our BOG lunch was disappointing. The Pomme frites were just plain fries, which is wrong. We’ve had the real thing at more than one restaurant at DL. The roast beef sandwich was blah. Cannot recommend the lunch.

Ohana breakfast was great!

Contempo Cafe was great!

Satu’li Canteen was great!
I was very sad that our experience didn’t let us hit Satuli. I’d planned on it, but lunchtime found us getting off Everest and in no shape (after our 3:00 wake up and flight) to walk across the park, and needing food immediately. We went for Yak & Yeti “local food cafe,” the QS, which was as described—mall food court Asian. Palatable enough as such, but nothing special.
 
I absolutely agree that the lobster rolls aren’t that good. I heard good stuff about them on forums and YouTube videos, and I was disappointed.

I do like Jiko, but I think it’s overpriced for what you get.

The last time I went to Brown Derby the food was too salty.

I’ll have to check out the other places that you mentioned. I love seafood.
 
Thanks for the reviews. I've never seen BOG compared to a school cafeteria but that is absolutely spot on for breakfast/lunch--a unique atmosphere ruined by the rush to feed 10K people a day. And I agree re: CHH--food isn't bad, but it has become overrated and crowded, probably due to the Internet.
 
Thanks much for the HBD review. Once again the corn chowder won't be on the menu when we arrive this weekend (sniffles) and I've been wondering what I'll order besides the Cobb salad (it'll be split between the 4 of us since we are veggie loving fools) to eat. Think I've decided to try the cioppino; looks luscious!
You reviewed a lot of MK restaurants that we've never eaten at so thank you for that:). Maybe we'll hit Skipper this trip if we can do a walk up or grab a cancellation:cool:.


@Pygoplites - I only eat lobster rolls in New England and certain parts of the Middle States. Easy to get to for me and big chunks of lobby meat are the norm up here or out of business you go. Also prefer the CT version with butter instead of the ME style with mayo so since to the best of my knowledge everyone in WDW does the mayo style and I can wait until I'm closer to home.
 
BOG breakfast is objectively terrible. Disney clearly knows this is a cash cow and has not made any improvements to the food as they continually jack up the prices. People will continue to pay as long as it offers them early access to Fantasyland, which is why it's my mission to tell as many people as possible that they don't have to order a full meal at breakfast! You can order nothing, or just (bad) coffee if you need it, as I do.
 
Thanks for your thoughtful reviews. Even better with pictures! I agree on Skipper Canteen particularly. We should have asked for the butterfly booth. Knew about it but allowed them to seat us in the main dining room. It was fine tho, not that noisy and still a nice atmosphere. The food....yummo!
 
For what it's worth I will not eat at BOG anymore. I had the turkey sandwich last trip and the turkey was dry and the roll was hard as a rock. I sent it back and left. To me Hollywood Brown Derby is amazing. One of my favorite places to eat at. I ate there last trip for the very 1st time and was blown away how beautiful the place looked and how great both the service and food was. No complaints here. Well worth it and the pork chop was the best I ever had. I recommend it to anyone.
 
Oo, I forgot some!

#7: During Flower & Garden, anything at what they're calling "Arbor at the Gardeners Terrace" can't go wrong. The fried green tomato w blue crab & fennel salad, especially, is the best. The "salmon stack" is beautiful, but the tomato by virtue of being warm takes the prize. And as long as you're there you can't really leave without the berry crumble. This place has the added bonus of having indoor, air-conditioned seating (with a nice view). The scallops at Northern Bloom were of course beautiful also, smoky with the bacon crumbles, but we made the mistake of trying to split one, which was a mouthful per person and left us wanting more. Also at EPCOT,

#8: we had lunch at Restaurant Marrakesh. The food wasn't the "best of the trip," but it was great, and was a distinct change of pace from most WDW food—feels healthier, for one thing, whether or not a big lamb shank really is. But the main advantage of Marrakesh is the atmosphere and setting. I'd heard it recommended as an under-appreciated, under-frequented restaurant that was seldom busy. We showed up for our 12:00 res and found that to be true—we were one of maybe five tables occupied. By the time we left that had changed and the restaurant was maybe 3/4 full. But it was still a cool, quiet oasis on a very crowded day. The ornate tilework and stone carving make the interior a worthy attraction in its own right—if the exterior of the Morocco pavilion is a street scene from Agrabah, this is the interior of the Sultan's palace. About 15 minutes out of our hour there were occupied by the live musician and belly dancer, who got all the kids to get up and join her for a few dance moves (my oldest daughter shot me a panicked glance, but went with it—she who dreaded all character meetings or attracting any attention). As a musician I was fascinated by the keyboard player—my impression was that the percussion was a pre-recorded track, but he was providing all the instrumental music on some kind of synthesizer that could handle microtonal scales, and would frequently switch voices between oud, ney, and bowed strings. The entertainment struck a perfect balance between enhancing the peaceful dining experience without overpowering it.
My wife and I both got the prix fixe chef's menu, which came with a fun sampler of appetizers, a lamb shank entree, and a baklava sampler, all for a similar price to some of the entrees. I forgot to mention that at Jiko they started the meal with a chilled Moroccan mint tea and my youngest daughter had fallen in love with it, so here in the Moroccan pavilion they were of course able to keep the mint tea coming.
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#9 is also not news to anyone who's tried it, but I just have to sing the praises of Tusker House. It has it all—if you're an adventurous eater it's got tabouleh and hummus and pigeon peas and curries. If you're not it's got roast pork and corn dog bites and brownies. It's got character meetings (unique, in safari outfit!)—and oh yeah, it's a buffet! You'll stuff yourself just trying to sample everything.
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We went for the River of Light package since we wanted to eat there anyway. This was a disappointing value, because when we ran panting into the stadium after our dinner at Jiko, at 10 minutes to show time, the dining package seating was entirely full. No room. We had to stand in the farthest-back section. Now look, I know it said that we ought to show up 15-30 minutes before the show and we were cutting it close, but hey Disney, here's an idea, don't sell more packages than you have seats. Humph.

And finally, a random snack review: If you happen on one of those ice cream carts and have already had your compulsory Mickey Bar, the "Olaf's Frozen Strawberry Lemonade" popsicle is really good!
 
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We went for the River of Light package since we wanted to eat there anyway. This was a disappointing value, because when we ran panting into the stadium after our dinner at Jiko, at 10 minutes to show time, the dining package seating was entirely full. No room. We had to stand in the farthest-back section. Now look, I know it said that we ought to show up 15-30 minutes before the show and we were cutting it close, but hey Disney, here's an idea, don't sell more packages than you have seats. Humph.

FYI: around 15 mins before the show, your seats are no longer reserved and anyone is allowed to sit in the reserved package spots. This is to prevent prime seating wasted by ghosts.
 












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