The Duggar Family

[disneymama83]

While the "God helps those that helps themselves" is an often misquoted phrase lets go with that for a second, its called "free will" to make decisions with our God given brain (not just sometimes) and apparently that is what the Duggars are "choosing" to do


FYI-where the phrase REALLY comes from interesting

http://www.gotquestions.org/God-help-themselves.html

EXACTLY! Very well put!

 

[penn19]

Proverbs 16:25 "There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death."

Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death."

Proverbs 3:5-6 "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight."

I don't think the Bible agrees with this statement.

I didn't check the bible before I made that statement.

 

[penn19]

Apart from salvation, there is perhaps a way that the concept "God helps those who help themselves" is correct. As an example, if you asked me to help you move a piece of furniture, but then just watched me as I moved the furniture for you, I was not actually helping you. I would be doing the work for you. Many Christians fall into the trap of inactivity. Many Christians ask God for help, but then expect God to do everything Himself. They excuse this by pointing to the fact that God will provide according to His will and in His timing. However, this is not a reason for inactivity. As a specific example, if you are in need of a job, ask the Lord to help you find a job - but then be active in actually looking for a job. While it is in His power to do so, it is highly unlikely that God will cause employers to come looking for you

I kind of like this link that you posted. Especially the last few sentences.

 

[Luvchefmic]

It made sense to me to show where it really came from too many think its straight from the bible, but things are always misquoted...pretty interesting right? BUT back to the Duggars they are doing what the feel and they don't use any govt assistance so thats fine with me

 

[penn19]

It made sense to me to show where it really came from too many think its straight from the bible, but things are always misquoted...pretty interesting right? BUT back to the Duggars they are doing what the feel and they don't use any govt assistance so thats fine with me

Yes. They aren't asking me to support them, and if they have figured out a way how then good for them. I understand the God thing (sort of), but I would worry about anyone that age (and she is the same age as me. Ack!!) having kids.

 

[toesmom]

I don't love the Duggars, but I have to agree with your statement. ^^^^

She just keeps having them and leaving them to the other kids to raise...

I totally agree. If she actually had to be responsible to take care of the kids all the time rather than making the older kids take care of the younger ones, the total number of kids would probably be 3.

just my opinion.

 

[Justsyd2]

BTW - I thank God for the principals in which this country was founded on and I wish we could get back to them

As a history major I'd like to correct this misinformation. Most of our founding fathers were Deists - not Christian.

"The Declaration of Independence"

Many Christians who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration as "proof." The reason appears obvious: the document mentions God. However, the God in the Declaration does not describe Christianity's God. It describes "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." This nature's view of God agrees with deist philosophy but any attempt to use the Declaration as a support for Christianity will fail for this reason alone.

Article XI from the Treaty of Tripoli More significantly, the Declaration does not represent the law of the land as it came before the Constitution. The Declaration aimed at announcing their separation from Great Britain and listed the various grievances with the "thirteen united States of America." The grievances against Great Britain no longer hold, and we have more than thirteen states. Today, the Declaration represents an important historical document about rebellious intentions against Great Britain at a time before the formation of our independent government. Although the Declaration may have influential power, it may inspire the lofty thoughts of poets, and judges may mention it in their summations, it holds no legal power today. Our presidents, judges and policemen must take an oath to uphold the Constitution, but never to the Declaration of Independence.

Of course the Declaration depicts a great political document, as it aimed at a future government upheld by citizens instead of a religious monarchy. It observed that all men "are created equal" meaning that we all come inborn with the abilities of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men." The Declaration says nothing about our rights secured by Christianity, nor does it imply anything about a Christian foundation.

"Treaty of Tripoli"

Unlike governments of the past, the American Fathers set up a government divorced from religion. The establishment of a secular government did not require a reflection to themselves about its origin; they knew this as an unspoken given. However, as the U.S. delved into international affairs, few foreign nations knew about the intentions of America. For this reason, an insight from a little known but legal document written in the late 1700s explicitly reveals the secular nature of the United States to a foreign nation. Officially called the "Treaty of peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary," most refer to it as simply the Treaty of Tripoli. In Article 11, it states:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

 

[badblackpug]

To the bolded, I do agree. To the rest well, I'll just keep my homemaker mouth shut.

See I knew someone would take this to the extreme. I said, and I will say again...there is nothing wrong with being a homemaker if that is what you CHOOSE to do. I said I want my children to have choices in life, I don't want them pigeon holed into any future (be that firefighter, doctor, lawyer, homemaker or candlestick maker) because that is the ONLY skill set they have. I want them to experience and learn various things and make choices about what will make them happy, whatever that may be.

Again, I don't watch the show....do any of the kids go to college? Is that even an option for them?

 

[apnep]

I'm surprised her uterus hasn't fallen out. Eeeeeek!

 

[melancholywings]

I have to respond to this....it is through OUR faith in God that we will have the ability to pay the mortgage.

Are you then implying that the other people who can't pay their mortgage - just don't have enough faith in God?

As far as the Duggars they have a faith in God and they choose to live their life according to that, something to be admired in my little world

I agree with you - they 'choose' to live this life. They 'choose' to believe that God would want her to keep on having babies even if it's putting her life at risk and possibly leaving the other 19 motherless. It's their choice and I believe it's a selfish one not a godly one.

You have no clue

You have no valid point. I mean why even make a post with just four words and a smilie? Unless it's just to 'get the last word in' or a failed attempt to be insulting with a passive aggressive dig?

 

[disfan07]

BTW - I thank God for the principals in which this country was founded on and I wish we could get back to them

OT a little bit but:

It's people like you that make me worry for the freedom in our country. This country is about having the freedom to believe in what you want to believe. You get to choose what you believe. We have progressed 10 fold since this country was founded and not eveyrone who lives in this country believes in those principles. It's like the whole "family values" thing. Not everyone has the same family values and we should not be forced to have the values of someone else. This country is about freedom (including religious) which means that everyone can have their own principles and it should stay that way. The comment that you made usually comes form people who believe that everyone in this country should be told what they can believe and what their values should be. If you believe that eveyrone in this country should have to believe the same principles and same "fmaily values" than I don't what to say...I hope you become more open minded

I don't necessarily agree with other peoples lifestyles or wha they believe but as long as they are not forcing (or trying to force) their beliefs on me or anyone else, who cares...I only care once people try to make others believe what they believe because they think it's "right"

 

[Luvchefmic]

Originally Posted by Luvchefmic
I have to respond to this....it is through OUR faith in God that we will have the ability to pay the mortgage.

Are you then implying that the other people who can't pay their mortgage - just don't have enough faith in God?

I'm not implying, insinuating, or suggesting I am speaking right out loud about me and my husband and what is happening in our lives...no more no less..and not about anyone elses circumstances just about us and my reaction to the statement because when the bank statement and the one paycheck says its not possible the faith keeps proving anything is..that's all

 

[melancholywings]

I'm not implying, insinuating, or suggesting I am speaking right out loud about me and my husband and what is happening in our lives...no more no less..and not about anyone elses circumstances just about us and my reaction to the statement because when the bank statement and the one paycheck says its not possible the faith keeps proving anything is..that's all

I respectfully understand and imagine we've all needed that kind of faith before.

 

[Amy&Dan]

I really like the Duggars, I do admire and respect the fact they are debt free. I do have to say, I had no idea she knew she had a medical condition that she ignored or whatever and that this was why she had the early delivery and all the complications that last pregnancy. That is food for thought.

I do also worry that the older girls are pressed into a lot of duties with the yonger ones. Not that this makes them abused or used, but rather that it might make them feel a bit that they had very little in the way of a childhood. Or maybe that they had little in the way of a childhood many of us think is the right way or the norm! Childhood like all things probably comes in all shapes and sizes.

I'll also add that the older girls do a lot, but its Michelle who homeschools those kids each day. At least that's what I have seen but I only watch the show maybe half the episodes if that. But I do not agree that Michelle lets the older girls do all the work involved with the younger ones. She works her buns off as they all do but they all seem to enjoy the outcome of their hardwork.

I do agree that they are clearly able to provide financially for their children. But I hope they will also allow themselves to be able to provide the love and very presence of parental love and guidance to each of those kids and if that means using birth control than that may be what needs to happen. I always respect that some people feel that God will only give them the amount of children they are meant to have, but then again, childbearing can sometimes be a life threatening condition for some women. So if a woman insists on having more, isn't that a bit like women who engage in behaviors that they know might kill them and leave their children motherless, but do it anyway? I just don't know how I feel about this, there are for sure many sides to consider.

Ahh well, I still like and admire them, I may not agree with every decision they make and every facet of their lives, but I do think they seem like they have a good life and for sure they all love each other.

 

[Luvchefmic]

I respectfully understand and imagine we've all needed that kind of faith before.

Thank You

 

[dreamin_disney]

God and religion set aside I didnt mean for this to get like this . Let get back to budget

I was talking to dh about this and he said if Mr. duggar was in senate/congress he served his trem and would now get a pension and health insurance

 

[disneymama83]

You have no valid point. I mean why even make a post with just four words and a smilie? Unless it's just to 'get the last word in' or a failed attempt to be insulting with a passive aggressive dig?

I'm sorry if you felt that my point was invalid or an attempt at being insulting. It is not my intention to be insulting. I honestly believe I made a vaild point about the Duggars putting their faith and trust in the Lord(this is what they themselves have said). I'm not sure why that was misunderstood or under attack.

It is through their faith & obedience in the Lord as well as the use of their God given brain that they are able to provide for their family as well as create a loving environment in which to raise them.

* They don't have the kind of faith as you mentioned in a previous post where you punch a cow in the nose expect milk to come out just because you have faith that it will happen.

They choose to live by Proberbs 3:5-6
"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths"

 

[dreamin_disney]

I really like the Duggars, I do admire and respect the fact they are debt free. I do have to say, I had no idea she knew she had a medical condition that she ignored or whatever and that this was why she had the early delivery and all the complications that last pregnancy. That is food for thought.

I do also worry that the older girls are pressed into a lot of duties with the yonger ones. Not that this makes them abused or used, but rather that it might make them feel a bit that they had very little in the way of a childhood. Or maybe that they had little in the way of a childhood many of us think is the right way or the norm! Childhood like all things probably comes in all shapes and sizes.

I'll also add that the older girls do a lot, but its Michelle who homeschools those kids each day. At least that's what I have seen but I only watch the show maybe half the episodes if that. But I do not agree that Michelle lets the older girls do all the work involved with the younger ones. She works her buns off as they all do but they all seem to enjoy the outcome of their hardwork.

I do agree that they are clearly able to provide financially for their children. But I hope they will also allow themselves to be able to provide the love and very presence of parental love and guidance to each of those kids and if that means using birth control than that may be what needs to happen. I always respect that some people feel that God will only give them the amount of children they are meant to have, but then again, childbearing can sometimes be a life threatening condition for some women. So if a woman insists on having more, isn't that a bit like women who engage in behaviors that they know might kill them and leave their children motherless, but do it anyway? I just don't know how I feel about this, there are for sure many sides to consider.

Ahh well, I still like and admire them, I may not agree with every decision they make and every facet of their lives, but I do think they seem like they have a good life and for sure they all love each other.

They home school on the computer. They have a program on it. The screen said the Duggers homeschool

 

[Luvchefmic]

God and religion set aside I didnt mean for this to get like this . Let get back to budget

I was talking to dh about this and he said if Mr. duggar was in senate/congress he served his trem and would now get a pension and health insurance

Well talking about the Duggars it would have to end up about God & their beliefs because most people would think its quite frankly nuts...me I'd glad I had no "calling" to have 19 kids...instead the animals all get sent to our house I think its been a healthy exchange of ideas/opinions here so I wouldn't worry about it


anyway yes I'm sure your DH would be correct about that with the pension & health insurance

 

[disneymama83]

Well talking about the Duggars it would have to end up about God & their beliefs because most people would think its quite frankly nuts...me I'd glad I had no "calling" to have 19 kids...instead the animals all get sent to our house I think its been a healthy exchange of ideas/opinions here so I wouldn't worry about it


anyway yes I'm sure your DH would be correct about that with the pension & health insurance

ITA


regarding - instead the animals all get sent to our house