The Duggar Family

[disneymama83]

I don't think its neat I think its socially irresponsible. Honestly many of the ideas they are following religiously were based in time when this country was just being founded and there were not many people here. Well that time has past and now the world is dealing with over population. Perhaps they should adjust their ideals to match the long term needs of their children and someday grandchildren. Have a few kids love them and raise them right you want more adopt. Their are plenty of wonderful babies our there that need a loving home.

I'm not saying they have bad ideals I just think so many kids is bad...your supposed to be part of a community not form your own community.

I think "social irresponsibility" is when people have children and allow the government to support them instead of supporting them themselves. The Duggars are "accepting" the children that God is blessing them with. They support & provide for them on their own and have created a loving environment in which to raise them.

How can you say that “so many kids are bad”? The kids are happy & healthy! They are provided for by their parents. The community is not supporting them financially. They actually contribute to their community on many positive levels! Besides, show me the rule/law as to how many children people are allowed to have or at least what is “ideal”.

BTW - I thank God for the principals in which this country was founded on and I wish we could get back to them

 

[disneymama83]

It does. I'm sorry you don't see the connection. Maybe I should have gone with the clown car joke.

No, I'm sorry that you can't make the connection between their lifestyle and their faith in the Lord.

 

[Shelly F - Ohio]

The girls sew some of their clothes which has to be a big help in the clothing expense budget.
Michelle makes her own laundry soap. The receipt is on the DIS and it is said that the soap only cost only pennies a load.

Although I do not agree with having that many kids, I can't believe she is able to manage a big family. Just imagine what the monthly cost for health care coverage is for that family. Not to mention the youngest being a sick baby!

Think of all the planning that a DIS member does in order to go on vacation. Now imagine having to plan for a family of that size!

But to each his own. If they feel the need to raise that many kids then so be it.

 

[melancholywings]

No, I'm sorry that you can't make the connection between their lifestyle and their faith in the Lord.

I’m sure we all agree that they use their faith to justify having all those babies. But faith alone doesn't excuse a person's actions. Just calling it faith doesn't automatically make it a good idea. If you believe that punching a cow will make milk come out of its nose, it doesn't mean you should try it.

If you have faith that God will provide and that everything is his decision. Why do you bother paying the mortgage?

 

[dreamin_disney]

I've heard that the father had the family declared as a church so he doesn't pay taxes.

(I don't know the exact details of how one goes about doing that and to tell you the truth, I don't have a definitive source about the Duggars.)

i heard that too, that they hold church in it so its exempt.

 

[dreamin_disney]

The girls sew some of their clothes which has to be a big help in the clothing expense budget.
Michelle makes her own laundry soap. The receipt is on the DIS and it is said that the soap only cost only pennies a load.

Although I do not agree with having that many kids, I can't believe she is able to manage a big family. Just imagine what the monthly cost for health care coverage is for that family. Not to mention the youngest being a sick baby!

Think of all the planning that a DIS member does in order to go on vacation. Now imagine having to plan for a family of that size!

But to each his own. If they feel the need to raise that many kids then so be it.

I was wondering about health insurance I was paying around 400.00 a month for me and dd medical, dental i cant imagine a family of 21

Family trips they have a big tour bus the cost of gas is a killer! But i'm sure they get free entrance to place for promotinig place . because it televised

 

[badblackpug]

Up front, I'm going to tell you I don't watch the show. Like a PP, it's a couple of minutes while surfing channels, but FWIW, I think that, in a general sense, if you can afford to support your kids without government assistance, than you are free to have as many as you please. As long as you are supporting them legally, that is.

Now, on a personal level, 19 children is ridiculous. These parents are not raising their own children, they are leaving that job to their older children. I have 4 ages 12-9m. Yes, my 12 (will be 13 this month) helps with the younger ones, but she is, in no way, responsible for the majority of their care. She will change a diaper, feed, give a bath, or dress a sibling if she is needed to help out, but I do not expect this of her on a daily basis. She gets paid, just like any other sitter would, if we ask her to babysit. They are not her children, they are not her responsibility. She didn't choose to bring these children into this family. She is a good girl, and like I said she is helpful, but I don't expect it from her. I think it's unfair to expect a child to give up their childhood for your choices. ...and this will offend a few, but I expect more out of my daughter (all my children, in fact) than to learn to be a homemaker. I am not saying that there is anything inherently wrong with being a homemaker, but I want her to have choices.

I agree that this last pregnancy is a message. From whom, you can decide. ...but the chances that she will have preclampsia with subsequent pregnancies, given her history and age, is very high. Maybe it is time to stop and be grateful for the abundance of children she already has.

 

[LuLuO]

I saw them on the Today show talking about the possibility of having another. Their kids seem well taken care of. Their lifestyle is not for me but as long as I'm not paying for their 19 kids then I don't care what they do.

I would never say to a woman whose first child ended up in the NICU that God was trying to tell her something and that maybe she shouldn't have another so I won't say that about the Duggers either.

I can understand why, after feeling tremendous guilt over the miscarriage, they chose to leave future children completely up to God. Again, it is not a concept that I embrace but after having my own children I can understand where they are coming from.

 

[LuLuO]

I think it's unfair to expect a child to give up their childhood for your choices. ...and this will offend a few, but I expect more out of my daughter (all my children, in fact) than to learn to be a homemaker. I am not saying that there is anything inherently wrong with being a homemaker, but I want her to have choices.

To the bolded, I do agree. To the rest well, I'll just keep my homemaker mouth shut.

 

[Luvchefmic]

I’m sure we all agree that they use their faith to justify having all those babies. But faith alone doesn't excuse a person's actions. Just calling it faith doesn't automatically make it a good idea. If you believe that punching a cow will make milk come out of its nose, it doesn't mean you should try it.

If you have faith that God will provide and that everything is his decision. Why do you bother paying the mortgage?

I have to respond to this....it is through OUR faith in God that we will have the ability to pay the mortgage.

As far as the Duggars they have a faith in God and they choose to live their life according to that, something to be admired in my little world

 

[disneymama83]

I have to respond to this....it is through OUR faith in God that we will have the ability to pay the mortgage.

As far as the Duggars they have a faith in God and they choose to live their life according to that, something to be admired in my little world

 

[princessmom29]

I think it is reprehensible that she would risk another child after the medical problems she had with the last one, the fact that the child was born 3 full months eraly and will likely have lasting medical problems, and the doctors advising agianst any more. She KNEW she had gall stones going into the last pregnancy, but refused to have them removed because it would interrupt her childbearing. Gall stones often lead to eclampsia in pregnancy,which is why she delivered early.

The PP who said they aren't raising thier own kids is right. They leave it to the older ones. Notice they aren't rushing any of the older girls to the altar the waythey did the oldest son?? No free child care once they have babies of thier own!

 

[penn19]

LOL. That reminds me of this joke:

A religious man is on top of a roof during a great flood. A man comes by in a boat and says "get in, get in!" The religous man replies, " no I have faith in God, he will grant me a miracle."

Later the water is up to his waist and another boat comes by and the guy tells him to get in again. He responds that he has faith in god and god will give him a miracle. With the water at about chest high, another boat comes to rescue him, but he turns down the offer again cause "God will grant him a miracle."

With the water at chin high, a helicopter throws down a ladder and they tell him to get in, mumbling with the water in his mouth, he again turns down the request for help for the faith of God. He arrives at the gates of heaven with broken faith and says to Peter, I thought God would grand me a miracle and I have been let down." St. Peter chuckles and responds, "I don't know what you're complaining about, we sent you three boats and a helicopter."

 

[disneymama83]

I’m sure we all agree that they use their faith to justify having all those babies. But faith alone doesn't excuse a person's actions. Just calling it faith doesn't automatically make it a good idea. If you believe that punching a cow will make milk come out of its nose, it doesn't mean you should try it.

If you have faith that God will provide and that everything is his decision. Why do you bother paying the mortgage?

You have no clue

 

[princessmom29]

I saw them on the Today show talking about the possibility of having another. Their kids seem well taken care of. Their lifestyle is not for me but as long as I'm not paying for their 19 kids then I don't care what they do.

I would never say to a woman whose first child ended up in the NICU that God was trying to tell her something and that maybe she shouldn't have another so I won't say that about the Duggers either.

I can understand why, after feeling tremendous guilt over the miscarriage, they chose to leave future children completely up to God. Again, it is not a concept that I embrace but after having my own children I can understand where they are coming from.

Her 19th child ened up in the NICU largely because she igored the advice of medical professionals. There is a disticnt difference than a child ending up in NICU becuase the mom was medically irresponsible than a child ending up in NICU becuase of soemthing no one could have perdicted. She KNEW what she was doing and risked it any way. That child is paying for it now.

 

[princessmom29]

You have no clue

I think she has it about right. God helps those who help themselves.

 

[penn19]

I think she has it about right. God helps those who help themselves.

This. I think it's great to have Faith in God. But I also think that God would be ok with us using our (God given) brain to think for ourselves sometimes.

 

[Luvchefmic]

I think she has it about right. God helps those who help themselves.

This. I think it's great to have Faith in God. But I also think that God would be ok with us using our (God given) brain to think for ourselves sometimes.

While the "God helps those that helps themselves" is an often misquoted phrase lets go with that for a second, its called "free will" to make decisions with our God given brain (not just sometimes) and apparently that is what the Duggars are "choosing" to do


FYI-where the phrase REALLY comes from interesting

http://www.gotquestions.org/God-help-themselves.html

 

[MomofSixinSC]

This. I think it's great to have Faith in God. But I also think that God would be ok with us using our (God given) brain to think for ourselves sometimes.

Proverbs 16:25 "There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death."

Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death."

Proverbs 3:5-6 "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight."

I don't think the Bible agrees with this statement.

 

[luvmy3]

I saw them on the Today show talking about the possibility of having another. Their kids seem well taken care of. Their lifestyle is not for me but as long as I'm not paying for their 19 kids then I don't care what they do.

I would never say to a woman whose first child ended up in the NICU that God was trying to tell her something and that maybe she shouldn't have another so I won't say that about the Duggers either.

I can understand why, after feeling tremendous guilt over the miscarriage, they chose to leave future children completely up to God. Again, it is not a concept that I embrace but after having my own children I can understand where they are coming from.

I'm sorry to ignore medical science and risk losing a baby or yourself under the guise of faith is just plain wrong. I hope they don't have another child because I fear it won't survive or she won't, and her 19 kids will be left without a mother. I don't think God was sending her a message however I think she isn't looking in the right place for one.