The Conservative Thread: Back to Basics. Pass the Lasagna and Have a Flower!!

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Afternoon everybody:wave:

It was my work weekend at Target so I haven't been on to see what's been happening. Finished work at 2:30 and there isn't paper left in town. Don't know if its a poster or what, but the koolaid drinkers have definitely gotten all the papers left today. Stopped in 3 stores and zilch.

Oh well
 
Does anyone else besides me have 'mouse finger'? I'm growing a callous on the right side of my right index finger.

I don't think that they are. Since the general had started, Obama has had to heavily campaign from the center - even sometimes move a little right. He never showed that he was a true lefty that he really is.

Most people that voted for him were really clueless to who this man is. To them, the media didn't allow them to see this man for what he really is and a vote for him was a vote against Bush. Obama is already showing that he will not be governing from the center that he attempted to run the bulk of his campaign on. Plenty of people will be waking up over the next year with "buyer’s remorse".

The liberal's can laugh right now in the victory from this election and kid themselves that the 2012 map will be painted all blue but unless the Republicans screw up in 2012 (and no, should they put Palin on the ticket that won't be a screw-up. The majority of the Republican's love her) than the Dem's are toast. And seriously, the Republican’s are pissed about the screw-ups of this election, their pissed that McCain - who is too far left for most of them - was their nominee and they're going to get a more conservative nominee for 2012 and they will kick Obama out of office.

again and again - from your keys to God's ears...and let's start sooner - 2010, baby!

I have a question for all of you

Are you a Republican first, conservative second or

Conservative first, Republican second?


I have been doing a lot of soul searching this past week. Politically speaking that is.
We are about to leave the Republican party.

I just wanted to get some thoughts on where the party is heading, in your opinion.

(For the record, we are conservative first)

I'm a conservative first and Republican second. While, M, I do respect your decision in leaving the RNC, I do admire many things in the RNC -- their unabashed patriotism and stridently strong foreign policy, for starters. Also the RNC platform was more pro-life this election than it has been in the past. If they could stop believing their own press and stop spending so much money and get rid of the folks trying to play both sides of the field - it doesn't work. I'd like to see what I can do to help it remain conservative. Surely the RNC is looking at the polling numbers, too -- and saw they lost by who didn't vote for JM rather than who did vote for BO.

so i've been trying to calm myself since the election...
trying to let myself believe what analysts have been saying....that his chief of staff (rahm emmanuel) is a pragmatist and will keep obama in the center...

so today i read that rahm is really very very very left.....and that he's good buddies with extreme leftists like michael moore..........it's making me seriously nervous...

Part of me is really :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: another part of me says - go ahead, BO, show them your stuff - let the American people see what you're really made of ... and we can then effectively neutralize you in the mid-terms.

Our country will survive. There are 48% of us who'll fight to keep it and not put it the way the OS want it. :grouphug:
She's worth fighting for.

from the part of me that's really really :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: - Thanks for saying that -- :hug:

Awesome DB --- brought tears to my eyes. Thank you. -- but I love me some David Cassidy - so bring on the Partridge Family (coming from someone who has the first 3 seasons on DVD :laughing: ).

Our tough AP -- owns the first 3 seasons of the Partridge Family -- I'm a little overwhelmed by this information and thankful that I was sitting down when I read that....

No, but maybe they would like this from the San Fran Chronicle.......;)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/17/INGEJL45D11.DTL

I love this part:

Take a randomly selected sample of 100 liberal adults and 100 conservative adults. According to an analysis of the 2004 General Social Survey -- a bible of data for social scientists -- the liberals would have had 147 kids, while the conservatives would have had 208. That's a fertility gap of 41 percent. Even adjusting for other variables like age and income, there is a gap of 19 percent.

Now superimpose this on a map of the United States. The highest fertility rate is found in the most Republican state, Utah, home to the Mormon Church. The lowest fertility belongs to Vermont, a state liberal enough to be the first to sanction gay unions.


and.....

Thus Democrats will breed Democrats, and Republicans will breed Republicans -- the blue states reddening every day.

oh, but this part is priceless:

Religion is another factor. Some of the most ardent conservatives are religious fundamentalists who believe they have been bidden by God to go forth and multiply. These conservatives, now overwhelmingly Republican, see large families as blessings, abortion as sacrilege, birth control as potentially sinful. Indeed people who attend church weekly are twice as likely as those who seldom attend to say their ideal family size is three or more children. (This "relentlessly pro-natal" orientation, Longman contended in a recent issue of the journal Foreign Policy, threatens a not-too-distant future in which zealous Christians and radical Muslims inherit the Earth and usher in "new Dark Ages").

:rotfl: Yeah, nevermind about Guttenburg and movable type and the first thing they printed was the Bible.......more people learned to read because they wanted to read the Bible.......missionaries teaching people to read.......so wherever christian missionaries go, the level of education of the people go up.........yeah, let's skip that part. Bbbwwwwaaaaaaa! :rotfl:

Relentlessly 'pro-natal'???? Oh brother... I remember hearing someone say, when asked what to do about liberalism, - have a bunch of conservative kids! Perhaps there is hope in the coming generation -- my friends' children [some homeschooled, some not] are such fine people, on every level. I'm happy to leave my future to them.

It's official. The trip is cancelled. I feel like crying. :( Good thing the kids didn't know about it or they'd be heartbroken. It was such a good deal too, but we need to be responsible. Maybe we can go next year. I'll have to make a plan to pay off some debt and save $$ - (DUH!) :)

Piper Palin is absolutely adorable! Darn that kid is cute.

Awww.. MM, I'm sorry to hear that. Someone said upthread, it really sucks to be a grown-up sometimes. But you have us -- we're a lot cheaper than WDW and even come with a Joe Biden every once in a while:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRXH7RkCZQ

I'll bet you feel better already :rolleyes:

Thanks for the Piper clip - loved hearing her mom remind her to go to school. Soo.....should we start campaigning now? PIPER FOR PREZ 2036
 
Part of me is really :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: another part of me says - go ahead, BO, show them your stuff - let the American people see what you're really made of ... and we can then effectively neutralize you in the mid-terms.

Yeah - I agree but I don't want to wind up having to speak Russian or Farsi because of it. No thank you - my grandparents (God bless their souls) left Russia so they wouldn't have to live like that






Our tough AP -- owns the first 3 seasons of the Partridge Family -- I'm a little overwhelmed by this information and thankful that I was sitting down when I read that....

:rotfl: :rotfl: Not feeling so tough at the moment -- my stomach is in knots over tomorrow. I need you guys for moral support. I'm afraid that people will back out when questioned tomorrow. If they back out, it will be his word against mine.
 
:rotfl: :rotfl: Not feeling so tough at the moment -- my stomach is in knots over tomorrow. I need you guys for moral support. I'm afraid that people will back out when questioned tomorrow. If they back out, it will be his word against mine.

I will be praying....for courage for both you and the other folks. Surely speaking up would benefit them, too? Wouldn't it?

Oh, I don't know - these last few days has completely shattered my faith in people....

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

ETA: SOME people - 48% of them that is.
 

this is making me kinda ill, or maybe it was all that spicy Indian food this afternoon:

An Obama Tilt in Campaign Coverage [from the Washington Post]

By Deborah Howell
Sunday, November 9, 2008; B06

The Post provided a lot of good campaign coverage, but readers have been consistently critical of the lack of probing issues coverage and what they saw as a tilt toward Democrat Barack Obama. My surveys, which ended on Election Day, show that they are right on both counts.

My assistant, Jean Hwang, and I have been examining Post coverage since Nov. 11 of last year on issues, voters, fundraising, the candidates' backgrounds and horse-race stories on tactics, strategy and consultants. We also have looked at photos and Page 1 stories since Obama captured the nomination June 4.

The count was lopsided, with 1,295 horse-race stories and 594 issues stories. The Post was deficient in stories that reported more than the two candidates trading jabs; readers needed articles, going back to the primaries, comparing their positions with outside experts' views. There were no broad stories on energy or science policy, and there were few on religion issues.

Bill Hamilton, assistant managing editor for politics, said, "There are a lot of things I wish we'd been able to do in covering this campaign, but we had to make choices about what we felt we were uniquely able to provide our audiences both in Washington and on the Web. I don't at all discount the importance of issues, but we had a larger purpose, to convey and explain a campaign that our own David Broder described as the most exciting he has ever covered, a narrative that unfolded until the very end. I think our staff rose to the occasion."

The op-ed page ran far more laudatory opinion pieces on Obama, 32, than on Sen. John McCain, 13. There were far more negative pieces about McCain, 58, than there were about Obama, 32, and Obama got the editorial board's endorsement. The Post has several conservative columnists, but not all were gung-ho about McCain.

Stories and photos about Obama in the news pages outnumbered those devoted to McCain. Reporters, photographers and editors found the candidacy of Obama, the first African American major-party nominee, more newsworthy and historic. Journalists love the new; McCain, 25 years older than Obama, was already well known and had more scars from his longer career in politics.

The number of Obama stories since Nov. 11 was 946, compared with McCain's 786. Both had hard-fought primary campaigns, but Obama's battle with Hillary Rodham Clinton was longer, and the numbers reflect that.

McCain clinched the GOP nomination on March 4, three months before Obama won his. From June 4 to Election Day, the tally was Obama, 626 stories, and McCain, 584. Obama was on the front page 176 times, McCain, 144 times; 41 stories featured both.

Our survey results are comparable to figures for the national news media from a study by the Project for Excellence in Journalism. It found that from June 9, when Clinton dropped out of the race, until Nov. 2, 66 percent of the campaign stories were about Obama compared with 53 percent for McCain; some stories featured both. The project also calculated that in that time, 57 percent of the stories were about the horse race and 13 percent were about issues.

Counting from June 4, Obama was in 311 Post photos and McCain in 282. Obama led in most categories. Obama led 133 to 121 in pictures more than three columns wide, 178 to 161 in smaller pictures, and 164 to 133 in color photos. In black and white photos, the nominees were about even, with McCain at 149 and Obama at 147. On Page 1, they were even at 26 each. Post photo and news editors were surprised by my first count on Aug. 3, which showed a much wider disparity, and made a more conscious effort at balance afterward.

Some readers complain that coverage is too poll-driven. They're right, but it's not going to change. The Post's polling was on the mark, and in some cases ahead of the curve, in focusing on independent voters, racial attitudes, low-wage voters, the shift of African Americans' support from Clinton to Obama and the rising importance of economic issues. The Post and its polling partner ABC News include 50 to 60 issues questions in every survey instead of just horse-race questions, so public attitudes were plumbed as well.

The Post had a hard-working team on the campaign. Special praise goes to Dan Balz, the best, most level-headed, incisive political reporter and analyst in newspapers. His stories and "Dan Balz's Take" on washingtonpost.com were fair, penetrating and on the mark. His mentor, David S. Broder, was as sharp as ever.

Michael Dobbs, the Fact Checker, also deserves praise for parsing campaign rhetoric for the overblown or just flat wrong. Howard Kurtz's Ad Watch was a sharp reality check.

The Post's biographical pieces, especially the first ones -- McCain by Michael Leahy and Obama by David Maraniss -- were compelling. Maraniss demystified Obama's growing-up years; the piece on his mother and grandparents was a great read. Leahy's first piece on McCain's father and grandfather, both admirals, told me where McCain got his maverick ways as a kid -- right from the two old men.

But Obama deserved tougher scrutiny than he got, especially of his undergraduate years, his start in Chicago and his relationship with Antoin "Tony" Rezko, who was convicted this year of influence-peddling in Chicago. The Post did nothing on Obama's acknowledged drug use as a teenager.

The Post had good coverage of voters, mainly by Krissah Williams Thompson and Kevin Merida. Anne Hull's stories from Florida, Michigan and Liberty University, and Wil Haygood's story from central Montana brought readers into voters' lives. Jose Antonio Vargas's pieces about campaigns and the Internet were standouts.

One gaping hole in coverage involved Joe Biden, Obama's running mate. When Gov. Sarah Palin was nominated for vice president, reporters were booking the next flight to Alaska. Some readers thought The Post went over Palin with a fine-tooth comb and neglected Biden. They are right; it was a serious omission. However, I do not agree with those readers who thought The Post did only hatchet jobs on her. There were several good stories on her, the best on page 1 by Sally Jenkins on how Palin grew up in Alaska.

In early coverage, I wasn't a big fan of the long-running series called "The Gurus" on consultants and important people in the campaigns. The Post has always prided itself on its political coverage, and profiles of the top dogs were probably well read by political junkies. But I thought the series was of no practical use to readers. While there were some interesting pieces in The Frontrunners series, none of them told me anything about where the candidates stood on any issue.

Deborah Howell can be reached at 202-334-7582 or ombudsman@washpost.com.
 
It's official. The trip is cancelled. I feel like crying. :( Good thing the kids didn't know about it or they'd be heartbroken. It was such a good deal too, but we need to be responsible. Maybe we can go next year. I'll have to make a plan to pay off some debt and save $$ - (DUH!) :)

Aw, I'm sorry about the trip. :hug:
 
Not sure if anyone saw this today:




GOP a dying breed in New England

By SUSAN HAIGH
Associated Press Writer

Posted: Today at 1:56 p.m.

HARTFORD, Conn. — A generation ago the Republican Party was the dominant political force in New England, populating the region's congressional delegations with moderates like Connecticut's Lowell P. Weicker Jr. and Rhode Island's John Chafee.

But today's GOP, led by a more socially conservative wing of the party, is finding votes harder to come by.

Voters on Tuesday cast out Connecticut's veteran Rep. Chris Shays, the last New England Republican in the U.S. House of Representatives. Sen. John Sununu was voted out in New Hampshire, leaving that state's Judd Gregg and Maine's Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe as the only Republicans among the region's 12 senators.

Shays' loss to former Goldman Sachs executive Jim Himes marks the first time since 1969 that southwestern Connecticut will be represented by a Democrat in the House.

"I felt that we were going to win this, I really did," Shays told supporters. "I felt that people were so good to me, they were so nice to me. But they were deciding they were going to go the other way."

New England's decision to "go the other way" in recent elections is a dramatic transformation for a region considered a Republican stronghold a generation ago.

The Republican Party and New England have a long history together.

At their first presidential convention, in 1856, Republicans nominated John C. Fremont on a platform of abolishing slavery in the territories - a widely held view in the North. While Fremont lost, he carried 11 Northern states. Later, Abraham Lincoln captured the presidency by winning 18 Northern states.

By the late 1940s, Republicans held 21 of 28 of New England's seats in the House of Representatives. But the turning point came in 1964, when the Republicans nominated conservative Barry Goldwater for president, said Gary Rose, a political science professor at Sacred Heart University in Fairfield, Conn.

Known for being fiscally conservative but more socially liberal, Northeast moderates - dubbed the Rockefeller Republicans after the former New York governor - started to be eclipsed by the more socially conservative wing of the party.

"The eastern establishment got weaker and weaker," Rose said. "Today, there's really no eastern establishment to speak of."

Chafee's son, Lincoln, was appointed to the Senate in 1999 after his father's death and was elected in 2000 to a six-year term. A moderate like his father, Chafee was the only Republican in the Senate to vote against authorizing the use of force in Iraq. But he was defeated by a Democrat in 2006.

That same year, Reps. Nancy Johnson and Rob Simmons of Connecticut also were defeated by Democrats, buoyed by anti-Iraq-war and anti-President Bush sentiment.

"There is no longer, to speak of, a moderate voice within the party," Rose said. "It's a party that's becoming more narrow and there's really no sense of compromise within the party."

Jennifer Donahue, political director of the New Hampshire Institute of Politics at St. Anselm College, said she believes the GOP can still come back, at least in independent-minded New Hampshire where the state motto is "Live Free or Die."

"It depends on the state. I don't really think you can look at it as a regional phenomenon," Donahue said of New England politicians trending Democratic. "The further north you get, the colder it gets, the more the voters look at (races) on a case-by-case basis."

A large increase of registered Democrats factor into Sununu's loss, she said. But those numbers can change, especially as more fiscally conservative tax refugees migrate north from neighboring Massachusetts.

"It doesn't necessarily indicate a long term pattern coming out of this," she said. "New Hampshire has a uniqueness in that way. It is not fundamentally a state that has in its essence more Democrats than Republicans."

Lawrence J. Cafero Jr., the Republican leader of Connecticut's House of Representatives, blames the image of the national Republican party for hurting the GOP in New England, where Republicans historically have often favored fiscal responsibility, abortion rights, protection of personal liberties and strong environmental policies.

He believes the problem worsened with the 1994 so-called "Republican Revolution," when midterm congressional elections added 54 Republican seats in the House.

"They lost their way and I think more and more New England people, especially those who were Republicans basically because of smaller government and less government intrusion into our lives, started to see their party led by people whose foremost issues were social issues, religious and values and morals, etc.," Cafero said.

"I think that turned a lot of people off in New England and they didn't feel the party was really with them," he added.

Carrie James, a regional press secretary with the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which supports Democratic congressional candidates, said bad feelings about President Bush, the war in Iraq and the weakened economy have helped to persuade New England voters to support Democrats over the past eight years.

One bright spot for the GOP in New England has been their control of governorships. Republicans are governors in Connecticut, Vermont and Rhode Island.

"A big part of our strategy this cycle was to link Republican incumbents with the failed policies of the Bush administration and it's not applicable in a governor's race," James said. "But certainly President Bush damaged the Republican brand across the board."

Rose said he believes Republican gubernatorial candidates in New England will face the same challenges as GOP congressional candidates. He said it's difficult to tell what Yankee Republicans represent and what role they'll play in the future.

"The only reason they've been able to survive is they've acted like Democrats," Rose said. "They too, I think are going to become endangered species."

Thomas Whalen, a political historian at Boston University, said he believes the Republican brand in New England will become even less popular over time, especially as some national party activists tout socially conservative Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as the future of the GOP and the prime presidential candidate in 2012.

"I think that's going to turn off even more people (in New England)," said Whalen, author of "A Higher Purpose: Profiles in Presidential Courage."

Whalen said there is now an opportunity for an independent third party that takes populist stands to develop in New England and envelop moderate Republicans. He said voters in Democratic-heavy states, such as Massachusetts, are going to want a choice at the polls.

"There is no place in the GOP now for the moderates and they need to find a home," Whalen said. "The brand is dead in New England."
 
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:rotfl: :rotfl: Not feeling so tough at the moment -- my stomach is in knots over tomorrow. I need you guys for moral support. I'm afraid that people will back out when questioned tomorrow. If they back out, it will be his word against mine.

:hug: I don't know what you're talking about that's happening tomorrow but good luck!:hug:
 
If you can't go to WDW.....bring Disney to you. Look online...find your favorite Dis recipes. Have a Dis movie night. Start saving/planning for your next trip. We book our trips, as much as, 11 months out. I pay for things...a little at a time. All we need when our vacation rolls around....souvenir money.

Be sad, have a good cry...then get back up and look forward.:hug:

I do that...I find some stuff to make out of my Disney cookbooks, and watch the planning DVDs. Not quite the same, but it helps. :goodvibes
 
Does anyone else besides me have 'mouse finger'? I'm growing a callous on the right side of my right index finger.

:rotfl2:


Surely the RNC is looking at the polling numbers, too -- and saw they lost by who didn't vote for JM rather than who did vote for BO.

I certainly hope they do...they really do need to pay attention to this.


Part of me is really :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: another part of me says - go ahead, BO, show them your stuff - let the American people see what you're really made of ... and we can then effectively neutralize you in the mid-terms.

I know what you mean...this is how I feel, too.

Perhaps there is hope in the coming generation -- my friends' children [some homeschooled, some not] are such fine people, on every level. I'm happy to leave my future to them.

I am encouraged by the young people I know, too. The Republicans really do need to get more of a presence in the colleges, year-round. Right now the Democrats pretty much have a lock on that demographic. I do realize that young people tend to be Democratic, but the Republicans can also have more of a voice there. They need to reach the younger generation.
 
this is making me kinda ill, or maybe it was all that spicy Indian food this afternoon:

Wow, Debbie. That is quite a revealing article. I agree. It was shameful the way the media and the press were so biased. I get most of my news from the internet and radio, but most of my extended family and friends don't. They only watch CNN, Today Show, Oprah, USA Today, etc.

The sad...and truly scary...thing, is that we aren't electing a homecoming king or American Idol winner. We are electing the President of the United States. I really don't believe most people really looked into his policies, etc. Don't get me wrong...I know a lot of people did, and honestly agree with his stand on the issues.

But I know personally of a lot of people who voted for him merely because it was the cool or 'in' thing to do.

That's pretty scary. I am concerned, greatly concerned, about his lack of experience, especially in foreign affairs, and his economic policies.
 
Not sure if anyone saw this today:


GOP a dying breed in New England

By SUSAN HAIGH
Associated Press Writer

Thanks for that article. I hadn't seen it before, but I saw something else on the same topic. Yes, the GOP has taken some extremely harsh hits there. We've got a lot of work to do.
 
Not sure if anyone saw this today:




GOP a dying breed in New England

By SUSAN HAIGH
Associated Press Writer

Posted: Today at 1:56 p.m.

HARTFORD, Conn. — A generation ago the Republican Party was the dominant political force in New England, populating the region's congressional delegations with moderates like Connecticut's Lowell P. Weicker Jr. and Rhode Island's John Chafee.

But today's GOP, led by a more socially conservative wing of the party, is finding votes harder to come by.


Ironically enough, I heard that the reason the New England Republicans didn't get the vote was because they were too moderate. For instance, RINO Lincoln Chaffee of RI lost the Senate a couple of years ago but later endorsed BO for pres.
 
Hey - I love your new avatar!

Did pup let you sleep last night?

Off and on...he woke up whining a lot. I think he misses his momma. :hug:

I just couldn't leave him in the kennel, so he just cuddled up to me. I got up a couple of time to take him potty, but he was so cold, he just sat there and shivered.

We still haven't decided on a name yet...The girls like Trig, but the males in the household aren't so keen on it. I like Max, too (our secret code!) The kids also suggested Jack, as in Captain Jack. My youngest DD likes Todd.

:confused3
 
Ironically enough, I heard that the reason the New England Republicans didn't get the vote was because they were too moderate. For instance, RINO Lincoln Chaffee of RI lost the Senate a couple of years ago but later endorsed BO for pres.

I am getting concerned about the talk lately that the Republican party needs to be more moderate. I don't think so.
 
I have a question for all of you

Are you a Republican first, conservative second or

Conservative first, Republican second?

Definitely conservative first. I have really been drifting away from the Republican party but don't know where to go. I may have even voted Libertarian but McCain added Palin to the ticket. She brought me back to him. I was just sick of him "reaching across the aisle". Every time he did this he walked over the backs of the Republicans who were standing their ground on an issue. Why do we always have to be the ones that reach out. Can't the Dems come across to us once in a while?


I am not sure that the republican party understands that some of us feel this way.
 
I saw this somewhere...

What are your thoughts?


"If the GOP is smart, they will sit all these guys down sometime in the next year and discuss this. Otherwise, we will end up with the exact same fiasco we had this past year. They should tell Jindal, Palin, Sanford, Cantor, and others that their time will come. They are young enough to wait a term or two. They should build on their resumes by gaining seats on committees and chairmanships.

Palin should try to win re-election as Governor and then win a Senate seat before running again. She is only 44 and has plenty of time.

Jindal should be easily re-elected in Louisiana and then try for a Senate seat as well before running. He is only 37, don't waste his political career so early.

Cantor should maybe try for Senate seat or win a Governor seat before running. He is also very young.

Ryan is also very young and should try for more experience in a Governor seat or Cabinet spot since he is a Policy Wonk extraordinaire.

In a nutshell, the GOP should run out Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, and Giuliani. Let those guys fight it out during the Primaries and let the winner take on Obama. The young guard will then be better poised for 2016 if we lose in 2012, which we will if Obama is even remotely successful during his first term."
 
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