The bus...

[Goofy's_Gal]

I've been active on this thread for some strange reason, yet we've only used Disney buses for one trip in the past 7 years. We used to ride buses when the kids were younger, but stopped for many of the reasons on this thread. In 2009, we decided to save some money and try the buses again. BIG MISTAKE! We are now back to happy car rental people! I find this an interesting debate, but one that we stay far away from when actually at WDW anymore. It's not just the behavior issue, it's the long waits for buses especially at night, multiple stops for many resorts, no direct resort-to-resort transporation, slow transportation to DTD, etc.

I've only been to WDW twice - once on site and once at a rental home (my sister purchased one!) When I was on site, I was by myself with a 10 month old. Attempting to handle the stroller plus all she needed for the day AND hold her was out of the question for a bus trip. In addition, I don't want to feel trapped on Disney property. A rental car is always part of the expense. Even with a vacation home available, there will come a time when I want to immerse my daughter in the experience and stay on site..but a car will be part of the package.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Now, I remember why I only read the community board. Adult discussions, banter on both sides of any topic without crying about it.

As I sign off, let me just say I always give up my seat to those in need. I just don't appreciate the feeling of entitlement and expectation some tend to hold. My point all along.

I think that sense of entitlement and expectation is your own perceptions projected onto others. Not everyone has that sense that you seem to imply is there. I agree that some do have it and that is disappointing.

 

[WillAustin]

It's just common courtesy and that has no zip code boundaries IMO.

Unfortunately, in a lot of cases these days, common courtesy isn't so common anymore.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

I've only been to WDW twice - once on site and once at a rental home (my sister purchased one!) When I was on site, I was by myself with a 10 month old. Attempting to handle the stroller plus all she needed for the day AND hold her was out of the question for a bus trip. In addition, I don't want to feel trapped on Disney property. A rental car is always part of the expense. Even with a vacation home available, there will come a time when I want to immerse my daughter in the experience and stay on site..but a car will be part of the package.

Based on your comments, that would be a great choice! We love having the freedom that a rental car affords us to have. We are DVC and do some shopping offsite for the week too. We also like to eat a couple of meals offsite. One of our favorite restaurants is at DTD and getting there is so easy with a rental car. Plus, we do like to eat at least once at another resort and getting there is easier with a rental car.

Not to mention that studies have shown that rental cars are faster to the parks than buses (except getting to MK in the morning).

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Funny because Dh and I sometimes use the term "Breeders" when referencing ourselves as a joke. So count me as someone not insulted.

I'm actually a little bit more offend by the idea that Humans are better than the rest of the animal kingdom. I don't believe that is true AT ALL. Animals don't screw each other over, abandon responsibility, they follow the rules of nature. If anyone has their act together it's the rest of the animal kingdom not us.

Wow. Not sure what else to say. I will have to bite my tongue on this one.

 

[brunette8706]

Because if you can't stand on the bus how are you walking around the parks all day. You are traveling to a place knowing full well you aren't completely capable.Where as someone living a major metropolitan area really has no other choice because owning a car in those areas are more of a luxury than a necessity.

If i were pregnant and going to the world I would rent a car. If not stand on the bus and deal with my choice.

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You're making a huge assumption, the pregnant lady could be getting a wheel chair at guest services....

 

[brunette8706]

Wow. Not sure what else to say. I will have to bite my tongue on this one.

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Me too! This thread is taking a downward spiral! Fast.

 

[brunette8706]

Unfortunately, in a lot of cases these days, common courtesy isn't so common anymore.

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Very True.

 

[Wadecool]

Who's hungry?

 

[LilyWDW]

I think that sense of entitlement and expectation is your own perceptions projected onto others. Not everyone has that sense that you seem to imply is there. I agree that some do have it and that is disappointing.

You know, I do have to agree with you KSDisneyDad... I really do think most people are in the middle ground area on this. However, you will always have those that look at the extremes because that is easier to point out. We do project emotions and thoughts onto others. However, there are people who have expectations that simply can not be met. Sadly, these are the people who will always be upset.

I will be the first to admit that this topic is one of those I seem to take personally. I guess it is because I feel that many are making judgements about those who remain sitting even if they know nothing about them. That is where I get defensive about it. If you don't know a person, it's just not cool to judge that they don't have a problem. You simply never know for sure. However, it does seem to be human nature to make judgements (everyone does it), but acting those out by glaring or making snide comments will never be seen as polite.

My big thing about this topic is this... IF you need a seat, then you need to figure out how to get that seat. You need to take care of yourself first and not hope that others will do so. It comes down to personal responsibility... you simply can not count on others to take care of your needs. This is coming from someone who sometimes needs a seat (my knees like to randomly pop out of place, especially when the timing is bad. Which means I could walk the park all day and have a problem at any point in time.).

 

[notnothin]

Who's hungry?

Pointless thread, susprised it has lasted this long.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Who's hungry?

Me, but no popcorn tonight. I had my tonsils and uvula removed a few days ago and the popcorn sounds really good!!! Too many soft foods the last few days and I'm ready for something solid to eat.

 

[jaceraden]

If I can give up my seat, I sure will. My toddlers and I will stand if it helps someone else who clearly needs a seat. HOWEVER - If I am struggling with my two toddlers and I need them to sit, I WILL stare you down. It's totally ridiculous to sit in a seat while someone else struggles.

I think everyone should be teaching their kids to be kind to those in need and should practise it themselves. This is basic courtesy and respect that is sadly lacking today in everyone's mad rush to get ahead and nurture the 'me me me' mentality. It's apauling what animals we are all turning into. Just my $0.02

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Pointless thread, susprised it has lasted this long.

Why is it pointless? I think there has been some good discussion even though there are some that just want to take a stance and not change.

But overall, I think threads like this are good to make others aware that if you need a seat, you need to not depend on others. It's also good to make those who are sitting aware that it's often very appreciated if you are willing and able to help someone else out. How can finding middle ground make a thread pointless?

 

[notnothin]

Why is it pointless? I think there has been some good discussion even though there are some that just want to take a stance and not change.

But overall, I think threads like this are good to make others aware that if you need a seat, you need to not depend on others. It's also good to make those who are sitting aware that it's often very appreciated if you are willing and able to help someone else out. How can finding middle ground make a thread pointless?

The incessant, cyclical bickering is the 'pointless' part. No resolution will ever be reached, these threads are a dime a dozen.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

The incessant, cyclical bickering is the 'pointless' part. No resolution will ever be reached, these threads are a dime a dozen.

Please name one topic that involves opinion where resolution will be reached?

 

[notnothin]

Please name one topic that involves opinion where resolution will be reached?

Thanks for reinforcing my point!

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

If I can give up my seat, I sure will. My toddlers and I will stand if it helps someone else who clearly needs a seat. HOWEVER - If I am struggling with my two toddlers and I need them to sit, I WILL stare you down. It's totally ridiculous to sit in a seat while someone else struggles.

I think everyone should be teaching their kids to be kind to those in need and should practise it themselves. This is basic courtesy and respect that is sadly lacking today in everyone's mad rush to get ahead and nurture the 'me me me' mentality. It's apauling what animals we are all turning into. Just my $0.02

And that's not rude? Staring at someone for their seat. You would have eye pain if you were staring at me cause i would not be moving. It's not your place to try to make some one move because you can't handle your kids.

 

[crashbb]

If I can give up my seat, I sure will. My toddlers and I will stand if it helps someone else who clearly needs a seat. HOWEVER - If I am struggling with my two toddlers and I need them to sit, I WILL stare you down. It's totally ridiculous to sit in a seat while someone else struggles.

I think everyone should be teaching their kids to be kind to those in need and should practise it themselves. This is basic courtesy and respect that is sadly lacking today in everyone's mad rush to get ahead and nurture the 'me me me' mentality. It's apauling what animals we are all turning into. Just my $0.02

The only thing that an attempt to "stare me down" will achieve is for me to decide NOT to get up for you/your kids, no matter what. As soon as I notice someone struggling I will offer my seat (if I can - I have a connective tissue disorder, which means that sometimes I really do want/need) the seat, but, if I feel that someone is "staring me down", but butt stays firmly planted in that seat.

I agree, basic courtesy and respect are lacking in today's "me me me" society. One of the ways in which it is displayed is when people decide to, passively-aggressivley, stare people down until they (the ones staring) get what they want.

Note - a request for the seat, would have a totally different response.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Thanks for reinforcing my point!

Touche, but without these types of threads, this would not be a discussion board.

If you don't want to discuss the particular topic, no one is forcing you.