The bus...

[AustinTink]

And there we have it, proof that someone from a big city (Austin) can be an absolute raving ***hole.

I do beleive calling someone that name on the DIS will get you points.

 

[KellyNY]

In today's world, if a small child fell and was seriously hurt on a moving bus, I can't imagine a settlement for Disney's lack of responsbility for providing not only a seat, but a saftey seat with belt for kids under a certain age. There are so many on here that don't think small kids should sit anyway so why is that irresponsible for parents to get on without a seat.

And yes, Disney does "force" or at least strongly encourage you to get on the bus and stand. When our kids were young, we would stand to the side at night and wait for the next bus. The bus drivers would practically make us feel like we were nuts for waiting as the next bus could take up to 15 minutes and that there was plenty of room on the current bus to stand. Yet, we had pre-school kids and didn't want to stand. Who is the one being responsible? Those who listen to Disney bus drivers or not?

In a presence of parent/guardian child is in their responsibility, it is not a school trip. disney is not responsible for someones stupidity. If it would be that easy to get money out of disney, many would just like many did with no fault cases.
Just because driver was suggesting you to get on in not exactly friendly way, does not mean he was forcing you, he did not push you in, right.
Their buses are no different from public transortation, no kids seats, no forcing, the responsibility is yours and yours alone.

 

[AustinTink]

So having so much to hold, you never considered waiting for a next bus. You really think that was the best for you, your family and your conscience to push into full bus, hoping for strangers pity, because I do not see how you could possibly stand and hold all of it and yourself on a moving bus. Bright example of being irresponsible and you have something to say about morals and rules.:sad2:

This was my point. The whole... I guess some people's morals and conscience are not up to par thing really got me.

And, then I'm the one who gets called a curseword. Wow.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

In a presence of parent/guardian child is in their responsibility, it is not a school trip. disney is not responsible for someones stupidity. If it would be that easy to get money out of disney, many would just like many did with no fault cases.
Just because driver was suggesting you to get on in not exactly friendly way, does not mean he was forcing you, he did not push you in, right.
Their buses are no different from public transortation, no kids seats, no forcing, the responsibility is yours and yours alone.

I just don't think it's that big of a deal even though we chose not to do it when our kids were younger. But if I do see someone in a similar sitaution, I won't judge them for being horribly irresponsible, but instead will express some friendliness and courtesy. You don't have to as you've made it abundantly clear. I'm glad to see many recent guests who visited with young kids had more guests willing to help out on the buses than those who would rather judge the family and suggest that they walk a 1/2 mile to the taxi stand or wait 20 minutes for the next bus.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

This was my point. The whole... I guess some people's morals and conscience are not up to par thing really got me.

And, then I'm the one who gets called a curseword. Wow.

The namecalling is uncalled for, but I don't think either side has a monopoly on harshly and rudely judging others.

 

[AustinTink]

I just don't think it's that big of a deal even though we chose not to do it when our kids were younger. But if I do see someone in a similar sitaution, I won't judge them for being horribly irresponsible, but instead will express some friendliness and courtesy. You don't have to as you've made it abundantly clear. I'm glad to see many recent guests who visited with young kids had more guests willing to help out on the buses than those who would rather judge the family and suggest that they walk a 1/2 mile to the taxi stand or wait 20 minutes for the next bus.

I just don't see what's so bad about waiting for the next bus. We did it ALL the time with our toddler. I don't feel comfortable putting other people out in any situation. So we waited, no big deal. But what do I know, I'm a raving bleep.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

Well I think that is why I always have this face when people complain about the buses. I grew up using Mass transportation and when I compare Disney to it, Disney does a really good job. I do agree with those who say the disabled access could be better but that is more because of the party traveling with the disabled most of the time. When disabled passengers use mass transportation they tend to be a more independent group and they are only typically removing three seats when they get on.

I have ridden the train and the bus after very long days and it's no big deal to stand for a couple of minutes. Most who complain to me, seem to be those who aren't used to public transportation and standing for more than 15 minutes.
Any city person will tell you that if the choice is waiting just to sit or standing and getting back home, they will choose the later.

 

[BubMunkeyBles]

Disney brings the worst out of people I've seen (seriously, I never see so many rude people in public than I do at Disney). It drives me bonkers. But it is what it is. In general people being polite has died in this country. I've slowly gotten over it. We live in a country that overall could care less about anyone else. It's why I choose to drive to the parks 9 times out of 10. Don't have to deal with pushy, rude adults.

I've used mass transit in Europe (Paris, Venice, London, Rome, Munich) with my 1 and 2 year old... I'm ALWAYS offered a seat (yes, even in Paris).

 

[reindeer]

I travel to WDW with my DD (30's) every year. She looks younger than her age and physically fit. I have noticed people give her "the look" when I stand and she sits or when she doesn't give up her seat to someone who appers to need it more. I hate that people are so quick to judge. She has MS, spends most of park time in a wheel chair, has to take frequent breaks, and takes pain medications just to get through the day. We love Disney and will continue to visit yearly as long as possible. I am so grateful to be able to share these memories.

 

[KellyNY]

You don't have to as you've made it abundantly clear. I'm glad to see many recent guests who visited with young kids had more guests willing to help out on the buses than those who would rather judge the family and suggest that they walk a 1/2 mile to the taxi stand or wait 20 minutes for the next bus.

And you did not just judge those who will not get up, incluing me.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

I just don't see what's so bad about waiting for the next bus. We did it ALL the time with our toddler. I don't feel comfortable putting other people out in any situation. So we waited, no big deal. But what do I know, I'm a raving bleep.

I see nothing wrong with waiting for the next bus. We did the same thing when our kids were younger.

However, I also understand that just because it may be how I do something, it's not how everyone else does it. I would never expect everyone to behave just like me or impose my own morals or philosophy on anyone else. Instead, if I see a family with two young kids, I will happily give them my seat without judging them. It never crossed my mind that we were "rewarding them for breeding" or blame them for "having children so close together in age". Those were some fairly harsh comments on your part IMO and perhaps you didn't mean to come across so condescending and judgemental, but that's how I interpreted it. The PP was just expressing her gratitude for others behavior and even said she never expected anything.

With so many families at WDW daily, not everyone is going to wait for the next bus. (There are no signs posted about not entering buses if you have young children or need a seat. ) It's how we deal with the situation when presented in front of us. You can sit back and judge them for not being as "good" as you were at their age or you can be kind and give a stranger a needed and much appreciated seat (but only if you are able and desire to do so).

 

[KSDisneyDad]

And you did not just judge those who will not get up, incluing me.

We've been through this ad naseum. I have said numerous times that I do not judge any specific person who doesn't give up their seat. I have said that I do believe you (generic you, not specific you) should give up your seat if you are both able and willing. There is a difference IMO.

I can't judge you specifically as I don't know you. But I have a hard time believing in a busfull of people, that there is not one person who is willing and able. Not everyone has a secret ailment or has been standing in line waiting for the next bus. It's just not possible.

I am actually trying to seek compromise and not harsh "one size fits all" scenario building as you seem to be doing.

 

[brunette8706]

This was my point. The whole... I guess some people's morals and conscience are not up to par thing really got me.

And, then I'm the one who gets called a curseword. Wow.

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Um, when you refer to people that have childen as "breeding" it's a insult and extremely rude.

 

[KellyNY]

I can't judge you specifically as I don't know you. But I have a hard time believing in a busfull of people, that there is not one person who is willing and able. Not everyone has a secret ailment or has been standing in line waiting for the next bus. It's just not possible.

And this is where your judgement comes from. You say that not everyone shoul do as we do, waiting for the next bus, taking care of yourself, but you do not unerstand why some do not do what you do, unless they have hidden
dissabilities.
The bottom line, they do not need to have any dissabilities to remain seated. It was their turn to seat an they need not give any explanations to justify their choice. You can only answer for your choice and need not understand others motives as this is simply none of your business.

 

[AustinTink]

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Um, when you refer to people that have childen as "breeding" it's a insult and extremely rude.

As insulting and rude as implying people who don't give up their seat have no conscience or morals. And, since I have a child, I'm a breeder, too. And, I don't expect a seat for it.

These threads go around and around on this issue and have been for years. It's been beaten to death.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

While I think it would be nice for able bodied adults to give their seats to the elderly, the young, or the very pregnant, I don't think it's required.

Which I think is part of what a lot of you are missing.


Will I do it if I have the opportunity? Yeah. Do I deserve a cookie for it? ...Maybe. Is it chocolate chip?

 

[KSDisneyDad]

And this is where your judgement comes from. You say that not everyone shoul do as we do, waiting for the next bus, taking care of yourself, but you do not unerstand why some do not do what you do, unless they have hidden
dissabilities.
The bottom line, they do not need to have any dissabilities to remain seated. It was their turn to seat an they need not give any explanations to justify their choice. You can only answer for your choice and need not understand others motives as this is simply none of your business.

I actually said that. If you read carefully, I said "willing and able". WILLING is the key word. You're right, if they are not willing, that's okay.

And if you enter a bus and the entire bus is compomised of guests who are neither WILLING OR ABLE to get up, then that's life. My guess is that most guests who find themselves in this situation will stand rather than try to get off the bus and wait for the next one or catch a cab. It's not that big a deal.

Just because I think others should give up their seat if they are BOTH willing and able, doesn't mean that they have to do that. I get this and I apologize that it's taking so long for you to understand this. I am having such a difficult time understanding why you're taking such a hard stance on this issue. Earlier in the thread, you claimed you gladly give up your seat when using public transportation at home, but at Disney guests should just wait or not get on if they have young kids or are elderly, etc.. Why should there be a difference?

 

[Goofy's_Gal]

After reading only about 10 posts, I'm so very happy to say I have never ridden a Disney bus and now certainly never will. Whether I'm staying on property or not, I will do whatever is needed to ensure I drive myself/family to and from the parks. NONE of this experience (just missing a bus, waiting for buses, fighting over seats, struggling with stroller/packages, smelling other stinky people) is worth the 'free' ride.

 

[brunette8706]

As insulting and rude as implying people who don't give up their seat have no conscience or morals. And, since I have a child, I'm a breeder, too. And, I don't expect a seat for it.

These threads go around and around on this issue and have been for years. It's been beaten to death.

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I think where this thread is going and is about it something called "COMMON COURTESY". If I as a woman see an elderly person STAND I will offer my seat as will my husband. This first come first served stuff is just plain CRASS. It's a ME ME ME Society. If I see a pregnant lady with a few kids in tow I would do the same thing, it's the right thing to do. It's called common courtesy. Sheesh!

As far as the word "breeding" when referencing women that have children or are pregnant, I find it offensive.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

I just don't see what's so bad about waiting for the next bus. We did it ALL the time with our toddler. I don't feel comfortable putting other people out in any situation. So we waited, no big deal. But what do I know, I'm a raving bleep.

There is nothing wrong with waiting for the next bus. You should however not think that because you have more kids and gear than you can handle that I'm going to give you my seat. I can stand for 1/2 an hour with my ONE kid and my bag while DH holds the stroller. When you have more than 2 kids your ratio of Adult:Kid: Free hands goes down but that isn't my issue. It's the same thing with pregnant people. If you came to Disney you knew what was going on, i'm not giving you my seat. If we were in a city public transportation system I would though.