The bus...

[KellyNY]

When I say"smarting off"it is usually "adult sarcastic",1,maybe 2 word dig)not loud,nor starting a fight.The"Evil Eye" is a FIGURE OF SPEECH-I just roll my eyes,and maybe shake my head as in "thats a shame".My children don't really know that I'm doing it.So YOU don't KNOW me either-do you? I don't start fights-haven't had 1 since grade school;but I will finish one if someone wants to get too aggressive with me,or my family.I'm 6'4" 350lbs,and wouldn't hurt a fly-unless said fly lands on me. You mam,have NO idea.

We got it already, no need to repeat, you use passive aggressive behaivor. How adult of you.

 

[Don Disney]

We got it already, no need to repeat, you use passive aggressive behaivor. How adult of you.

Thank you your Eminence! Unfortunately-you can't tell me what to do;You're not the boss of me! How's that? Just love a good banter!By the way-be careful in that bad weather up there-Hurricane's ain't no joke-be safe.

 

[sdzman]

Wow, some of the responses on here are simply adolescent. Go ahead and judge, roll your eyes and do what ever else makes you feel better. Do you really think people care what you think? How about you just account for own behavior and your children's behavior and let everyone else act the way they want. Why do people think it's their responsibility to control other people?

 

[rockin2it]

There are a lot of rude people but there are still some nice people out there. I was at WDW last year and my son was a year & a half and I had no problem standing with him on the bus but I never had to stand long because someone ALWAYS offered me their seat. We are going next week so I don't know if people will offer their seat or not. It's fine though..my only major pet peeve is when the buses are crowded and parents let their very small children sit in their own seat. Those children can easily sit on their parents' laps and free up some space for other people.

 

[KellyNY]

Thank you your Eminence! Unfortunately-you can't tell me what to do;You're not the boss of me! How's that? Just love a good banter!By the way-be careful in that bad weather up there-Hurricane's ain't no joke-be safe.

Not even trying to tell you what to do, pointless.
As for weather, thank you for your concern, we prepared for worse and hope for the best, all we can actually do.

 

[brunette8706]

Not even trying to tell you what to do, pointless.
As for weather, thank you for your concern, we prepared for worse and hope for the best, all we can actually do.

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Hi Kelly!

Did you EVACUATE? We're in Maryland, and currently it's not a big deal, it's just raining as of 2 p.m. STAY SAFE!

 

[mickey&minnie04]

I'm sorry but if I choose to wait for the next bus(sometimes more then one) so that I would be sure to have a seat then I am definitely not giving up my seat, nor would I want my husband too.

I'm finding the responses to this post more rude then the fact that someone won't give up their seat. If you want to be sure to get a seat then you need to make arrangements for yourself. You are responsible for your well being! That said if we get on and empty bus and someone gets on after us and the bus is full one of us will give up our seat, but I don't feel obligated and I won't have anyone make me feel bad for not doing it.

 

[goofy4tink]

Man oh man...good thing you guys are debating this over here, and not on the Transportation Board. I would have shut it down pages ago.
Long story short....all WDW buses are built with the expectation that some guests will get seats, the rest will stand. There is no certainty when wanting a seat. Well, I guess if you get on in the first 20 or so, then you'll get a seat.

Generally speaking, the vast majority of people, both here and in WDW, will give up their seat to someone who obviously needs it. I am 62, don't look it at all. I have given my seat up to an older gentleman, to a mother and her infant, to a young man holding his sleeping toddler...to name a few. I have had seats offered to me. I seldom take them. I am more than capable of standing on a moving bus...actually kind of enjoy it.

It's not so much chivalry here, it's plain good manners. If anyone, of any sex, sees someone who seems to need a seat, they usually offer theirs. One would think that common sense and good manners would win out, but that isn't always the case.

Should you give out the old 'evil eye' if you need a seat and you feel someone should give you their seat??? No. It's not your place to impose your needs on someone else. You have no idea what their situation is. I've said it before, I'll say it again. My 6'4'' dh gives up his seat every single time. It doesn't matter to him that he is taking a bus back to the resort early because he can no longer walk due his painful knees. But, up he gets...every time. And he is not the steadiest on his feet on that bus...he is in pain, agony at times....but hey, you got to sit down. Of course, don't complain when the bus jerks and he falls in your lap.

Everyone is tired, some are not feeling well, others probably should have left the park earlier..whatever. Doesn't really matter. It is not up to me to see to it that your child, wife, grannie get seats...not if I have an issue, or my child has an issue. Case in point. My dd got very ill at DHS. We left quickly and headed back to AS Music. There were a good many people waiting for the bus. We got on, took our seats. Well...at this point, there weren't any seats for five or so together any more...people had kind of spread out. I had two seats next to my dd and I. A woman got on the bus and told us that she needed those seats, would we mind moving to the back of the bus where there were more seats. She then wanted to people seated on my dd's side to move as well...that way this woman would keep her group together. I told her that no, I wasn't moving..my dd was sick and she wasn't getting up again. Could I have moved? Sure. But that woman's entitled attitude made me nuts. Why she couldn't take seats throughout the bus was beyond me....they were all going to the same place and getting there in about 10 mins...it wasn't a 5 hr long bus ride.

I will try to be helpful and courteous...but not if someone comes across as 'entitled' to that seat. We are all travelers on this wonderful thing we call earth..we might try to get along and treat each other with common courtesy and respect. My needs are just as important as someone else's..not more, just equal.

Since when do we pit little old ladies against women with babies??? So, who's more important? Who do I give my seat to???

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Since when do we pit little old ladies against women with babies??? So, who's more important? Who do I give my seat to???

That's why I don't give up my seat. I don't have to worry about it.

/that was a joke

 

[maxiesmom]

Man oh man...good thing you guys are debating this over here, and not on the Transportation Board. I would have shut it down pages ago.

I have to say it does seem like the Mods have either been absent on the TPA&S board the last few days, or just content to let us bicker amoungst ourselves. Or maybe they are having a Mod party, and forgot to invite you.

 

[Mom of 2 Wife of 1]

Maybe it's been said -- I haven't read the entire thread -- but you can always tell where people are from based upon how they scan the bus for a seat when they first get on. Anyone from Boston, NYC, Chicago or LA would never expect a seat to be waiting for them on a mass transit system (which WDW is -- 3rd largest in Florida) no less expect someone to give up their seat. It's usually families from smaller places who have rarely taken public transportation, who feel a sense of entitlement due to how much their vacation costs, or else that golly-gee neighborly presumptuousness, who expect someone to give up their seat or have one magically waiting for them.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say: "We'll wait for the next bus so we can have a seat." And these people were not elderly, pregnant or scooter-bound. And no, they didn't have that mysterious, hidden illness or debilitation people like to come up with which has no other symptom known to the medical community except requiring a seat on a bus. They were moving better than me, and I just don't get it. You'll stand for another 15-20 minutes at the bus stop just to sit down on a 10-minute bus ride back to your resort? The only thing more important than money is time, and when you're on vacation the clock is constantly ticking. I always take the first bus. I always stand. I never bother taking a seat because I know it's a matter of life and death for others. Some people need to get their priorities straight, and sitting on a bus for ten minutes just isn't one of them. No, not for anyone. No one. Quote me.

Boy, it sure must be nice living in a small town.

 

[mom2rtk]

It's usually families from smaller places who have rarely taken public transportation, who feel a sense of entitlement due to how much their vacation costs, or else that golly-gee neighborly presumptuousness, who expect someone to give up their seat or have one magically waiting for them.

What does being from a small town have to do with feeling entitled?

And what do manners have to do with entitlement?

Psssstt........ People from small towns are not all Gomer Pyle wanna-be's.

 

[brunette8706]

Man oh man...good thing you guys are debating this over here, and not on the Transportation Board. I would have shut it down pages ago.
Long story short....all WDW buses are built with the expectation that some guests will get seats, the rest will stand. There is no certainty when wanting a seat. Well, I guess if you get on in the first 20 or so, then you'll get a seat.

Generally speaking, the vast majority of people, both here and in WDW, will give up their seat to someone who obviously needs it. I am 62, don't look it at all. I have given my seat up to an older gentleman, to a mother and her infant, to a young man holding his sleeping toddler...to name a few. I have had seats offered to me. I seldom take them. I am more than capable of standing on a moving bus...actually kind of enjoy it.

It's not so much chivalry here, it's plain good manners. If anyone, of any sex, sees someone who seems to need a seat, they usually offer theirs. One would think that common sense and good manners would win out, but that isn't always the case.

Should you give out the old 'evil eye' if you need a seat and you feel someone should give you their seat??? No. It's not your place to impose your needs on someone else. You have no idea what their situation is. I've said it before, I'll say it again. My 6'4'' dh gives up his seat every single time. It doesn't matter to him that he is taking a bus back to the resort early because he can no longer walk due his painful knees. But, up he gets...every time. And he is not the steadiest on his feet on that bus...he is in pain, agony at times....but hey, you got to sit down. Of course, don't complain when the bus jerks and he falls in your lap.

Everyone is tired, some are not feeling well, others probably should have left the park earlier..whatever. Doesn't really matter. It is not up to me to see to it that your child, wife, grannie get seats...not if I have an issue, or my child has an issue. Case in point. My dd got very ill at DHS. We left quickly and headed back to AS Music. There were a good many people waiting for the bus. We got on, took our seats. Well...at this point, there weren't any seats for five or so together any more...people had kind of spread out. I had two seats next to my dd and I. A woman got on the bus and told us that she needed those seats, would we mind moving to the back of the bus where there were more seats. She then wanted to people seated on my dd's side to move as well...that way this woman would keep her group together. I told her that no, I wasn't moving..my dd was sick and she wasn't getting up again. Could I have moved? Sure. But that woman's entitled attitude made me nuts. Why she couldn't take seats throughout the bus was beyond me....they were all going to the same place and getting there in about 10 mins...it wasn't a 5 hr long bus ride.

I will try to be helpful and courteous...but not if someone comes across as 'entitled' to that seat. We are all travelers on this wonderful thing we call earth..we might try to get along and treat each other with common courtesy and respect. My needs are just as important as someone else's..not more, just equal.

Since when do we pit little old ladies against women with babies??? So, who's more important? Who do I give my seat to???

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Great, well written post. I totally agree!

 

[livndisney]

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say: "We'll wait for the next bus so we can have a seat." And these people were not elderly, pregnant or scooter-bound. And no, they didn't have that mysterious, hidden illness or debilitation people like to come up with which has no other symptom known to the medical community except requiring a seat on a bus. They were moving better than me, and I just don't get it. You'll stand for another 15-20 minutes at the bus stop just to sit down on a 10-minute bus ride back to your resort? The only thing more important than money is time, and when you're on vacation the clock is constantly ticking. I always take the first bus. I always stand. I never bother taking a seat because I know it's a matter of life and death for others. Some people need to get their priorities straight, and sitting on a bus for ten minutes just isn't one of them. No, not for anyone. No one.

Boy, it sure must be nice living in a small town.

Sure must be nice having all the answers.

If you take the first bus, why do you care that others are "standing for 15-20 minutes at a bus stop"?.

I agree that some people need to "get their priorities straight" , and stop judging total strangers.

I am thrilled for you that you don't need a seat and that it is not important to you. If my having a seat is important to me and I am not asking for yours, why would you have a issue?

 

[mickey&minnie04]

Maybe it's been said -- I haven't read the entire thread -- but you can always tell where people are from based upon how they scan the bus for a seat when they first get on. Anyone from Boston, NYC, Chicago or LA would never expect a seat to be waiting for them on a mass transit system (which WDW is -- 3rd largest in Florida) no less expect someone to give up their seat. It's usually families from smaller places who have rarely taken public transportation, who feel a sense of entitlement due to how much their vacation costs, or else that golly-gee neighborly presumptuousness, who expect someone to give up their seat or have one magically waiting for them.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say: "We'll wait for the next bus so we can have a seat." And these people were not elderly, pregnant or scooter-bound. And no, they didn't have that mysterious, hidden illness or debilitation people like to come up with which has no other symptom known to the medical community except requiring a seat on a bus. They were moving better than me, and I just don't get it. You'll stand for another 15-20 minutes at the bus stop just to sit down on a 10-minute bus ride back to your resort? The only thing more important than money is time, and when you're on vacation the clock is constantly ticking. I always take the first bus. I always stand. I never bother taking a seat because I know it's a matter of life and death for others. Some people need to get their priorities straight, and sitting on a bus for ten minutes just isn't one of them. No, not for anyone. No one. Quote me.

Boy, it sure must be nice living in a small town.

Why is it such a big deal if someone would prefer to wait for the next bus to guarantee themselves a seat? It's my vacation I've been to Disney before and I'll be there again. I'm not missing anything, I'm enjoying my vacation at my relaxed pace. I don't stand in line the next 15-20 minutes. We sit on a near by bench and if we see the line start to build we get in line to make sure we get a seat on that bus. It's not a big deal and at the end of a long night it's nice to sit on a bench and relax, take in the scenery and just enjoy.

 

[goofy4tink]

I have to say it does seem like the Mods have either been absent on the TPA&S board the last few days, or just content to let us bicker amoungst ourselves. Or maybe they are having a Mod party, and forgot to invite you.

Well, it wouldn't be the first time!!! I think the TP mods may actually have ilves, whereas, I don't!!!

What does being from a small town have to do with feeling entitled?

And what do manners have to do with entitlement?

Psssstt........ People from small towns are not all Gomer Pyle wanna-be's.

I think it's a case of those who live in, or near, large cities are more used to public transit....they are used to standing on buses, subway cars, etc. But, even though public transist is nothing new, or unusual, for me, I still give up my seat for someone who needs it more.

Maybe it's been said -- I haven't read the entire thread -- but you can always tell where people are from based upon how they scan the bus for a seat when they first get on. Anyone from Boston, NYC, Chicago or LA would never expect a seat to be waiting for them on a mass transit system (which WDW is -- 3rd largest in Florida) no less expect someone to give up their seat. It's usually families from smaller places who have rarely taken public transportation, who feel a sense of entitlement due to how much their vacation costs, or else that golly-gee neighborly presumptuousness, who expect someone to give up their seat or have one magically waiting for them.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say: "We'll wait for the next bus so we can have a seat." And these people were not elderly, pregnant or scooter-bound. And no, they didn't have that mysterious, hidden illness or debilitation people like to come up with which has no other symptom known to the medical community except requiring a seat on a bus. They were moving better than me, and I just don't get it. You'll stand for another 15-20 minutes at the bus stop just to sit down on a 10-minute bus ride back to your resort? The only thing more important than money is time, and when you're on vacation the clock is constantly ticking. I always take the first bus. I always stand. I never bother taking a seat because I know it's a matter of life and death for others. Some people need to get their priorities straight, and sitting on a bus for ten minutes just isn't one of them. No, not for anyone. No one. Quote me.

Boy, it sure must be nice living in a small town.

Here's why someone would stand for an addtl 15 mins vs getting on a bus. That person may be very uncomfortable standing on a bus, they may be feeling unwell, or have some other 'need' to be seated on a moving vehicle. So, it is better for them to remain at the bus stop and wait for a bus that they can be certain of getting a seat on.
When I'm on vacation, the clock is not even operational, let alone ticking. I know better than to hurry around, trying to get it all done at WDW. But, I am incredibly fortunate and have been able to take many, many more trips to WDW than I ever imagined possible. So, I can take a more laid back approach.

 

[mom2rtk]

I think it's a case of those who live in, or near, large cities are more used to public transit....they are used to standing on buses, subway cars, etc. But, even though public transist is nothing new, or unusual, for me, I still give up my seat for someone who needs it more.

I agree with what YOU said. But I found the comment from the PP connecting being from a small town with "golly-gee neighborly presumptuousness" and a sense of "entitlement" to be stereotypical and narrow-minded. And I'm not even from a small town.

 

[crashbb]

I agree with what YOU said. But I found the comment from the PP connecting being from a small town with "golly-gee neighborly presumptuousness" and a sense of "entitlement" to be stereotypical and narrow-minded. And I'm not even from a small town.

Agreed!

On the other hand, I took the streetcar yesterday (in a big city). It was full and when a pregnant lady walked onto the streetcar, three separate people jumped up to offer a seat.

 

[Disneyholic]

Here's why someone would stand for an addtl 15 mins vs getting on a bus. That person may be very uncomfortable standing on a bus, they may be feeling unwell, or have some other 'need' to be seated on a moving vehicle. So, it is better for them to remain at the bus stop and wait for a bus that they can be certain of getting a seat on.
When I'm on vacation, the clock is not even operational, let alone ticking. I know better than to hurry around, trying to get it all done at WDW. But, I am incredibly fortunate and have been able to take many, many more trips to WDW than I ever imagined possible. So, I can take a more laid back approach.

This is the point I have been trying to make. When we are on VACATION at WDW we are on VACATION, not Commando Mode. We wait at the end of the day because at that time I need a seat. In the morning, not so much. But looking at me you wouldn't know that I have a heart condition that makes me tired after a lot of walking. I am on meds for it which controls most of the symptom, but I still get winded & woozy by the end of the day. So, what a lot of people on here are saying is I should cut my day short or get a car. (Actually, we have a car with us, but after driving 1200 miles to get there, the last thing we want to see until it is time to go home, is our car. We will be in it for another 1200 miles to go home.) There have been plenty of days that we have watched the fireworks from the train station so we could get out of the park ahead of the crowds or we have waited on a bench in the park or looked through stores until the crowds die down before we even attempt to leave the park. If we wait to leave and the crowds at the bus stop are still long, I sit on the sidewalk in line until another bus comes & the line moves. Then I sit again. ( of course, I usually need DH to help me get up most of the time.)

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Man oh man...good thing you guys are debating this over here, and not on the Transportation Board. I would have shut it down pages ago.
Long story short....all WDW buses are built with the expectation that some guests will get seats, the rest will stand. There is no certainty when wanting a seat. Well, I guess if you get on in the first 20 or so, then you'll get a seat.

Generally speaking, the vast majority of people, both here and in WDW, will give up their seat to someone who obviously needs it. I am 62, don't look it at all. I have given my seat up to an older gentleman, to a mother and her infant, to a young man holding his sleeping toddler...to name a few. I have had seats offered to me. I seldom take them. I am more than capable of standing on a moving bus...actually kind of enjoy it.

It's not so much chivalry here, it's plain good manners. If anyone, of any sex, sees someone who seems to need a seat, they usually offer theirs. One would think that common sense and good manners would win out, but that isn't always the case.

Should you give out the old 'evil eye' if you need a seat and you feel someone should give you their seat??? No. It's not your place to impose your needs on someone else. You have no idea what their situation is. I've said it before, I'll say it again. My 6'4'' dh gives up his seat every single time. It doesn't matter to him that he is taking a bus back to the resort early because he can no longer walk due his painful knees. But, up he gets...every time. And he is not the steadiest on his feet on that bus...he is in pain, agony at times....but hey, you got to sit down. Of course, don't complain when the bus jerks and he falls in your lap.

Everyone is tired, some are not feeling well, others probably should have left the park earlier..whatever. Doesn't really matter. It is not up to me to see to it that your child, wife, grannie get seats...not if I have an issue, or my child has an issue. Case in point. My dd got very ill at DHS. We left quickly and headed back to AS Music. There were a good many people waiting for the bus. We got on, took our seats. Well...at this point, there weren't any seats for five or so together any more...people had kind of spread out. I had two seats next to my dd and I. A woman got on the bus and told us that she needed those seats, would we mind moving to the back of the bus where there were more seats. She then wanted to people seated on my dd's side to move as well...that way this woman would keep her group together. I told her that no, I wasn't moving..my dd was sick and she wasn't getting up again. Could I have moved? Sure. But that woman's entitled attitude made me nuts. Why she couldn't take seats throughout the bus was beyond me....they were all going to the same place and getting there in about 10 mins...it wasn't a 5 hr long bus ride.

I will try to be helpful and courteous...but not if someone comes across as 'entitled' to that seat. We are all travelers on this wonderful thing we call earth..we might try to get along and treat each other with common courtesy and respect. My needs are just as important as someone else's..not more, just equal.

Since when do we pit little old ladies against women with babies??? So, who's more important? Who do I give my seat to???

Good post. I agree with most everything. I've been trying to say on these theads that it is my belief that guests should give up their seat if they see someone who obviously needs it more than they do. I'm not talking to any specific individual and I don't think that anyone standing has the right to "expect" a seat. That said, some situations just happen and judging someone who gets on a bus with a sleeping child is no different than judging an entire busload of people as a whole that ignores those in need regardless of how they got into their immediate situation.

As I said before, I think this thread topic tends to draw the extremes and in reality, there is good middle ground. But unfortunately, this topic seems to always invoke controvery because even by doing nothing you are often deemed to be judging someone else (right or wrong).