Teen Mom

[minniebeth]

I could not get over how much she looks like her grandfather, Dereks dad. She has the same fore head!

I was thinking the same thing...there's no denying that Derek isn't Sophia's dad with those looks! (Even though DNA proved it to be so...)

 

[HonnyDipp]

I know that Fariah was denied Social Security benefits for Sofia because of Derek's mom. Now that they went to court and they ruled in Fariah's favor, was she able to get the benefits for Sofia?

 

[cornflake]

Ryan. I was also annoyed with Ryan coming home from work and not even saying hi to his son, but you have to remember, this show has been edited. And I wonder if they WANT us to see his parents showing more concern over Bentley. But I do think that his parents, especially his mom need to back off. Maci has given that child a home on her own since Bentley was an infant. She was living hours away, and gave him a good home. And if they think that a judge can force Macy to not live with a guy she's not married to, they are ridiculous and foolish! Bentley ADORES Kyle, their son Ryan, because he's a boy child, turned his back on Maci, so because of that, she's not allowed to be with anyone else? Seriously?

There is a cut in that Ryan scene - he comes home, his mother says he's filthy or whatever and then there's a cut and he's moved to a different spot in the kitchen and we see Bentley walking out of the kitchen behind Ryan's dad.

Maci moved Bentley two hours away from his father and four loving grandparents - with no notice to any of them - because she was tired of driving two hours on the weekend to see her bf. I don't think 'a good home' is moving now three or four times in two years as Maci changes her ever-loving mind about stuff and chases a guy.

Yes, a judge absolutely can force Maci not to live with Kyle, it's not an uncommon thing to say no non-spousal partners living with either parent. I think Ryan can and should go to court and get 50/50 split physical custody and that added in, before Maci moves onto the next guy she sits and asks Bentley to hug and kiss and etc. She has nothing going on in her life, she persistantly flunks or drops classes, she has no job (yes, she's getting paid for this but it's not going to help her resume in 10 years - as odious as I find Farrah, she's been shown holding down a job quite a bit and actually finished something, associate's in restaurant management though it is, it's something), she's just looking for someone to leech off of. She doesn't even cook for that kid, for someone with no job or school.

I know that Fariah was denied Social Security benefits for Sofia because of Derek's mom. Now that they went to court and they ruled in Fariah's favor, was she able to get the benefits for Sofia?

No, doesn't matter. The issue was that Derek, according to the people SS talked to and whatever else they found, didn't express to people that he was to be a father or that he had intention of supporting the child.

I don't think his mother calling them up and saying 'oh, wait, I was wrong, he did' would work even if she wanted to, but there's nothing to indicate she does (especially now that she was denied visitation) and she's probably not the only person they talked to regardless.

Are you sure you are remembering the correct episode? Do you remember when Ryan would leave Maci and HIS SON in that apt by themselves and never do anything to help out? Do you remember when he wouldn't change a diaper or feed Bentley when he was an infant? She moved out of that apt to get some help as she was 17 and had an infant to take care of by herself!

Yes, and I remember thinking Maci was a martyrish tool for whining and going on about she waaaanted him to want to change diapers or what have you, when she should have just handed him the baby and gone to the library to study.

However, I now see he was right, she's lazy as ..... and would prefer to spend her time whining about boyfriend issues than actually getting schoolwork done, as it's all she's done for three semesters.

He should be paying support! He's Bentley's father!!!!! Just because Maci lived at home and you 'believe' she wasted her parents money by dropping classes has no relevance on Ryan paying for his son. And they have shown Maci working in previous seasons. Probably more than they've shown Ryan working.

Yes, if there isn't 50/50 custody, he should be paying support. Hopefully he'll get that taken care of so there need be no support payments.

However, all I was saying is that Maci wasn't out on her own struggling, she was living with her parents, so she had no housing costs at the very least, and was getting child support. She was hardly a single mother in a little apartment struggling to make ends meet.

They've shown Maci working at her father's office and bartending once or twice. They've never shown Ryan working because Ryan isn't filmed at work. He had a good job - it paid for an apartment, vehicle, etc. - originally, was laid off, was on unemployment, now has another full-time job. Additionally, I BELIEVE (which is not key for 'made up' but for 'I can't tell you what episode it's in however, pretty sure I heard it') Maci is the one who said he had a degree of some sort at some point.

She probably was bored-2yr olds take up a lot of your time. In my mind that shows how much she takes care of him and loves him. When her son leaves the house she doesn't know what to do with herself.

If she was bored she could have - here's a novel idea, Maci - studied and worked on her classwork! She just sat there staring at Kyle, waiting to be entertained same as when she was living in Nashville and calling him at work to say she was bored and when was he coming home and then whining that he was tired from work and didn't want to go out.

As for caring for Bentley, she keeps him alive, but she hardly takes care of him that much imo. She's constantly feeding him disgusting, frozen junk - he was eating uncrustables on his birthday episode, with her and Kyle sitting right there, both unemployed, nothing to do and neither could be arsed to make the kid a sandwich? Then this episode, he was having frozen french toast. We've also seen her feeding him Gerber Graduates. She does nothing, she could at least cook. I get the feeling that if we check back in 10 years, Maci will have three or four kids, by three or four guys, have moved around to chase them, done nothing in school and leeched off of them all and never really held a job.

Most of the time, Maci is on the couch, lounging and/or complaining about her bf troubles, while Bentley wanders around playing with what's scattered. Maybe they just don't show it, but we've never seen them going to or speaking about a class, an enriching activity, I don't think I've ever seen her reading to the kid, painting with him, anything.

What's worse is that she thinks she's some awesome mother who never makes mistakes. Remember a couple of episodes ago when she told Ryan that 'if' she was ever wrong, then he could talk, and told her mother she'd never made any mistakes - as Bentley splashed about in front of them? Girl has delusions of grandeur.

 

[HonnyDipp]

I'm sorry, but I don't see how any judge can force Maci who is over 18 to NOT live with her boyfriend. Kyle has no criminal record, good guy. I don't get that. A judge needs to grant custody, cause Maci and Ryan are not perfect in this situation, but her having Kyle in her life, a guy who has been nothing but good to her and Bentley, I just don't see how that could cause a problem. Its not like she has a different guy in her bed every night. She's been with Kyle for a while now. Perhaps if Ryan was more mature and was able to take proper care of Maci and Bentley, this wouldn't even be an issue. Maci moved on, can't fault her for that.

Ryan chooses what to tell his parents. Maci invited Ryan to spend the day with her Kyle and Bentley. For obvious reasons, Ryan turned down the offer. But when his parents asked him he point blank told them that Maci never invited him. Now Maci screwed up when she expected Ryan to allow Bentley to stay with her after his birthday party. I didn't like how she forced the issue. I heard that TN parental rights go to the mother. Period. So, I will be curious to see what happens when they go to court. Seeing how Maci was able to provide for Bentley even living hours away. They have nothing bad on Maci. Nothing saying she's unstable or unfit. Just looking at Bentley, its clear that he wants for nothing and is well loved.

Also, I heard that Kyle worked for Coke-Cola when he was living in Nashville. Making over 35k a year. MTV is giving him a great salary!

 

[cornflake]

I'm sorry, but I don't see how any judge can force Maci who is over 18 to NOT live with her boyfriend. Kyle has no criminal record, good guy. I don't get that. A judge needs to grant custody, cause Maci and Ryan are not perfect in this situation, but her having Kyle in her life, a guy who has been nothing but good to her and Bentley, I just don't see how that could cause a problem. Its not like she has a different guy in her bed every night. She's been with Kyle for a while now.

It has nothing to do with Kyle, it's a blanket order.

The court isn't going to delve into specific relationships and decide 'well, this guy seems ok, this girl is iffy,' it will just say no non-spousal romantic partners living in the house with the minor child, to prevent a potential scenario where there's a new person in and out over and over.

Perhaps if Ryan was more mature and was able to take proper care of Maci and Bentley, this wouldn't even be an issue. Maci moved on, can't fault her for that.

I get the feeling Maci thinks he is or was but Ryan is and was always under 0 obligation to take care of Maci, she's an adult (and yes she was 17 or whatever when she moved in with him but she wasn't his child and in many states having a child of your own summarily emancipates you if you're under age). She does seem to want to be supported by a guy, but that's on her.

I heard that TN parental rights go to the mother. Period. So, I will be curious to see what happens when they go to court. Seeing how Maci was able to provide for Bentley even living hours away. They have nothing bad on Maci. Nothing saying she's unstable or unfit. Just looking at Bentley, its clear that he wants for nothing and is well loved.

Also, I heard that Kyle worked for Coke-Cola when he was living in Nashville. Making over 35k a year. MTV is giving him a great salary!
Today 01:32 PM

Tennessee may not be the most advanced but there's no way they're that backwards. In no state do rights default to one parent over the other.

In many states, I'd assume also Tenn., if there are unmarried parents the mother is presumed to have full physical custody unless and until a paternity determination is reached, which may be what you meant. However, once paternity is established, the courts seek to be gender-neutral in deciding custody issues.

As for Kyle making money - he's making whatever Maci chooses to give him. The storyline - Maci - is paid, not individual people like they would be on a scripted show.

 

[HonnyDipp]

again, Maci is the mom, and if they can show that she's unfit and unstable, perhaps they have leverage. But she can provide a stable home for Bentley, I can't see the state forcing her to live a certain way. Ryan, lives with his parents. From what I hear, they pay Bentley's child support. The only thing I've seen Ryan do is yawn on queue. As for the state going into Kyle's past. There's nothing there. Grown man who adores Bentley who is living with his mom. That's all they will find.

We will have to agree to disagree. But IMO, Maci has the better lifestyle. Also, I hear that MTV gives Kyle a nice check for the amount of time he's on camera.

 

[cornflake]

again, Maci is the mom, and if they can show that she's unfit and unstable, perhaps they have leverage. But she can provide a stable home for Bentley, I can't see the state forcing her to live a certain way. Ryan, lives with his parents. From what I hear, they pay Bentley's child support. The only thing I've seen Ryan do is yawn on queue. As for the state going into Kyle's past. There's nothing there. Grown man who adores Bentley who is living with his mom. That's all they will find.

We will have to agree to disagree. But IMO, Maci has the better lifestyle. Also, I hear that MTV gives Kyle a nice check for the amount of time he's on camera.

Ryan is his father, her being the mom is meaningless. They don't have to show she's anything (though I think her moving to chase a guy with 2 days notice will get him a better custody deal than the mediation).

Again, it's not about Kyle in particular, he's not the issue, it's moving a non-spousal partner into the child's home that's the issue. They aren't going to look at his past or anything else, has nothing to do with him, it's a blanket order.

As for the child support - Ryan was paying it himself, they use the state system that deducted it from his checks and deposited it in her account.

Remember a couple of episodes ago when it wasn't deposited and she accused Ryan of withholding it and he offered to show her his pay stubs to prove it was being deducted? She didn't want to see them, spent half the episode *****ing to her friend that he was playing games and was a deadbeat or whatever and it turned out to be a clerical error on the part of the bank?

The network doesn't pay the individual people - they will pick up tabs for stuff when out but they don't write checks to everybody. Same as every reality show, the storyline is paid, not the individual people.

 

[HonnyDipp]

Ryan is his father, her being the mom is meaningless. They don't have to show she's anything (though I think her moving to chase a guy with 2 days notice will get him a better custody deal than the mediation).

Again, it's not about Kyle in particular, he's not the issue, it's moving a non-spousal partner into the child's home that's the issue. They aren't going to look at his past or anything else, has nothing to do with him, it's a blanket order.

As for the child support - Ryan was paying it himself, they use the state system that deducted it from his checks and deposited it in her account.

Remember a couple of episodes ago when it wasn't deposited and she accused Ryan of withholding it and he offered to show her his pay stubs to prove it was being deducted? She didn't want to see them, spent half the episode *****ing to her friend that he was playing games and was a deadbeat or whatever and it turned out to be a clerical error on the part of the bank?

The network doesn't pay the individual people - they will pick up tabs for stuff when out but they don't write checks to everybody. Same as every reality show, the storyline is paid, not the individual people.

Regardless, Maci has given that boy a good home on her own with no support from her family, so until I see something different, my mind is made up on who is more stable and balanced. Sorry, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

 

[cornflake]

Regardless, Maci has given that boy a good home on her own with no support from her family, so until I see something different, my mind is made up on who is more stable and balanced. Sorry, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Same here - but Maci has given him a home with no support from her family for like a month. She lived with Ryan, then lived with her parents, then moved to Nashville and Kyle moved in, now back to Chatt with Kyle living there. Time Maci has been on her own is....beyond minimal, I think it was only in Nashville before Kyle moved in and she was only in Nashville for a few months anyway.

I also don't see like 4 moves in two years, some for no reason besides not wanting to drive 2 hours to see her bf, which meant the kid had to make the trip to see his parent, as stable, but to each his or her own.

 

[HonnyDipp]

Maci could have mooched off her parents, but she didn't. For that, she has my respect.

 

[DVCisME]

I think the courts would lean more to Maci. She has had the day to day responsibilities since birth and more often than Ryan. Also she is able to provide Bentley with a home, all necessities, and extras.
I also think the food issue that was brought up is moot. Maci might just serve quick serve food during taping days. Kate Gosselin was always shown providing her children with "organic, homemade meals". That were actually catered. You just don't know.
I also think one's perspective is skewed with personal experience. I am sure many parents could relate to Maci being "bored" when she doesn't have Bentley since it is out of the norm.

 

[brockash]

I think the courts would lean more to Maci. She has had the day to day responsibilities since birth and more often than Ryan. Also she is able to provide Bentley with a home, all necessities, and extras.
I also think the food issue that was brought up is moot. Maci might just serve quick serve food during taping days. Kate Gosselin was always shown providing her children with "organic, homemade meals". That were actually catered. You just don't know.
I also think one's perspective is skewed with personal experience. I am sure many parents could relate to Maci being "bored" when she doesn't have Bentley since it is out of the norm.

ITA! Honestly, I'm pretty baffled by some of the other responses. I think you must be spot on about views being skewed with personal experience...I'd venture to say strongly skewed.

 

[MosMom]

Ryan does not give a hoot about Bentley. He does what he does for his parents because they want to see Bentley. If they cared as much as he did, they would never see him at all.

 

[cornflake]

Maci could have mooched off her parents, but she didn't. For that, she has my respect.

She mooched off her parents for most of his life - she was living with them for quite some time.

That actually wouldn't bother me had she been working and actually attending school. However...

 

[MrsPete]

Can a legal agreement state whether one party or the other can live with other people, as Ryan's mom suggested? I also thought it was weird that his mom asked if they would ever get together again.

Farrah's story is kind of stretched to the limit, in my opinion. Her mom seems to be the primary caregiver to Sophia.

Yes, legal agreements CAN include details about one parent living with another person. They can also include agreements about not moving farther than X number of miles away, agreeements about saving for college and other things that aren't "standard". But both parents have to agree to them (and often it takes a judge's help to get it all agreed upon), and clearly we're talking about agreements between people who couldn't get along well enough to stay together. Sometimes people'll agree to item A so they can get item B, which they really want. Usually there are no winners in these situations.

I agree that Farrah's mom is the primary caregiver, even though Farrah seems to be growing up a bit and is paying a little more attention to Sophia.

Ryan has a job, Maci is the one sitting on her orange butt doing nothing - she's spent two years in community college and has racked up 8 credits after withdrawing from three semesters worth of classes and flunking two classes outright. She's taken every summer "off" so she can sit around doing nothing, she moved to chase a guy then moved back and now they're both unemployed and uneducated.

I agree. I don't see why people see Maci as "the good one". She keeps a clean house, her child is presentable and she interacts with him, and she doesn't yell at people like Amber or Farrah, and she's not abused like Catelynn . . . but she only has Bentley half the time (in reality it seems that she's partnering with Ryan's mom to raise the child), she doesn't work, and she's not able to pass community college classes? That's not admirable.

Wow, do you know Ryan or something? I don't get how you can totally be on his side.

He's no shiney penny -- not by a long shot. What able-bodied young man wouldn't take that trucking job when it was handed to him on a silver platter? Really, has anyone ever come to your house and offered you a job? That's never happened to me. He clearly knew he didn't need the money because his parents would pay his child support, etc. for him. He's spoiled rotten.

But Maci is no better.

Had Sophia been born and Farrah taken him to court (as, despite her rosy retro glasses she had told him she wanted him entirely out of her life, she theoretically could've)

Rosy retro glasses -- that's exactly what Farrah is wearing. Early in the season she didn't even want the boy to know that she was pregnant, changed her phone number . . . and now everything in her life is bad because he's gone? She's romanticizing the past, imagining that the relationship would've improved once the baby was born. Clearly this is what all the girls imagine: The boy'll step up, marry me, adore the baby, support us both . . . but Farrah's holding on to the fantasy because she's not had the real life experiences that the other girls have had; thus, she's free to imagine that the boy would've turned into pure gold once the baby was born.

And why in the world does she seem to think she's such a loser because she hasn't met anyone else? How many of us had met our spouses by age 20? I hadn't.

He never asked her to cancel anything - he asked if he could see Bentley on his birthday. She said he could come to the aquarium. She didn't say he could come by and see him later or take him for ice cream at some point or anything. I think Ryan should have asked specifically for some such but he didn't.

Yeah, they behaved like adolescents -- wait, there'd be a reason for that!

Are you kidding me? How in the world would Ryan even have the right to even think that (as even if it were true, I don't think anyone should ever say that to someone.) She's been Bentley's sole provider his entire life.

When has she provided for Bentley? She lived with Ryan, and he worked. She went back to her parent's house, where they paid the bills. She moved to Nashville (?) and "took the summer off". Then she moved back to Chatanooga, but still isn't working. I don't see that she's ever really provided for Bentley.

She has been his primary caretaker -- though her mother and Ryan's mother both seem to be very involved. It looks like she has plenty of breaks.

Ryan seems to be the least-involved person involved in Bentley's physical care.

Caitlin and Tyler. I have to say, these two are my least favorite. They're good kids, but their lifestyle bugs me. I'm more of a fan of Tyler's mom, its obvious to me that she can't stand the hold Caitlin has on her son. Also, are they expecting too much of the adoptive parents to allow their daughter to attended their graduation? Last season C and T were talking about Brendon and Theresa allowing their daughter to be a flower girl in their wedding. Is that too much? I get its an open adoption, but is that a little excessive?

I think these two are doing extremely well considering the upbringing they've had. Tyler especially seems to have grown up a great deal since the show began.

They're definitely expecting too much of the adoptive parents -- expecting Carly to attend their graduation and be in their wedding is over-the-top. It's like they seem themselves as an aunt-and-uncle who live far away but want to have a relationship with the child.

What's worse is that she thinks she's some awesome mother who never makes mistakes.

I think most of the teen moms have insisted at some point that they're great moms. They seem to confuse loving the baby with being a good mom. Loving the baby is the foundation of being a good mom, but a whole lot of other things come into play as well.

 

[cornflake]

Yes, legal agreements CAN include details about one parent living with another person. They can also include agreements about not moving farther than X number of miles away, agreeements about saving for college and other things that aren't "standard". But both parents have to agree to them (and often it takes a judge's help to get it all agreed upon), and clearly we're talking about agreements between people who couldn't get along well enough to stay together. Sometimes people'll agree to item A so they can get item B, which they really want. Usually there are no winners in these situations.

If it's a product of mediation both parties must agree but a judge can order whatever he or she sees fit, with or without the parents' agreeing.

Hence, had Ryan gotten to court before Maci went to Nashville, he likely could have gotten an order requiring her to stay. Well, not requiring her, she can do what she pleases, but an order preventing her from moving Bentley away. The issue would then likely have been adjudicated or they'd have been sent to mediation again but in general, if we're talking about court not a mediation, no one has to agree, judge has the power.

He's no shiney penny -- not by a long shot. What able-bodied young man wouldn't take that trucking job when it was handed to him on a silver platter? Really, has anyone ever come to your house and offered you a job? That's never happened to me. He clearly knew he didn't need the money because his parents would pay his child support, etc. for him. He's spoiled rotten.

But Maci is no better.

I think the way the show presented it was really unclear - the guy Ryan's dad knew didn't actually offer him a job, he offered him a spot in his trucking school. He wanted Ryan to sign up to go to trucking school and told him that after he did the school, he'd be able to get a job.

I agree Ryan isn't some super duper guy or anything, but I thought the trucking thing wasn't a good idea either. If he had no other skills and no prospects, I could see it. But if he doesn't want to drive that much, and I think to do that you have to be able to like it, but I agree needing food is another ball game, then... However, he did have another skill, which he's certified in some way for, so I can see sticking with what he knows if he has some reason to believe the skill is still in demand.

The child support was never paid by his parents tho, was always taken out of his paychecks and his unemployment checks directly. He was living with them since he got laid off but it was his money going to Bentley's care.

And why in the world does she seem to think she's such a loser because she hasn't met anyone else? How many of us had met our spouses by age 20? I hadn't.

Thank You! This drives me absolutely bananas with both her and Maci, going on about finding a guy, making a family, it's nuts. You're like 19, stop looking for someone to flipping marry you. I don't care if they date, as long as they keep it away from the kids, but the 'need a husband!' stuff is just bizarre.

Yeah, they behaved like adolescents -- wait, there'd be a reason for that!

Heh, ok, good point.

I think these two are doing extremely well considering the upbringing they've had. Tyler especially seems to have grown up a great deal since the show began.

They're definitely expecting too much of the adoptive parents -- expecting Carly to attend their graduation and be in their wedding is over-the-top. It's like they seem themselves as an aunt-and-uncle who live far away but want to have a relationship with the child.

Agree on the unrealistic w/re Carly but they're my faves, hands down. I think, even with them having messed up, they're the most mature by far on the show - and they have a better relationship than many adult couples I know.

They actually talk stuff out, they speak to each other with respect, they take care with the other's feelings, etc. It really is better than many adults I know, and given the mess they grew up with - honestly, Butch and April for parents? Who grows up with two literal meth heads who didn't make it out of high school and ends up with as much sense, maturity, calmness, etc. as Caitlin and Tyler?

 

[Sparx]

Yes, legal agreements CAN include details about one parent living with another person. They can also include agreements about not moving farther than X number of miles away, agreeements about saving for college and other things that aren't "standard". But both parents have to agree to them (and often it takes a judge's help to get it all agreed upon), and clearly we're talking about agreements between people who couldn't get along well enough to stay together. Sometimes people'll agree to item A so they can get item B, which they really want. Usually there are no winners in these situations.

I agree that Farrah's mom is the primary caregiver, even though Farrah seems to be growing up a bit and is paying a little more attention to Sophia. I agree. I don't see why people see Maci as "the good one". She keeps a clean house, her child is presentable and she interacts with him, and she doesn't yell at people like Amber or Farrah, and she's not abused like Catelynn . . . but she only has Bentley half the time (in reality it seems that she's partnering with Ryan's mom to raise the child), she doesn't work, and she's not able to pass community college classes? That's not admirable. He's no shiney penny -- not by a long shot. What able-bodied young man wouldn't take that trucking job when it was handed to him on a silver platter? Really, has anyone ever come to your house and offered you a job? That's never happened to me. He clearly knew he didn't need the money because his parents would pay his child support, etc. for him. He's spoiled rotten.

But Maci is no better. Rosy retro glasses -- that's exactly what Farrah is wearing. Early in the season she didn't even want the boy to know that she was pregnant, changed her phone number . . . and now everything in her life is bad because he's gone? She's romanticizing the past, imagining that the relationship would've improved once the baby was born. Clearly this is what all the girls imagine: The boy'll step up, marry me, adore the baby, support us both . . . but Farrah's holding on to the fantasy because she's not had the real life experiences that the other girls have had; thus, she's free to imagine that the boy would've turned into pure gold once the baby was born.

And why in the world does she seem to think she's such a loser because she hasn't met anyone else? How many of us had met our spouses by age 20? I hadn't. Yeah, they behaved like adolescents -- wait, there'd be a reason for that! When has she provided for Bentley? She lived with Ryan, and he worked. She went back to her parent's house, where they paid the bills. She moved to Nashville (?) and "took the summer off". Then she moved back to Chatanooga, but still isn't working. I don't see that she's ever really provided for Bentley.

She has been his primary caretaker -- though her mother and Ryan's mother both seem to be very involved. It looks like she has plenty of breaks.

Ryan seems to be the least-involved person involved in Bentley's physical care. I think these two are doing extremely well considering the upbringing they've had. Tyler especially seems to have grown up a great deal since the show began.

They're definitely expecting too much of the adoptive parents -- expecting Carly to attend their graduation and be in their wedding is over-the-top. It's like they seem themselves as an aunt-and-uncle who live far away but want to have a relationship with the child. I think most of the teen moms have insisted at some point that they're great moms. They seem to confuse loving the baby with being a good mom. Loving the baby is the foundation of being a good mom, but a whole lot of other things come into play as well.

If you watch the older 16 and pregnant when they're working with the agency they had the most awful woman who not only created the delusion but let them hold on to it. She said anything and everything to keep them going through with the adoption. So yes, Caitlyn and Tyler have this fantasy of being an aunt and uncle to carly because that's what they were told they'd be able to do. In the first season of teen mom there is a lot of angst and confusion about their relationship because an open adoption turned out to not be Aunt Caitlyn and Uncle Tyler sending presents to carly. It was an evelope of pictures every other six months. No one in their lives told them what it was REALLY going to be like and that was cruel.

 

[anniemae]

I often wonder if Brandon and Theresa (Carly's adoptive parents) watch the show, and if they do, what they think.

It seems like C and T are very mature and are already like an old married couple puttering around the house making chili. They talk about everything, which is good. Like when Tylers dad said he could not make the graduation party, C was like, "are you okay, does it bother you that he won't come?"

What were C and T promised by the adoption agency? I did not see that season where she was pregnant so I am curious as to what they were told the relationship with the adoptive parents would be like.

 

[Sparx]

I often wonder if Brandon and Theresa (Carly's adoptive parents) watch the show, and if they do, what they think.

It seems like C and T are very mature and are already like an old married couple puttering around the house making chili. They talk about everything, which is good. Like when Tylers dad said he could not make the graduation party, C was like, "are you okay, does it bother you that he won't come?"

What were C and T promised by the adoption agency? I did not see that season where she was pregnant so I am curious as to what they were told the relationship with the adoptive parents would be like.

The best that I can remember, please correct me if anyone remembers this differently, but the adoption agent was a lot more interested in handing off the baby than being 100% honest with caitlyn and tyler. Honestly I got the impression that she thought they were stupid and needed to be placated. Whenever they were discussing the options and they started talking about an open adoption she wasn't as firm as I think she should have been when they came up with ideas about it. Like she said there would be communication between them. She didn't say that that communication would be an envelope of photographs in six or twelve months. She let them create a fantasy world where they were going to see carly and have weekly phone calls and buy her toys and play with her. That's really not what an open adoption is.

Once the baby was handed off caitlyn and tyler are left wanting for this relationship that was never actually going to happen. They were really hurt and confused for a long time. I don't think that they would have chosen to not go through with the adoption if the agent had been honest, but I do think they could have saved themselves a lot of heartbreak afterwards if they had a real idea of what to expect.

 

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I do have to admit I'm a bit bored by Caitlyn and Tyler and that's probably because they don't have a child to take care of so it's pretty much like watching the teenage kids that live across the street from me grow up on tv.
But, The last couple episodes have made me feel better about them. I hope they can stay together. Caitlyn really needs Tyler on so many levels. She really needs to continue therapy to gain some self-esteem.
I am happy they both are finishing high-school and have gotten jobs. I would be happy if their story ended now.
Honestly, I'm pretty much done with this entire cast.

Farrah has come to terms with Derek's death and has 'grown up' in many ways. She at least seems to be working on things with her mom.

Caitlyn is graduating and seems happy about her future. I hope she can break free from the abuse her mother gives her.

Maci has moved on past Ryan and is working on co-parenting. Bentley seems like a terrific kid who is loved by many people in his life.

Amber,well she is so damamged and needs to get off this tv show and get some real help. I simply don't care about her at all.