Survivor

[Chirple]

Did anyone else have spy shack flashbacks when Rachel snuck up on Andy, Sam, and Genevieve?

 

[alohamom]

Did anyone else have spy shack flashbacks when Rachel snuck up on Andy, Sam, and Genevieve?

Hahaha yes! My daughter said TONY outloud.

 

[Cadiewampus]

Hahaha yes! My daughter said TONY outloud.

the spy shack

 

[The Mayor]

Did anyone else have spy shack flashbacks when Rachel snuck up on Andy, Sam, and Genevieve?

I was thinking of Tony when she snuck up on them. He got away with it both times he was on,

 

[Boopuff]

So I have a theory about Sue and her messy, melty face. They did a side closeup and we noticed, what looks like facelift scars and they seemed to hold dirt!

On another note I’m incredibly disappointed in the final four. Least deserving bunch. At this point I’m pulling for Rachel or Sam. I really hope teeny gets zero votes and Sue gets a paltry one- Caroline. Can’t wait for questions!!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Andy blew up his own game, I know he was hurt by hearing everyone talking about how he was not seen as a threat, his gameplay was weak, etc but some of the best end jury moments have been when that person perceived as that has been able to come out swinging with a list of their plays. He didn't realize that he kept surviving in the votes because of that perception surviving another day can be crucial at the end especially when he already had a little alliance with Sam and Genevieve. As soon as he went and told Rachel she was going home and then proceeded to let it all out I was like he's out he's going to get voted out. Ugh Andy you did it to your self

I thought Sue should have kept her idol to herself TBH. If she had gone to the end it would have been great to bring up to the jury that she was able to keep her idol all to herself the whole time and I've seen that happen at the end jury. By outing herself she also made herself a target and she's not good at winning immunity. I do understand how Sue and Teeny felt with Genevieve and Rachel basically acting like they had it all in the bag and it was really just them but the fact that they were winning immunity does mean they are real contenders for the winner or at least getting to the end.

Teeny realizing just how on the outs she had been was great tv. Interesting learning that she's known in her home life for blabbing. I do wonder if Sue hadn't been there egging on the situations if Teeny would have been more in the game without having someone so much to shield her or commiserate with her on perceived slights.

I don't blame Sam for blabbing about the fake idol with Genevieve, at the end of the day he didn't have as much of a choice. But it does suck that she ended up being the fall person all because of the operation italy where they needed her to make a fake idol.

Sam has made me like him more and I wouldn't mind him winning but I'd still go for Rachel overall. Her gameplay has been more strong throughout the season.

 

[Boopuff]

I was cringing when Gen took Sue and Teeny on reward. You could tell Gen was trying to grasp at straws to stay. It would have been fabulous tv to not take those two. Can you imagine the tantrum Teeny would've thrown??

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

On another note I’m incredibly disappointed in the final four. Least deserving bunch.

Rachel is for sure deserving. She's winning idols, advantages, isn't always telling people immediately after she gets something, has been able to meld a bit with different alliances, etc.

Sue and Teeny have been playing the revenge, petty grievance game and neither one of them are winning challenges, Sue got that one idol. IMO they should have been sent home long time ago before the jury because neither one of them would have been able to be impartial. I don't think many viewers actually like these two.

Sam is in the middle for me because he's not been the strongest but he's been able to move around enough with players. If I could have had Kyle there I would have preferred that though.

 

[CynBeth]

I wish Sam had been voted out over Andy I don’t think he could win a challenge and would not get any votes. Sam is more of a threat.

 

[LKing]

I have a gut feeling that Rachel is going to lose to someone in fire.

Edit to add: Thinking back about Teeny's comment last week. Maybe Rachel will lose to Teeny.

 

[Chirple]

I have a gut feeling that Rachel is going to lose to someone in fire.

This scenario would not break my heart like when Jesse lost to Gabler. If she loses, then I would be okay with a Sam win. I could even be onboard with a Sue win because of her loyalty and being able to keep her idol a secret until the end but only second to a Sam win.

 

[Tess]

This scenario would not break my heart like when Jesse lost to Gabler. If she loses, then I would be okay with a Sam win. I could even be onboard with a Sue win because of her loyalty and being able to keep her idol a secret until the end but only second to a Sam win.

Anyone but Sue--facelift, lip enhancements and attempts to be younger--no, not her! Totally undeserving.

 

[LKing]

Totally undeserving.

Because she didn't outwit and outplay, or because she is attempting to be younger?

 

[Tatebeck]

Honestly I think they need to bring back redemption island or whatever it was where you could compete and then come back towards the end. Or vote 2 people during tribal, they compete in a quick challenge and then the loser goes home. Or they need to give out more idol opportunities so that good players can survive not winning immunity every time. But something needs to change. Rachel is probably the best left, but she was saved once by Sol and happened to have an idol as well. She got lucky at least twice and that is what it takes for a decent player to get far nowadays.

I have felt that in the last several seasons most of the best competitors are always voted out between 10 and 5 as soon as the end game is close. All of the bottom members end up being fairly safe since they are just being dragged to the end as no one things they will win, while the better members get voted out 1 by 1. The strongest member who wins immunity gets to stay, the next strongest usually gets voted out. And repeat.

I am glad Andy and Gen are gone though. Andy basically quit day 1 and I cannot stand people who do that. And Gen kept Rome around as an ally FAR too long

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Honestly I think they need to bring back redemption island or whatever it was where you could compete and then come back towards the end.

I didn't like how long they kept that along with Extinction Island. The thing about Survivor is the fact that once you're voted out you're voted out, it's part of the game. Manipulating that just didn't sit well with me after a bit when they relied on it so heavily similar to how it made everyone made when they used that hourglass a few seasons back and it made a safe tribe actually the ones to go to tribal. So much of that social play was left by the waste side because they were isolated for however long it took. I liked seeing the players duke it out on Redemption Island but I didn't like how it changed the results.

I have felt that in the last several seasons most of the best competitors are always voted out between 10 and 5 as soon as the end game is close.

I think we've all grumbled about that but I as I look back a lot of it is because of how Survivor has evolved. It used to be the players were more cutthroat and conniving (not always in the fair game way but often it was) and we do get that from time to time but much of it is that all the players are tend to be almost too aware of things. Like it was nice of the player (I'm blanking) who helped soothe the other player (that I'm blanking on lol) who had nightmares and woke up in the middle of the night but then they felt emotionally obligated to not be hard on them. Like we don't need Jonny Fairplay lying about a relative's death to get ahead lol at the same time give me something without being annoying like Rome, Sue and Teeny. You don't have to be on either extreme.

All of the bottom members end up being fairly safe since they are just being dragged to the end as no one things they will win, while the better members get voted out 1 by 1. The strongest member who wins immunity gets to stay, the next strongest usually gets voted out. And repeat.

That's been the case for many years. The first few seasons they didn't really know how to gauge who should win but as time went on they developed the idea of taking a weak player along for the ride to the last tribal especially when it was just 2 at the end you didn't want a strong player next to you, almost no one would pick to have a strong player because you're trying to win $1 million.

I think once they got to 3 at the end and the fire challenge was so well known and used it only reinforced that. Maybe it's time to retire the firemaking challenge at the end and do something different so that players are kept on their toes. That last immunity challenge it's been the case multiple times that a player who either never won an individual immunity or barely won them ended up winning the last one and that can dramatically change the direction since they are choosing who goes to fire. Maybe remove that power from their hands and see how things go.

 

[Tatebeck]

I didn't like how long they kept that along with Extinction Island. The thing about Survivor is the fact that once you're voted out you're voted out, it's part of the game. Manipulating that just didn't sit well with me after a bit when they relied on it so heavily similar to how it made everyone made when they used that hourglass a few seasons back and it made a safe tribe actually the ones to go to tribal. So much of that social play was left by the waste side because they were isolated for however long it took. I liked seeing the players duke it out on Redemption Island but I didn't like how it changed the results.


I think we've all grumbled about that but I as I look back a lot of it is because of how Survivor has evolved. It used to be the players were more cutthroat and conniving (not always in the fair game way but often it was) and we do get that from time to time but much of it is that all the players are tend to be almost too aware of things. Like it was nice of the player (I'm blanking) who helped soothe the other player (that I'm blanking on lol) who had nightmares and woke up in the middle of the night but then they felt emotionally obligated to not be hard on them. Like we don't need Jonny Fairplay lying about a relative's death to get ahead lol at the same time give me something without being annoying like Rome, Sue and Teeny. You don't have to be on either extreme.


That's been the case for many years. The first few seasons they didn't really know how to gauge who should win but as time went on they developed the idea of taking a weak player along for the ride to the last tribal especially when it was just 2 at the end you didn't want a strong player next to you, almost no one would pick to have a strong player because you're trying to win $1 million.

I think once they got to 3 at the end and the fire challenge was so well known and used it only reinforced that. Maybe it's time to retire the firemaking challenge at the end and do something different so that players are kept on their toes. That last immunity challenge it's been the case multiple times that a player who either never won an individual immunity or barely won them ended up winning the last one and that can dramatically change the direction since they are choosing who goes to fire. Maybe remove that power from their hands and see how things go.

Maybe all three of the losers have to either compete and make fire or do another challenge and the worst goes home? Then the last immunity winner is is safe, but has no extra power?

Either way it is becoming annoying watching the jury vote for who is the ultimate "survivor" out of a weak final 3 when most of the members on the jury are "better" players and survivors than those they are voting for, which is why they were voted out. They need to switch something up or the show may not survive much longer. Maybe the jury votes for the best "survivor" amongst themselves, then votes for a person out of the final 3 that needs replaced. Then you have the best 2 out of the final 3 from the regular game and another member that made it close?

Actually after thinking about it they could just do more immunity challenges after the merge where more than 1 person are safe. Either continue to do more team games or just 2, 3, or 4 best winners get immunity. And give more advantages for exploring and actually doing something instead of just lazing around the beach all day and being the 3rd worst player and ending up winning.

 

[Chirple]

Kenzie and Ben.

Like it was nice of the player (I'm blanking) who helped soothe the other player (that I'm blanking on lol) who had nightmares and woke up in the middle of the night but then they felt emotionally obligated to not be hard on them.

I loathe the fire making challenge and when it was introduced. Time to extinguish it

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Maybe all three of the losers have to either compete and make fire or do another challenge and the worst goes home? Then the last immunity winner is is safe, but has no extra power?

Oh now that's a great idea! I like do another challenge something that maybe combined strength and mental power like a mini immunity challenge. I just don't like the last individual immunity winner having that power, as a viewer it's cool to see a player who never won end up winning the last one but it really should have stuck to just being "you're safe" and that's it.

I loathe the fire making challenge and when it was introduced. Time to extinguish it

I thought it was kinda interesting at first just thinking about how in the early days of each season you tended to have one or two people who would be the fire making people for the tribe and I understood where they were going with it because making fire is an important skill for survivor. But I only liked it the first two maybe three times, now I think it can go. People practicing at home just for that end challenge should have been a clue it was time to let it go.

 

[Tatebeck]

It all boils down to it becoming way too much about the social game and way less about challenges or survival. If you do too well in challenges, as soon as you lose one you are out because you are a threat to win. If you do too much at camp then it does the same thing. Once they start individual immunity challenges, maybe the bottom players that do the worst don't get to vote at tribal? Then it would be the the best with immunity, those that did well that can vote, and those that did terribly that are more at risk.

For the final challenge instead of sitting them down with the stuff in front of them, drop them off on an area of beach with a spear or some flint, and first one to come back with a fish or a start a fire wins. Actual survivor stuff that they should have learned while being there.

 

[sasywtch]

My prediction is that Rachel is going to win immunity and make Sam and Teeny make fire. Sam was my favorite in the beginning but when his team mate (the girl, I can't remember her name-the first on the jury) was voted out, he just didn't show any more fight. I expected him to win more challenges I guess. Rachel, I felt bad for her when she was placed on the team by herself and was expected to be voted out but was saved. If I'm being honest, she is the one that deserves the win this season. I really liked Kyle and hope he gets to come back on another season. Teeny and Sue have done nothing but hang onto people to not be voted out one more day. There was something at the camp where Sue told one of them they had something on their face and the camera panned over to Sue's dirt face I think the camera people wonder why she doesn't get that dirt off. Sue turned me off when she became vindictive because someone had the nerve to write her name down. The meaness she showed. It always amazes me when someone like Sue expects to get votes at the end.