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I didn't marvel at the way tony played. I mean really he had an idol where he never had to worry.
I really think Spenser won it for him. I think had Spenser not spoke like he did wo would have won

Me either. I'm really surprised that people think he played well. I remember the stupid things he did, not anything that was smart or well played.


I really wish Spencer had made it into the final two. To me, he was one of the best players. He battled up hill the entire game and still made it far. That's impressive. Tony was part of a winning alliance from the beginning and found three idols (which is pretty cool, but I've never been a big fan of the idol).

Once Spencer was voted out, I didn't care who won, as I was not a fan of any of the remaining three. I do think Woo made a HUGE mistake in taking Tony. It's a million bucks. You are there to win, and if you're not, why are you playing? If you came to win, then play to win. STOOPID.

I do think it was honorable. But, meanwhile Tony walks away with the money, and apparently HE doesn't have enough honor to say "here's half the money because without you, I would not have won." :rotfl:

Me too.
 
I'm skeptical about Spencer swaying everyone. I really think the producers encourage emotional speeches and questions at the end and edit to make it look like the final will be closer than it is. The votes are never close.

What I did like about this season was that it showed the beauties are not the compelling characters on the show. I hope casting takes note and chooses people that are interesting for their personalities.

Does anyone remember the early shows, when contestants were required to take IQ tests? I'm pretty sure they abandoned that formula long ago-- and so did the rest of reality tv.
 

Me either. I'm really surprised that people think he played well. I remember the stupid things he did, not anything that was smart or well played.


I put a lot of faith into what JP says about the players because he sees much more than we do. He felt Tony played a good game because he was played all the time. I will defer to his opinion about who plays a good game and who doesn't.
 
Of the final 3, I'm glad Tony won. Spencer was my favorite, but since he didn't win, he might be more likely to return to compete in the future.

The reunion show was better than last time, but I still wish they had talked to more players. They didn't talk to the girl who left the game; maybe they didn't want to devote any more airtime to a quitter. Funny that they didn't focus very much on Kass, but made it clear that she would not have beaten any of the others in the top 4. Loved that during final tribal, they kept referring to her as "the goat". She was not as good a player as she thought she was.
 
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Really? It was a freaking reality show, not real life,

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/..._hopeful_fire_the_survivor_cop_for_lying.html

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That's horrible. I feel so bad for Tony. He played a strong game, controlled it every step of the way, and now all he's getting is hate.

Also, I don't know why people think Spencer won it for Tony. Spencer had no pull with those people all season but suddenly his juror speech convinced everyone to switch their vote? Not likely. Jurors time and again have said post-game that their vote was locked before the final tribal council, that the speeches are just a way to get a little vent in and haze the finalists a little.
 
CaliBear said:
That's horrible. I feel so bad for Tony. He played a strong game, controlled it every step of the way, and now all he's getting is hate.

Also, I don't know why people think Spencer won it for Tony. Spencer had no pull with those people all season but suddenly his juror speech convinced everyone to switch their vote? Not likely. Jurors time and again have said post-game that their vote was locked before the final tribal council, that the speeches are just a way to get a little vent in and haze the finalists a little.

I don't know if it made a difference at all, but I was very impressed with his speech and the way he carried himself all game. Remember he's still a college student. There have been other college age contestants who acted like they were still in college.
 
I don't know if it made a difference at all, but I was very impressed with his speech and the way he carried himself all game. Remember he's still a college student. There have been other college age contestants who acted like they were still in college.

oh, I liked his speech too. He gave a great summary of why Tony deserved to win, and it really made me think of how Tony really did play a lot like Boston Rob but without the benefit of being Boston Rob and admired by fans on the tribe. But I think the speech had more impact on viewers at home than on the jury.
 
People that would lie to win a reality show would lie at anything or to anyone to benefit themselves if the price is right. If someone has shabby ethics on a reality show, it's not just the show. It's not just how they decided to play a game. It's because they have shabby ethics.

I remember Tony mentioning that he can't do this in his real life as a police officer and this would be the only place he could lie etc. He was trying to win a million dollars.

Heck no one wanted the nice , loyal guy to win like Woo because he didn't do anything to win.

There is a lot of editing too so we really don't know how any of them are really just what we are showed to base our options.
 
People that would lie to win a reality show would lie at anything or to anyone to benefit themselves if the price is right. If someone has shabby ethics on a reality show, it's not just the show. It's not just how they decided to play a game. It's because they have shabby ethics.

This is exactly how I feel! And I think that Jeremiah was right on, that a man that would swear on the lives of his wife and child and go back on that is pretty low down. I admit I did think when Jeff said the wife was on strict bed rest was "Uh-oh, I really hope Karma isn't coming to collect!"

I do think of the final 3, Tony is the one that deserved to win. But I don't think he was a good player! A good player doesn't play you and then immediately let you know that you got played. Like the player with the "dead grandma", if you are going to lie, stick to your lie! He couldn't help throwing it in everyone's faces, and that is why I think he is hated by the viewers as much as he is.
 
I remember Tony mentioning that he can't do this in his real life as a police officer and this would be the only place he could lie etc. He was trying to win a million dollars.

They all try to claim they're a choir boy/girl in real life. And that claim is just as untrue as the rest of the lies they tell. People are who they are. They don't suddenly go to oppositeville just for these shows.
 
So cops should never go undercover either?!?! That statement is ridiculous. It is the same idiocy that makes people think if you ask someone if they are police officer they have to answer truthfully.

Gees it was a game - a game !!!! Thinking that it had anything to do with "real" life is absurd.
 
People that would lie to win a reality show would lie at anything or to anyone to benefit themselves if the price is right. If someone has shabby ethics on a reality show, it's not just the show. It's not just how they decided to play a game. It's because they have shabby ethics.

This is exactly how I feel! And I think that Jeremiah was right on, that a man that would swear on the lives of his wife and child and go back on that is pretty low down. I admit I did think when Jeff said the wife was on strict bed rest was "Uh-oh, I really hope Karma isn't coming to collect!"

I do think of the final 3, Tony is the one that deserved to win. But I don't think he was a good player! A good player doesn't play you and then immediately let you know that you got played. Like the player with the "dead grandma", if you are going to lie, stick to your lie! He couldn't help throwing it in everyone's faces, and that is why I think he is hated by the viewers as much as he is.

So, which of you is Aaron??
 





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