submersible missing near the Titanic

[DLgal]

It gives away nothing. It's not a secret that those devices are out there.....even that multiple nations have them. Scientific groups have them too.

And the "anomaly" that the Navy picked up wasn't kept quiet as people within the "submersible community" heard about it long before the public did. I suspect that that someone in that group then leaked the information to the press after the debris field was found and when a request was made by the press for a statement, the Navy confirmed it.

If so many groups have listening capabilities in the ocean in that area, why didn't anyone else hear it and publicly say something?

We won't ever get details about HOW, specifically, the Navy heard this implosion because they heard it as part of a top secret underwater acoustic program.

Sure there are buoys dotted around the ocean listening for stuff. But the US Navy, specifically, does not want to divulge the extent or location of their listening capabilities. They clearly were not using standard listening buoys this time.

 

[gmi3804]

If so many groups have listening capabilities in the ocean in that area, why didn't anyone else hear it and publicly say something?

We won't ever get details about HOW, specifically, the Navy heard this implosion because they heard it as part of a top secret underwater acoustic program.

Sure there are buoys dotted around the ocean listening for stuff. But the US Navy, specifically, does not want to divulge the extent or location of their listening capabilities. They clearly were not using standard listening buoys this time.

What does CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET even mean anymore these days? Not much, some would have you believe.

 

[MillauFr]

AND with that reply, why not end the discussion/thread.

Get the OP to change the title to "Please Close" It will go on for 100 more pages.

 

[DLgal]

What does CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET even mean anymore these days? Not much, some would have you believe.

Well, let's not go into all that, lest we get the thread shut down.

But in reality, there are multiple levels of secret clearances. The "top secret" stuff we eventually hear about is the LEAST secret information with the least amount of consequences. It's the tippy top of the iceberg.

 

[dvcgirl67]

If so many groups have listening capabilities in the ocean in that area, why didn't anyone else hear it and publicly say something?

We won't ever get details about HOW, specifically, the Navy heard this implosion because they heard it as part of a top secret underwater acoustic program.

Sure there are buoys dotted around the ocean listening for stuff. But the US Navy, specifically, does not want to divulge the extent or location of their listening capabilities. They clearly were not using standard listening buoys this time.

I don't know why others didn't publicly say anything if they'd heard it? Probably the same reason the Navy didn't....because they either don't want anyone to know they have devices in that area, or they were staying respectfully quiet until the search reached its conclusion.

I only know that I've read that many entities have listening devices in international waters for a bevy of reasons....from scientific, to military to industrial. I heard that from James Cameron, who honestly....I trust more than anyone else on this story.....lol.

I've moved on from reading about this story though....we have a new one to follow....a military coup taking place in Russia...that you can follow on twitter.

 

[DLgal]

I don't know why others didn't publicly say anything if they'd heard it? Probably the same reason the Navy didn't....because they either don't want anyone to know they have devices in that area, or they were staying respectfully quiet until the search reached its conclusion.

I only know that I've read that many entities have listening devices in international waters for a bevy of reasons....from scientific, to military to industrial. I heard that from James Cameron, who honestly....I trust more than anyone else on this story.....lol.

I've moved on from reading about this story though....we have a new one to follow....a military coup taking place in Russia...that you can follow on twitter.

That Wagner group military coup has been going on for a couple of months already. Not a new story at all.

 

[dvcgirl67]

That Wagner group military coup has been going on for a couple of months already. Not a new story at all.

It's kind of escalated....no? They're about 250 miles outside of Moscow.

 

[DLgal]

It's kind of escalated....no? They're about 250 miles outside of Moscow.

Not sure escalated is the word. They are doing what they set out to do. It's maybe escalating for Putin.

 

[gmi3804]

 

[sam_gordon]

We won't ever get details about HOW, specifically, the Navy heard this implosion because they heard it as part of a top secret underwater acoustic program.

I'm curious what your source is for the bolded. From what I understand, they let the searchers know they heard something, it's just the public that wasn't informed. Since the searchers knew, could it really be "part of a top secret underwater acoustic program"?

And it's NOT a secret that we (and presumably other countries) have underwater listening devices. Saying "we heard something in the area" gives exactly WHAT away? That we have a device? Nope, that's not a secret. The location of the device? Nope. Sound travels pretty well under water. Divulging the sound doesn't divulge the location of the "hearing" device.

 

[DLgal]

I'm curious what your source is for the bolded. From what I understand, they let the searchers know they heard something, it's just the public that wasn't informed. Since the searchers knew, could it really be "part of a top secret underwater acoustic program"?

And it's NOT a secret that we (and presumably other countries) have underwater listening devices. Saying "we heard something in the area" gives exactly WHAT away? That we have a device? Nope, that's not a secret. The location of the device? Nope. Sound travels pretty well under water. Divulging the sound doesn't divulge the location of the "hearing" device.

My source is what the Navy said publicly.

The searchers were the US Coast Guard. That's who the Navy told. Sister service to the Navy. They constantly share intelligence with each other.

There is a lot more to it than "we can hear things underwater."

The Navy knew that they heard an implosion, specifically. And they knew exactly where it was.

 

[sam_gordon]

My source is what the Navy said publicly.

The searchers were the US Coast Guard. That's who the Navy told. Sister service to the Navy. They constantly share intelligence with each other.

There is a lot more to it than "we can hear things underwater."

The Navy knew that they heard an implosion, specifically. And they knew exactly where it was.

This article (https://www.npr.org/2023/06/23/1183976726/titan-titanic-sub-implosion-navy) says nothing about "top secret underwater listening platforms" AND goes on to say OceanGate AND James Cameron, in addition to the Coast Guard, knew about the the data. Good thing this is "Top Secret".

And call me dense, but I still don't see how saying "we heard what could be an implosion in the area" jeopardizes anything Top Secret. "What devices heard it?" "We can't say". Just my opinion of course.

So the information has STILL come out (again, good thing it's Top Secret), just days later.

 

[DLgal]

This article (https://www.npr.org/2023/06/23/1183976726/titan-titanic-sub-implosion-navy) says nothing about "top secret underwater listening platforms" AND goes on to say OceanGate AND James Cameron, in addition to the Coast Guard, knew about the the data. Good thing this is "Top Secret".

And call me dense, but I still don't see how saying "we heard what could be an implosion in the area" jeopardizes anything Top Secret. "What devices heard it?" "We can't say". Just my opinion of course.

So the information has STILL come out (again, good thing it's Top Secret), just days later.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...plosion-navy-debris-microphones-b2362685.html

 

[John VN]

This article (https://www.npr.org/2023/06/23/1183976726/titan-titanic-sub-implosion-navy) says nothing about "top secret underwater listening platforms" AND goes on to say OceanGate AND James Cameron, in addition to the Coast Guard, knew about the the data. Good thing this is "Top Secret".

And call me dense, but I still don't see how saying "we heard what could be an implosion in the area" jeopardizes anything Top Secret. "What devices heard it?" "We can't say". Just my opinion of course.

So the information has STILL come out (again, good thing it's Top Secret), just days later.

It's NOT the platform that would be TOP SECRET but instead the capabilities. Satellites can see things from space, TOP SECRET satellites might be able to see a pimple on someone's nose.

 

[sam_gordon]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...plosion-navy-debris-microphones-b2362685.html

It's NOT the platform that would be TOP SECRET but instead the capabilities. Satellites can see things from space, TOP SECRET satellites might be able to see a pimple on someone's nose.

And the information STILL came out. So this "Top Secret" system people now know about. So have the capabilities of the system now become known? Saying "we heard what could have been an implosion" reveals exactly what? Again, we've (the public) have known since the 80s(?) that the US had sensors on the Atlantic seabed to listen for submarines.

It was part of "The Hunt for the Red October" published in 1984 in case you're wondering.

 

[Christine]

And the information STILL came out. So this "Top Secret" system people now know about. So have the capabilities of the system now become known? Saying "we heard what could have been an implosion" reveals exactly what? Again, we've (the public) have known since the 80s(?) that the US had sensors on the Atlantic seabed to listen for submarines.

It was part of "The Hunt for the Red October" published in 1984 in case you're wondering.

Based on what I have read, the name and capabilities of the acoustic underwater detection system are top secret. That one is there, is not a secret. We publicly know it can detect sounds and that's about it. It can probably do much, much more.

 

[sam_gordon]

Based on what I have read, the name and capabilities of the acoustic underwater detection system are top secret. That one is there, is not a secret. We publicly know it can detect sounds and that's about it. It can probably do much, much more.

Right. Which is why the excuse "they didn't want to expose a top secret system" doesn't make sense to me.

 

[georgina]

Not sure escalated is the word. They are doing what they set out to do. It's maybe escalating for Putin.

Last I heard it's already over. Putin made a deal.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Last I heard it's already over. Putin made a deal.

Yes...latest is the leader of the Wagner mercenaries will be living in Belarus and the charges have been dropped against him. And I'm thinking Putin is fine with this and will allow this man to live a long and prosperous life.......LOL!

I wouldn't want to be the food tester for that dude....or near any open windows above the first floor.

 

[JaxDad]