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[disneypharm]

We have had this conversation so many times. Who can you point to that was out there at the beginning saying to shut things down?

The problem wasn't just shutting the borders or businesses, etc... Too many decisions were made late or wrong. From shutting down the National Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense agency (monitored pandemic around the world) in 2018, to shortage of PPE, bad test kits, lack of availability or enforcement of masks, or mixed messages from the top (federal, state, local), have created the mess that we are in now. So sad that we could have prevented so many deaths and ruined economy and didn't.

 

[DeniseJH]

We have had this conversation so many times. Who can you point to that was out there at the beginning saying to shut things down?

I don't think it's about immediately shutting things down or not, it's about not having a plan. After closing the borders to some travel from China nothing else was done, except to tell us that the virus was going to just "disappear...like a miracle". When it became obvious that the virus was here and spreading there was no urgency to provide the proper amounts of testing and PPE, let alone to follow the test/trace protocols...although we were lied to about both. We could have done so much better.

 

[Starwarsfan2]

I don't think it's about immediately shutting things down or not, it's about not having a plan. After closing the borders to some travel from China nothing else was done, except to tell us that the virus was going to just "disappear...like a miracle". When it became obvious that the virus was here and spreading there was no urgency to provide the proper amounts of testing and PPE, let alone to follow the test/trace protocols...although we were lied to about both. We could have done so much better.

Not true, but not going to hash it out yet again. Talking points.

 

[DeniseJH]

Not true, but not going to hash it out yet again. Talking points.

No, everything I said is true. You can pretend it isn't, but it most definitely is.

 

[anthony2k7]

Apparently Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota all recorded their highest 1 day increases in new cases yesterday.

I wonder why?

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Apparently Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota all recorded their highest 1 day increases in new cases yesterday.

I wonder why?

China must have sent more of their operatives.


If I didn't know these were Ministry of State Security agents, I'd swear they were motorcycle riders.

 

[DduzDis]

I don't think it's about immediately shutting things down or not, it's about not having a plan. After closing the borders to some travel from China nothing else was done, except to tell us that the virus was going to just "disappear...like a miracle". When it became obvious that the virus was here and spreading there was no urgency to provide the proper amounts of testing and PPE, let alone to follow the test/trace protocols...although we were lied to about both. We could have done so much better.

The entire world was duped by China through the WHO regarding human transmission. The blame lies there. Our administration had no reason NOT to believe it wouldn’t just go away. How many ‘flu viruses’ have come through with no pandemic? Bird, Swine, etc... It’s easy to wallow in misery and look for someone to blame. Blame China.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/world...ry-tweet-china-human-transmission-coronavirus

 

[anthony2k7]

The entire world was duped by China through the WHO regarding human transmission. The blame lies there. Our administration had no reason NOT to believe it wouldn’t just go away. How many ‘flu viruses’ have come through with no pandemic? Bird, Swine, etc... It’s easy to wallow in misery and look for someone to blame. Blame China.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/world...ry-tweet-china-human-transmission-coronavirus

No one was duped by China.

The whole world watched as they locked down huge areas of the country entirely. The whole world watched as they rushed to build 3 hospitals.

You can't have watched all that and then claim you were dupe.

Why the WHO chose to wait so long before reacting is another matter. But for some reason they insisted on waiting until it had thoroughly took hold of much of asia and europe before finally declaring it to be a pandemic.

 

[DduzDis]

China must have sent more of their operatives.
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If I didn't know these were Ministry of State Security agents, I'd swear they were motorcycle riders.

And outdoors 6 ft apart.... following the CDC guidelines like champs.

 

[DduzDis]

No one was duped by China.

The whole world watched as they locked down huge areas of the country entirely. The whole world watched as they rushed to build 3 hospitals.

You can't have watched all that and then claim you were dupe.

Why the WHO chose to wait so long before reacting is another matter. But for some reason they insisted on waiting until it had thoroughly took hold of much of asia and europe before finally declaring it to be a pandemic.

Okay so then please lay out your plan that would have saved the world.

 

[anthony2k7]

Okay so then please lay out your plan that would have saved the world.

Hard lock downs earlier, followed by borders remaining closed was the only solution.

Didn't happen though, so now we're stuck with these restrictions keeping it kinda under control with still lots of deaths

 

[DduzDis]

Hard lock downs earlier, followed by borders remaining closed was the only solution.

Didn't happen though, so now we're stuck with these restrictions keeping it kinda under control with still lots of deaths

One only needs to look at Hawaii to see that only delays the inevitable.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Hard lock downs earlier, followed by borders remaining closed was the only solution.

Didn't happen though, so now we're stuck with these restrictions keeping it kinda under control with still lots of deaths

Everyone knows that “locking down borders” was vehemently opposed by some leaders. It’s a joke to read now that that was a viable option then.

How soon we forget.

There is also little question the virus originated in China. Strains of it came to the US either via Europe, or directly from China. The east coast version, thought then to be the worse strain, came via Europe, while the west coast, thought then to be the less virulent strain, came directly from from China. This wasn’t understood until later.

https://www.wrdw.com/content/news/I...e-east-coast-to-the-west-coast-570255221.html
Wednesday, May 6, 2020

News 12 at 6 o'clock/NBC at 7

AUGUSTA, GA. (WRDW/WAGT) -- It appears our nation's East Coast might be dealing with a different version of the virus than the West Coast.

Our I-TEAM got the details from an infectious disease expert on the front lines at AU Health, Dr. Jose Vazquez.

There's no longer a question of where; it's now clear the coronavirus began in Wuhan, China, and then spread across the globe.

Things do get a little blurry, though, when you look at how it arrived on American soil. Call it a tale of 2 coastlines, and that story began out West.

"These are the people coming directly from Wuhan to Washington and California," Dr. Vazquez said.

Still though, that's thousands of miles away from Augusta and Aiken, but more significantly, Atlanta and New York.

"There's another strain or a couple of strains, that actually went from Wuhan to Europe, and then from Europe to the United States, to the East Coast," Dr. Vazquez said.

 

[anthony2k7]

One only needs to look at Hawaii to see that only delays the inevitable.

If everyone stayed home initially until cases dropped to zero and then borders remained closed (which did not happen in Hawaii), then how would the virus still remain? It wouldn't.

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

Again, they're not going to keep anyone from getting tested (as I read it).

I'm concerned that shifting CDC recommendations could result in free testing being limited to symptomatic people. That would prevent some from getting tested and reduce containment.

I'm skeptical of the motivation behind the recommendation as the WH has routinely made arguments that our case numbers are high because we are testing too much. This change really smells like it's motivated by pressure from the top so I would remain cautious and get tested if exposed irregardless of symptoms.

Everyone knows that “locking down borders” was vehemently opposed by some leaders. It’s a joke to read now that that was a viable option then.

Part of leadership is taking unpopular but necessary actions. Our federal government wasn't (and still isn't) willing to do that and we're now living with the consequences.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

If everyone stayed home initially until cases dropped to zero and then borders remained closed (which did not happen in Hawaii), then how would the virus still remain? It wouldn't.

known cases is an important distinction. The virus will remain for however long it wants to. Gotta stop think it'll just poof be gone. Nothing supports that even countries being down to zero for a time. It would be inaccurate to assume that all you gotta do is stay home and keep borders closed and the virus would no longer exist.

Hawaii saw a resurgence mostly from gatherings occurring from their own citizens.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I'm concerned that shifting CDC recommendations could result in free testing being limited to symptomatic people. That would prevent some from getting tested and reduce containment.

I'm skeptical of the motivation behind the recommendation as the WH has routinely made arguments that our case numbers are high because we are testing too much. This change really smells like it's motivated by pressure from the top so I would remain cautious and get tested if exposed irregardless of symptoms.


Part of leadership is taking unpopular but necessary actions. Our federal government wasn't (and still isn't) willing to do that and we're now living with the consequences.

Way more could’ve been accomplished if there was cohesion and cooperation within our leadership. All people want to do now is blame, blame, blame, which is useless.

 

[okeydokey]

Okay so then please lay out your plan that would have saved the world.

Acknowledging that there actually was a problem in December and January when we knew it was coming. Using the Pandemic Prep Office that was disbanded last year, well I guess not disbanding the office in the first place. Accepting all the test kits that were offered instead of insisting on building our own that were faulty. A National testing and tracing program would have done wonders. HARD shutdown for several weeks instead of the one we did. . . Not commandeering state deliveries of supplies or pitting states against each other for PPE and supplies but instead coordinating a national supply strategy. We have been saying this for months.

 

[sam_gordon]

I'm concerned that shifting CDC recommendations could result in free testing being limited to symptomatic people. That would prevent some from getting tested and reduce containment.

Hyperbole. Look at the symptoms... cough (can be easily faked), fatigue (can't prove or deny), muscle & body aches (again, can't be proved), loss of taste/smell, diarrhea. If someone shows up asymptomatic, couldn't they say "I have symptoms"?

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

Way more could’ve been accomplished if there was cohesion and cooperation within our leadership. All people want to do now is blame, blame, blame, which is useless.

Pandemic response is not run through Congress so I don't see this as the primary cause of our poor response.

I generally agree that I don't like getting in the middle of a blame game when an issue is trying to get fixed but it has become clear that certain member of the response team have priorities that do not align with containment. I tend to give the benefit of the doubt as hindsight is 20/20 but I also factor their inability to properly lead into my future decision making. The latest CDC recommendation regarding not needing to test if you don't have symptoms is particularly mind boggling as I can't imagine anyone with a scientific background agreeing with that.

Hyperbole. Look at the symptoms... cough (can be easily faked), fatigue (can't prove or deny), muscle & body aches (again, can't be proved), loss of taste/smell, diarrhea. If someone shows up asymptomatic, couldn't they say "I have symptoms"?

We saw rationing early on that you could have lied your way through. Some people weren't willing to do that.