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[anthony2k7]

known cases is an important distinction. The virus will remain for however long it wants to. Gotta stop think it'll just poof be gone. Nothing supports that even countries being down to zero for a time. It would be inaccurate to assume that all you gotta do is stay home and keep borders closed and the virus would no longer exist.

Hawaii saw a resurgence mostly from gatherings occurring from their own citizens.

Sorry, disagree.

Asymptomatic are covered as well because you make whole households quarantine until a number of days after the last person tested double negative.

It worked fine in New Zealand for a long time until there was a slip up, now they're repeating and they will get it right again.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Sorry, disagree.

Asymptomatic are covered as well because you make whole households quarantine until a number of days after the last person tested double negative.

It worked fine in New Zealand for a long time until there was a slip up, now they're repeating and they will get it right again.

Science disagrees with you

The most recent several cases in NZ they don't know quite yet where they came from.

Your prior comment was the virus would go away..that is what I'm commenting to and known cases. There's zero indication that staying at home and keeping borders closed will make the virus go away as in it's no long existing.

I'm not really up for going back and forth respectfully just a common comment I see. I'm sure we all wish the virus would just drop off if only we did xyz and go away completely and just not exist but that's not how this virus is behaving. Anyways moving on for me

 

[anthony2k7]

Science disagrees with you

The most recent several cases in NZ they don't know quite yet where they came from.

Your prior comment was the virus would go away..that is what I'm commenting to and known cases. There's zero indication that staying at home and keeping borders closed will make the virus go away as in it's no long existing.

OK let's change that to "it should go away"

If there are zero cases for a long while, and borders are closed then where else does it come from to get into the country?

 

[monsterkitty]

OK let's change that to "it should go away"

If there are zero cases for a long while, and borders are closed then where else does it come from to get into the country?

Even New Zealand wasn't completely closed. A good friend is married to a NZ citizen. They could still fly into the country because her DH is a citizen.
So someone flying back into NZ was probably asymptomatic and brought the virus back into the country.

 

[anthony2k7]

Even New Zealand wasn't completely closed. A good friend is married to a NZ citizen. They could still fly into the country because her DH is a citizen.
So someone flying back into NZ was probably asymptomatic and brought the virus back into the country.

I think all arrivals were required to go to quarantine centres though and test negative before leaving.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Pandemic response is not run through Congress so I don't see this as the primary cause of our poor response.

I generally agree that I don't like getting in the middle of a blame game when an issue is trying to get fixed but it has become clear that certain member of the response team have priorities that do not align with containment. I tend to give the benefit of the doubt as hindsight is 20/20 but I also factor their inability to properly lead into my future decision making. The latest CDC recommendation regarding not needing to test if you don't have symptoms is particularly mind boggling as I can't imagine anyone with a scientific background agreeing with that.


We saw rationing early on that you could have lied your way through. Some people weren't willing to do that.

The medical leaders on the covid task force debated it and signed off on it. Even Dr Fauci admits he did not express any concerns with it when he had the chance to.

Noting the bias in this article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...litics/coronavirus-testing-trump-cdc.amp.html
Exceptions might be made for “vulnerable” individuals, the agency noted, or if health care providers or state or local public health officials recommended testing.

Dr. Giroir said the new recommendation matched existing guidance for hospital workers and others in frontline jobs who have “close exposures” to people infected with the coronavirus. Such workers are advised to take proper precautions, like wearing masks, socially distancing, washing their hands frequently and monitoring themselves for symptoms.

He argued that testing those exposed to the virus was of little utility, because tests capture only a single point in time, and that the results could give people a false sense of security.

“A negative test on Day 2 doesn’t mean you’re negative. So what is the value of that?” Dr. Giroir asked, adding, “It doesn’t mean on Day 4 you can go out and visit Grandma or on Day 6 go out without a mask on in school.”

 

[gwynne]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1299346316011737088

 

[gwynne]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1299027943209881600

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Funny, we were just told that leaders have to make tough decisions. They do, and the push back is immense.

Again, a task force of medical leaders debated the scientific issues and made a decision.

There is a period of time between exposure and testing positive, and that time can differ for different people. In other words there is no set time in which someone will absolutely test positive, such as three days after exposure. For Sue it could be three days but for Johnny it could be five or six. If tested too early then there can be a false sense of security where someone is relieved they are negative, while in actuality they could still be positive.

But once someone starts showing symptoms then the likelihood increases that if it is Covid, it will show in testing. That is the only difference here.

Guidelines haven’t changed that if someone has an exposure, they should quarantine. And there is still an option for testing any time if recommended by a health professional. So if one has an exposure, calls their health provider and asks for a test, they can still get one, even if asymptomatic. There are many public health clinics that will still support anytime testing.

 

[okeydokey]

The medical leaders on the covid task force debated it and signed off on it. Even Dr Fauci admits he did not express any concerns with it when he had the chance to.

Noting the bias in this article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...litics/coronavirus-testing-trump-cdc.amp.html
Exceptions might be made for “vulnerable” individuals, the agency noted, or if health care providers or state or local public health officials recommended testing.

Dr. Giroir said the new recommendation matched existing guidance for hospital workers and others in frontline jobs who have “close exposures” to people infected with the coronavirus. Such workers are advised to take proper precautions, like wearing masks, socially distancing, washing their hands frequently and monitoring themselves for symptoms.

He argued that testing those exposed to the virus was of little utility, because tests capture only a single point in time, and that the results could give people a false sense of security.

“A negative test on Day 2 doesn’t mean you’re negative. So what is the value of that?” Dr. Giroir asked, adding, “It doesn’t mean on Day 4 you can go out and visit Grandma or on Day 6 go out without a mask on in school.”

Dr. Fauchi was under anesthesia in surgery when the new guidelines were decided.

https://kvia.com/health/2020/08/26/...-force-meeting-on-new-cdc-testing-guidelines/

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Dr. Fauchi was under anesthesia in surgery when the new guidelines were decided.

https://kvia.com/health/2020/08/26/...-force-meeting-on-new-cdc-testing-guidelines/

My bad. When I posted the N.Y. Times article above, I assumed people would actually read it.

“In a brief interview, Dr. Fauci said he had seen an early iteration of the guidelines and did not object. But the final debate over the revisions took place at a task force meeting on Thursday, when Dr. Fauci was having surgery under general anesthesia to remove a polyp on his vocal cord. In retrospect, he said, he now had “some concerns” about advising people against getting tested, because the virus could be spread through asymptomatic contact.


Why didn’t he object when he had the chance?

 

[robinb]

My bad. When I posted the N.Y. Times article above, I assumed people would actually read it.

“In a brief interview, Dr. Fauci said he had seen an early iteration of the guidelines and did not object. But the final debate over the revisions took place at a task force meeting on Thursday, when Dr. Fauci was having surgery under general anesthesia to remove a polyp on his vocal cord. In retrospect, he said, he now had “some concerns” about advising people against getting tested, because the virus could be spread through asymptomatic contact.


Why didn’t he object when he had the chance?

Maybe they changed guidelines between when he saw them and when they were passed while he was unconscious and unable to object.

 

[gwynne]

From the article below:
Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases told CNN Wednesday he was under general anesthesia in the operating room and “was not part of any discussion or deliberation” regarding the new testing recommendations.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/elanag...hed-and-is-concerned-about-them/#2b1c470c6498

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Maybe they changed guidelines between when he saw them and when they were passed while he was unconscious and unable to object.

I suppose it’s a possibility, but I doubt it. Everything I have read has said there was a lot of discussion and debate about it prior to his surgery.

 

[Southernmiss]

The only thing I remember about H1N1 was that the schools offered the vaccine and I agreed to my kids getting the 2nd flu shot that year as one of our sons had flu twice (I guess 2 different strains) the year before.

I will certainly remember a lot more about Covid 19 than H1N1.

 

[robinb]

If you look at the counties around Custer County in SD you will see a big spike in most of them. Pennington County, just to the northeast, has 120 positive cases yesterday. Compare that to the <35 cases per day in the previous 2 weeks. Fall River, to the south, had 9 new cases in the last few days out of a total of 35 for the entire pandemic. Oglala Dakota, to the southeast, fared better but IIRC the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation denied access to Sturgis attendees.

 

[RobDoc]

Since this has ventured far from Sturgis and has become yet another run-of-the-mill Covid thread it is closed.