Strongest evidence yet against spanking

[themilesfamily]

Hmm..I did a quick search on the published study on the AAP site searching for recent published studies. It showed, which I believe is the one you put out there, as published on April 12th of this year. When you look at the study though the years it appears to cover is 1998-2005. Around 5 years old is not "latest" study.

I think the actual research was done from 1998-2005 -- analyzing the research, writing the study, peer review, etc. followed -- and publication was April 12.

Am I wrong on that?

It's the latest study to go through that process and be published.

 

[themilesfamily]

I would also add that the most recent climate for boys is that they should be like girls. Any natural aggressiveness is seen as a problem rather than a trait that should be molded. Unless they are on the football field, when they are supposed to channel it, lol.

Oh my gosh, I was JUST reading the most interesting book on that very topic this morning.

But I really, really, don't want to get myself into any more hot water. So I'm not commenting.

And YES, we should see where the funding comes from for this study. I'm curious. I'll do some detective work.

 

[ThanksForNoticingMe]

Spanking is morally wrong...I was spanked as a child and like other posters have stated "I turned out fine". My turning out fine does not mean however, that it was morally just for my parents to spank me. (My parents by the way now regret ever spanking).

http://www.parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/sxdangers.htm

check out the what the above link states on parenting in Christ's image

 

[Had2stopLurking]

Spanking is morally wrong...I was spanked as a child and like other posters have stated "I turned out fine". My turning out fine does not mean however, that it was morally just for my parents to spank me. (My parents by the way now regret ever spanking).

http://www.parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/sxdangers.htm

check out the what the above link states on parenting in Christ's image

wait? doesn't the bible say "spare the rod spoil the child?" Or is that one of those silly little things that people don't need to listen to in the bible even though they say it's gospel?

 

[lovin diz]

wait? doesn't the bible say "spare the rod spoil the child?" Or is that one of those silly little things that people don't need to listen to in the bible even though they say it's gospel?

i was going to say the same thing

 

[XTinabell]

dh says the person who wrote this article needs to be spanked.

 

[Robinrs]

Which begs the question...what happens when your child is bigger than you? Is it OK for him to hit the parents now, and just make it a slugfest?

LOL, my kid is TWICE my height and weight... I'd have a hard time spanking him!!

 

[ThanksForNoticingMe]

i was going to say the same thing

The Bible also says that wife-beating, racial warfare, slavery, and stoning are ok.... sooooo to say that the Bible states "spare the rod" is not really a strong or valid argument in favor of spanking.

 

[lovin diz]

The Bible also says that wife-beating, racial warfare, slavery, and stoning are ok.... sooooo to say that the Bible states "spare the rod" is not really a strong or valid argument in favor of spanking.

slavery in the bible isnt what it was here in the us where they beat the slaves...In the bible the jews treated the slaves as part of the family, and after (i think 7 years) the debt was forgiven the slave could choose to stay with the family....Big difference from what you are talking about...Stoning was like lethal injections are today...punishment for crimes....please get your facts straight before quoting the bible

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Don't believe in spanking, but do believe in discipline. I had a close friend where almost every time I went over her house you could hear the boys being disciplined and spanked in the back room with a belt. This was a well to do family. The one older boy ended up in all kinds of trouble as adult, jail time, etc. I have to mention also that my mother became a Born Again Christian when I was in junior high and it was then she started to spank my brother chasing us around with metal spoons, etc. To this day, I abhore spanking and it really was not helpful to me, it was really disturbing.

 

[freckles and boo]

slavery in the bible isnt what it was here in the us where they beat the slaves...In the bible the jews treated the slaves as part of the family, and after (i think 7 years) the debt was forgiven the slave could choose to stay with the family....Big difference from what you are talking about...Stoning was like lethal injections are today...punishment for crimes....please get your facts straight before quoting the bible

What about wife beating? Is that still okay?

 

[Robinrs]

Spanking is morally wrong...I was spanked as a child and like other posters have stated "I turned out fine". My turning out fine does not mean however, that it was morally just for my parents to spank me. (My parents by the way now regret ever spanking).

http://www.parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/sxdangers.htm

check out the what the above link states on parenting in Christ's image

I was raised by a man who literally walked in the Lord's steps. Not religious, just loving, kind and faithful. My son has been a Christian since birth and spread the Lord's love wherever he goes, just like his Granddad. I know what raising children up in the Lord is and don't need to read some crap on the internet to find it. I've seen the mighty results of it.

The problem with too many people is they look elsewhere for parenting help, like books or therapists. If you had an excellent parent the book is WRITTEN.

My Mom, the best parenting book I ever read, told me that your success is in the results of the kind of children you've raised. Always raise a child that everyone wants to take care of. That is my mantra. Yet I see monsters spitting and stomping and screaming at their parents and Momma saying "honey, don't do that, darling, no..." Mine knew NOT to do that before he had the thought.

What works for each child is different. Maybe someone's "snowflake" behaves without any form of discipline. Some get time out. Some grow up to get on internet boards and talk crap about their parents and their spouse's parents. Some people needed MORE discipline.

 

[ThanksForNoticingMe]

slavery in the bible isnt what it was here in the us where they beat the slaves...In the bible the jews treated the slaves as part of the family, and after (i think 7 years) the debt was forgiven the slave could choose to stay with the family....Big difference from what you are talking about...Stoning was like lethal injections are today...punishment for crimes....please get your facts straight before quoting the bible

My facts are straight...I was merely stating that is is easy to use the Bible to support a wide variety of actions that are today frowned upon. And I did never quoted the Bible...

 

[mum4jenn]

I think the "study" is a bunch of hooey.

I work at a school and I can for sure tell which kids were spanked and which ones were not. The kids that are spanked...NOT beaten... are much much much better behaved.

 

[luvmy3]

Oh my gosh, I was JUST reading the most interesting book on that very topic this morning.

But I really, really, don't want to get myself into any more hot water. So I'm not commenting.

And YES, we should see where the funding comes from for this study. I'm curious. I'll do some detective work.

I haven't read the study yet, or even this thread but your post definitely caught my eye because I was thinking the same thing when I saw there was now the strongest evidence ever.

I was spanked, and I have spanked my children but found that it did not work as a discipline tool for them so I found ways that worked for us. I do not begrudge any parent using the discipline method that works for their children, even if that includes spanking.

 

[Deb in IA]

Has anyone been able to trace the funding?

And YES, we should see where the funding comes from for this study. I'm curious. I'll do some detective work.

Who funded the study?

YOU did.

from the actual paper:
"ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
This research was supported by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (grant R49 CD0009 15-02) and the National Institute of Mental Health and the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (grant R01 HD41141-02)."

 

[DawnCt1]

I did not read all of these replies, but did anyone consider that some children are just more compliant and thus wouldn't be spanked in the first place, vs. the children that were spanked may have just been more willful and less compliant and would have ended up the same whether they were spanked or not?

 

[princessmom29]

Spanking is morally wrong...I was spanked as a child and like other posters have stated "I turned out fine". My turning out fine does not mean however, that it was morally just for my parents to spank me. (My parents by the way now regret ever spanking).

http://www.parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/sxdangers.htm

check out the what the above link states on parenting in Christ's image

Morally wrong???? Really???? Talk about casting stones.

Religion is a poor choice for a justification for spanking as morally abhorrent. The bible (both old and new testament) is FULL of references that advocate physical correction of both women and children. If we truly wanted to follow what Jesus would have done in the moral an political context of his day I don't think that would include no spanking our children, quite the opposite.

 

[ThanksForNoticingMe]

Morally wrong???? Really???? Talk about casting stones.

Religion is a poor choice for a justification for spanking as morally abhorrent. The bible (both old and new testament) is FULL of references that advocate physical correction of both women and children. If we truly wanted to follow what Jesus would have done in the moral an political context of his day I don't think that would include no spanking our children, quite the opposite.

The only reason I put a link to that website was because people were attempting to justify spanking by stating that "the Bible says you should spare the rod".

My point was that you can use the Bible to justify almost anything...claiming that spanking is ok because the "Bible says so" seems silly.

 

[princessmom29]

slavery in the bible isnt what it was here in the us where they beat the slaves...In the bible the jews treated the slaves as part of the family, and after (i think 7 years) the debt was forgiven the slave could choose to stay with the family....Big difference from what you are talking about...Stoning was like lethal injections are today...punishment for crimes....please get your facts straight before quoting the bible

Here are the REAL facts:
For SOME SELECT FAMILIES the culture of slavery was what you are describing, but the prevailing culture of slavery at the time was about conquering and sbjugating people for life. This is the type of slavery the Isrealites were subject to both in Egypt. This is where slaves as part of the Roman empire came from, they were conqured peoples. Some of them were enslaved because of debt, but for the majority it was against their will, and a very brutal experience. They were property in every sense of the word.

In the same vein, slavery in the Old South was a brutal entrprise, but there were those exception to the rule families that did not beat and subjugate their slaves. Were they any less wrong??

Stoning was used as a punishment for women for anything from being too mouthy to committing adultery. By your analogy we would be adminitering letal injections to these women today. I don't think that would go over too well.