Strange MyMagic+ behavior last week

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Background: My parents are in their mid-70s. My Dad's health is not the best and walking is as struggle. My mom is better but no spring chicken, with multiple joint replacements. My Mom and Dad went a tour with a group called Road Scholars in San Antonio and my Mom loved it. She fond one in WDW and invited me her 48 year old son along. It was four days of backstage tours, with the main focus on AK, Epcot and MK. It was a great tour but I was the only one without grand kids so it was a retired group. My Mom paid for the flight and the tour, so I extended the trip with my DVC points for a night at Bay Lake Towers and a day at MK. I bought tickets and made FP about 45 days out for us. The tour was quite good. I rented a car so that Mom and I could get around and eat at various resorts.

Story: as part of the tour, we were given an after 2pm pass on Wednesday. My Mom and I had originally planned to do Epcot. The day before we had toured at Epcot and were able to stay in the park. My Mom was feeling like she had done Epcot and told me Tuesday she wanted to go to MK on Wednesday. I was able to snag BOG reservations Wednesday evening somehow.

On Wednesday I was handed a pass on the bus, and using the QR code scanned the pass and my mom's pass into my Disney account using the iPhone app. From there, I was able to snag three fast passes (Haunted Mansion, Splash and the Frozen princesses - pretty nice passes 24 hour out). We drove to the parking lot and were in MK by 3. I expressly had us use the physical media we were given for park entry and with the fast passes. We were able to hit the parks , and enjoy an epic day. My mom was blown away by Be Our Guest. Managed to hit some of her favorite attractions with minimal to no waits. We finished up as the fireworks were going off and went back to our off property hotel.

Friday: the tour finished Thursday at Mk were we saw the parade. Friday was departure day with Mom and I transferring to Bay Lake. I got up early to hit rope drop for Early Morning Magic. I drove to Bay Lake and made it to MK at 7:25 am. Went to enter the park with my Magic Band - nothing. Tried again. Blue Mickey. Headed to Guest Relations. Found out that in fact on Wednesday we both used our one day MK passes and not out after 2 pm passes. Apparently there is a priory queue on passes in MyMagic. Had to fill out a form and was handed a pass to enter the park. Note that for later. I was really mad. I work in IT for a major bank in the US and after spending 4 days talking customer experience with the Disney folks, this was a horrible experience. I did get 2 fast passes good anytime for my troubles. I ended up about 100 deep in line at Space Mountain and managed 5 attractions in under 2 hours.

Went to get my Mom and headed to Bay Lake and MK. Sure enough, my Mom could not get in the park. And we repeated the same process with her that was a solid 20 minute wait, but no compensation this time. Guest Relations admitted only they could manage the pass priority queue - it was not customer facing and frankly it was not even a known thing to the customer. Managed to enjoy our fast passes before we headed to Bay Lake for a break in the late afternoon.

After we checked in and I got my Mom settled and off her feet, I went to the front desk. I ended up talking to the manager at Bay Lake - she was sympathetic and had heard of this problem. My tack is I wanted to help Disney fix this - either provide some warning to me when I add the pass or alert a CM somehow? I gave her my contact and she gave me 3 more fast passes. My mom and I had made a 4th as well so when we walked back into the park around 7:45 we had 5 fast passes to use. We waited for nothing all night and enjoyed the park.

As a systems person, I found it curious I was able to keep a fast pass at 1:45pm when I did not have valid park credentials until 2pm on their system. Also, they should give me some process to manage the passes and priority. If they did, it certainly is not a feature that I feel like I had the ability to manage on their app. The fact that Guest Relations told me that only they could manage pass priority it is troubling

The fact that I used the physical media of the after 2pm pass made me feel like I was intentionally using that pass - the fact that it was not was completely misleading. When I am using the pass as my entry media and FP media, as a customer I rightly assume that this is fact that pass. The fact that by adding it to my account, it was no longer that pass systematically and was transformed is totally strange behavior.

This is probably my biggest issue with the experience. I used the issued media and the pass in a manner that was consistent with its expected physical form and in fact it was not in fact the after 2pm pass in reality that remains baffling. In fact, the pass was transformed systematically by Disney into my one day MK pass.

I assume had we gone to any park but MK this would not have occurred but it its only an assumption.
 
I assume had we gone to any park but MK this would not have occurred but it its only an assumption.
You are correct because your MK-only ticket would have been protected. The MK entitlement would not have been deducted if you had entered any of the other 3 parks with the after 2p pass.

For future reference, if you had linked the 2p pass to You#2 and Mom#2 (phantoms) in your MDE account, you would have entered MK and preserved your MK ticket entitlement because only the 2p pass would have been deducted from You and Mom #2s.
 
You are correct because your MK-only ticket would have been protected. The MK entitlement would not have been deducted if you had entered any of the other 3 parks with the after 2p pass.

For future reference, if you had linked the 2p pass to You#2 and Mom#2 (phantoms) in your MDE account, you would have entered MK and preserved your MK ticket entitlement because only the 2p pass would have been deducted from You and Mom #2s.

Having to add Phantoms as you suggest is again just strange expectations on the customer. Disney's goal (well any business' goal) is self service. People are expensive and the more businesses can enable self service it is better for their bottom line.
 
Having to add Phantoms as you suggest is again just strange expectations on the customer. Disney's goal (well any business' goal) is self service. People are expensive and the more businesses can enable self service it is better for their bottom line.
I agree. It's just that the main suggestion is always to separate tickets by using phantoms so that time isn't wasted at Guest Relations.

Disney, for some reason, doesn't want guests to prioritize their own tickets. Phantoms is the closest we can get.
 

Well Disney apparently gave me a ticket - still have my after 2pm ticket on my account
 
Cool! Did they gift a ticket to your Mother, too?

And, move it to a phantom. ;)
 
I also don't understand why they don't let guests handle their own prioritizing. It's not as if they can give themselves "extra" entitlements, just by reordering tickets.

You are correct, that there are things you explained that those of us who are very familiar with the system realize, but there is no way the average guest would even know to ask about, much less know intuitively.

One is that once a ticket card is assigned to an individual in MDE, the physical ticket card it comes on becomes like a MagicBand. That is, it accesses ALL the information in a guests MDE profile, including any other entitlements, as you discovered. I think this was first discussed on the board in relation to the holiday parties. People were entering at 4 planning to use a party ticket, and they thought they were safe by scanning the physical ticket to enter the park, instead of their bands. Much to their surprise, a full park day was often deducted from MDE.

Enjoy those extra passes, sorry for the frustrations, and know that even those of us who understand most of the ins and outs and idiosyncracies of the system agree with you that it could and should be better.
 
My suggestion would be let guests handle the prioritization somehow. The fact that the physical ticket "becomes" a MagicBand as you correctly stated is counter intuitive. One physical thing taking on the properties of this other thing makes no common sense. I understand the logic systematically from Disney's perspective but they got the logic backwards.

As for the passes, stuck in my Disney back pocket.
 
My suggestion would be let guests handle the prioritization somehow. The fact that the physical ticket "becomes" a MagicBand as you correctly stated is counter intuitive. One physical thing taking on the properties of this other thing makes no common sense.

Honestly, there are many guests, even posters on this board, who don't even truly understand how MagicBands actually work, much less that a card can act just like them! They assume information is stored on the bands, including credit cards and park tickets. So that makes it even more difficult for them to wrap their heads around the card issue.

As for the passes, stuck in my Disney back pocket.
Nice...
 
We ran into something similar. My son had 5 days left on a 10 day NE PH. We were going to be there for 6 days so I purchased a one day ticket. Discussing it with the CM on the phone, I purchased a one day non-MK ticket. We also received an actual paper ticket as well. I entered the ticket into MDE for FP's. She told me that on the day we use it, just scan the ticket media instead of the magic band to get into the park so it would grab that ticket on one of our non-MK days. Of course, you guessed it. On our last day, during a torrential rainstorm, rushing to get to our BOG lunch, he couldn't get in. And the line for guest services had us standing in the pouring rain for part of the wait. They just took the info and he didn't have to pay any extra, but it was somewhat stressful since I thought everything was fine.
 
Agree, having to prioritize tickets at guest services before park entrance is just absurd. I just added some old non-expiring tickets to my MDE account for my family and created "fake" family members to assign them to for this very reason. The CM helping me could not believe I was doing this, but after telling me that I would have to prioritize my AP over the old tickets every trip at guest services, I decided that was the best route to take.

Who wants to wait in the huge guest services line every trip to make sure the "right" tickets are used? Not me. Such a time waster for a problem that should not even be a problem - guests should be able to prioritize their own tickets :(
 
I currently have a 10 day NE pass and a 6 day expiring pass linked to my magic band. When I go in August, I want to use the 6 day. Can someone please explain or point me in the direction of an explanation of how to prioritize these tickets (phantom?) so I don't use the NE pass? thanks!
 
Had a similar situation last year. We learned the hard way that it doesn't matter what media you use, if the tickets are in your MDE account, it will use what is available. Quite frankly, I'm not sure what the standard priority is for usage, not sure if it is the age of the ticket, or if it takes the highest value ticket (meaning a park hopper over a non).

I agree that they should let guests choose their own priority. It is a giant waste of time to have to wait in line and do this at guest services.
 
I currently have a 10 day NE pass and a 6 day expiring pass linked to my magic band. When I go in August, I want to use the 6 day. Can someone please explain or point me in the direction of an explanation of how to prioritize these tickets (phantom?) so I don't use the NE pass? thanks!
Because you can't move the NE pass, you'd have to reassign the 6-day ticket entitlements to a phantom. The catch is that because the ticket entitlements are now moved away from the initial link, you'd need to link a newly purchased MB to the phantom or wait at Guest Relations to have a new plastic ticket linked to the phantom's Profile/line. (The old plastic ticket remains linked to your original Profile)

Much easier to buy a MB and link it to the phantom's Profile.

Then, with your NE, you can book additional FPs to use in the park by only tapping your original MB at FP tapstiles.
 
I currently have a 10 day NE pass and a 6 day expiring pass linked to my magic band. When I go in August, I want to use the 6 day. Can someone please explain or point me in the direction of an explanation of how to prioritize these tickets (phantom?) so I don't use the NE pass? thanks!

Yes, could some please explain this 'phantom' thing? My son has a 10 day NE park hopper w/ water park that has a few park days and a mostly all of the water park days left on it. We bought DVC AP for our July trip. DS will still need the 10 PH+ for entry into the water parks, but will be using the AP for park entry. How on earth can I do this without having to go to GS every time?

Thanks!
 
Because you can't move the NE pass, you'd have to reassign the 6-day ticket entitlements to a phantom. The catch is that because the ticket entitlements are now moved away from the initial link, you'd need to link a newly purchased MB to the phantom or wait at Guest Relations to have a new plastic ticket linked to the phantom's Profile/line. (The old plastic ticket remains linked to your original Profile)

Much easier to buy a MB and link it to the phantom's Profile.

Then, with your NE, you can book additional FPs to use in the park by only tapping your original MB at FP tapstiles.


If I am understanding this correctly, you can move the ticket entitlements to a new MDE account, but NOT the media (MB or plastic ticket)? And then you would just have to get new media for the 'phantom' MDE?
 
If I am understanding this correctly, you can move the ticket entitlements to a new MDE account, but NOT the media (MB or plastic ticket)? And then you would just have to get new media for the 'phantom' MDE?
Yes. The plastic ticket, once linked, becomes a MagicBand and can't be transferred. It was just the "carrier" of the entitlements to your MDE account.

The entitlements can be moved to any person/phantom of your choosing and it's beneficial to have a MB linked to that other person/phantom.
 
Yes. The plastic ticket, once linked, becomes a MagicBand and can't be transferred. It was just the "carrier" of the entitlements to your MDE account.

The entitlements can be moved to any person/phantom of your choosing and it's beneficial to have a MB linked to that other person/phantom.
Or, move the entitlements back to the original link after you have used up the target entitlements.
 
Yes, could some please explain this 'phantom' thing? My son has a 10 day NE park hopper w/ water park that has a few park days and a mostly all of the water park days left on it. We bought DVC AP for our July trip. DS will still need the 10 PH+ for entry into the water parks, but will be using the AP for park entry. How on earth can I do this without having to go to GS every time?

Thanks!
Meech, because your DS will only be using the PH+ for water parks, the system will only deduct from his PH water park entitlements.

But, before you enter a park, you must stop by Guest Relations to prioritize the AP. Your son, unfortunately, has two tickets that can't be moved away from their initial link. Both types are non-transferable.
 

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