Stay-at-Home Parent or Unemployed?

Staying at home instead of working is a family choice. Whether it is to care for children or not. If your family doesn't need the extra income, then its up to the person whether they feel their time is better spent in non paying pursuits or in a job.

If you aren't seeking employment, then you're a stay at home mom, not unemployed. And it's no body's business outside the family. Without knowing your personal financial situation it is nothing but presumptuous for anyone to say that you "should" be working.

But ( because with me, you know there's always a but) I can't help but wonder why the OP feels she has to rationalise or make excuses as to why she can't work. Of course she could work if she wanted/needed to. Millions of people manage it every day. Her living situation isn't nearly as unique as she perhaps thinks.

I think this is the part that aggravates me about the SAHParent/Working parent debates. The SAHP side always comes down with "I couldn't POSSIBLY get everything in our lives done if I had to work outside the home each day". But then, how do millions of working parents do it? I just think that people (on both sides) completely overcomplicate life and situations.

Do I LOVE having to work? No. What I love is having the money to afford the lifestyle we want to have. If DH quit his job (cuz no way in HELL would I be a good SAHM), we would not be doing the yearly vacations, the private school, or the extra curricular activities. Those things are more important to us than being there to say hi and bye each day, honestly. Sounds flippant, I know - but I can guarantee if you asked my kids, they would agree.

Every family does what works best for their family, but it's infuriating when it is insinuated that their way is the way that it "should be" or "can only possibly be" and that everyone's struggle is unique. We, as parents, are in this together.
 
I dislike the term stay at home mom. I do not dislike stay at home mothers though! The correct term is homemaker. If a family can afford to have a parent stay home after the kids go to school, and that parent wants to be a homemaker I would never begrudge anyone to do what was best for their situation.
 
When someone says "I couldnt" they are not saying anything about you. However, when someone says "you are unemployed, not a sahm" they are insinuating something about you. Everyone should make their own choices and people shouldn't point fingers telling others their choices aren't valid.
 
If you read my original post, I do work. I just happen to work at home! I'm not rationalizing anything. I'm not making excuses for not working.

And I don't think my situation is at all unique. That's exactly what I'm saying. I would think that a lot of people are in the same boat. And choose to stay home to be able to do all these things. Doesn't make them lazy as was insinuated in the post on the other thread. There's plenty to do when the kids are still in school. That's what I'm getting at.

School sports and practice happen after school. In our town, the soccer fields aren't even at the school, they're on the other side of town. They get bussed there after school but need rides after practice/game. Yes, he could get a ride with someone else, but it doesn't seem fair to have other parents constantly taking care of my kids.

School council, key club, other school clubs all happen after school. Again, with no transportation alternatives.

The cut off for school buses is 2 miles--we live 1.89 miles from the middle school.

Others have mentioned flexibility in work, taking stuff home, leaving early all the time. Fact is that's not reality for a lot of workers.

Plenty of people manage to work full time and do all these things. More power to them! But the point I'm trying to make is there's still a ton to be done even if the kids are in school for a few hours each day. Heck, just being home to greet them and say "How was your day?" is important to me. People who think, "Your kids are in school now. Your work at home is done," just don't really get how much can still be involved.

I agree with you that not everyone can leave early, or take work home. I work in health care, I can't bring my patients home with me, as much as some of them might like to (our house would probably be cheerier than the nursing home). I also can't let my children walk home as suggested, we have no bus service either and my 8 year old's school is ten miles from home, there is no question that I'd be turned into CPS for letting her walk that far, especially along the highway with no sidewalks. I'm glad I only have to work part time, since school started in August, not one week has gone by with all three of them in school for the full five days: they've had half days, days off, sick days, and doctor appointments. I'd surely have been let go by now from any full time job for taking that much time with them. If I had to work full time, I'd definitely need to move to a different area of the country, and hopefully I would find a flexible job as others have, or ideally something I could do from home. I agree that our lives have gotten much more hectic since the kids reached school age.
 

I think this is the part that aggravates me about the SAHParent/Working parent debates. The SAHP side always comes down with "I couldn't POSSIBLY get everything in our lives done if I had to work outside the home each day". But then, how do millions of working parents do it? I just think that people (on both sides) completely overcomplicate life and situations.

Do I LOVE having to work? No. What I love is having the money to afford the lifestyle we want to have. If DH quit his job (cuz no way in HELL would I be a good SAHM), we would not be doing the yearly vacations, the private school, or the extra curricular activities. Those things are more important to us than being there to say hi and bye each day, honestly. Sounds flippant, I know - but I can guarantee if you asked my kids, they would agree.

Every family does what works best for their family, but it's infuriating when it is insinuated that their way is the way that it "should be" or "can only possibly be" and that everyone's struggle is unique. We, as parents, are in this together.


Well, I think there have been numerous examples of why some people simply couldn't work outside the home without a drastic change in their lives.

My wife works outside the home, but she works for the school. That means she's off work at 3:15, off at Christmas, and off most of the Summer. Additionally, I no longer travel for my job, nor do I have a major commute. So, I'm available to pitch in here & there.

Now, suppose I had a job that required extensive travel AND my wife could only find work with hours that conflict with school activities? Well, that would certainly complicate things.
 
I think calling a stay at home Mom/Dad unemployed is a very unpopular opinion, at least around females/males I have met who have chosen this role in life.
 
I was speaking to a niece the other day who had gotten her feelings hurt but somebody implying she "didn't work" because all she does is manage 4 kids through a huge schedule of stuff. I told her just to tell people she's a Nanny or if she wants to sound really fancy she could be a bi-lingual Au Pair because she does speak French.

You get a bunch more respect caring for other's people kids than you'll ever get for taking care of your own.
 
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I was the one who brought up the SAHM WOHM thing on the other thread, in extreme caution that I made sure that I phrased every word carefully so as not to insult or bring judgement on anyone! Every single thing I said was based on my own experiences, and I totally understand how different circumstances bring about different lifestyle choices. Frankly, being the mom at all is never the most "fun" job most of the time, no matter how we do it!

When I said in my post that being at home was the "easiest by far", it was ONLY in comparison to doing all the typical mom jobs AND a 40-50 hours a week away from home job too. I never wanted to be a career woman - taking care of my home, family, and kids was exactly how I wanted to spend my life :) And when I was lucky enough to stay home, it was very time-consuming and at times, difficult! DH worked out of town or 12-14 hours days and was rarely home. I was always busy - I was on the PTA board, volunteered at the school and in the classrooms on a regular (often weekly) basis, babysat kids all the time, ran errands all day, was always taking the kids back and forth to school and activities since preschool, kindergarten, and grade school all let out at different times, and my house was actually clean! I had time to wash windows and dust. My kids' rooms were clean. They had clean sheets on their beds every week. Dishes never stayed in the sink. If the kids were sick, it was an easy decision to let them stay home frm school, and I rarely had to ask anyone for anything (something I HATE to do)

Then I had to go back to work for economic reasons. Oldest DS was 10 and in 5th grade. DD was 7, in 1st grade, and DS2 was 4 in preschool. It's been hectic and crazy since. 5 years now and nothing ever gets caught up. We stress out getting everyone everywhere they need to go. I have to tell my kids that they cannot do after-school clubs because I cannot get there by 4pm to pick them up. I race home from work to get them to evening activities by 5:30-6pm. if I get held up at work, forget about it. I have to ask other parents for help, which I hate. When my kids get sick, I worry more about taking the time off than I am about them being sick, and send them back to school as soon as possible once they are on antibiotics (if applicable) when before I would not even think twice about keeping them home another day. I pray that they get sick on a Tuesday because I work from home on Wednesdays, then pray they magically get better by Thursday. We do not have bussing for Middle School, which is .5 miles away, or the high school, which is 1.5 miles away, so my kids walk home. This is perfectly fine until December-March when it is snowy, freezing, and nasty outside. Then I stress about them getting frostbite in -10 degree weather. My oldest has a shoulder injury right now that makes him unable to carry his backpack on his right shoulder, and he has a LOT of books to carry home. I drive him to school at 6:50am, which is a hour and ten minutes before school starts, and pick him up at 5pm, which is 2 hours after school ends because he cannot walk home with his backpack on his shoulder. He has actually had the flu since Saturday and been off school all week with a 103 fever, and I've counted out the contagious days+incubation period trying to figure out in advance who will take what days off of work if the 9 year old comes down with it since he cannot stay home alone yet.

And the laundry, dishes, cooking, lunch-making, homework, projects, bathroom cleaning, dusting, grocery shopping, etc still has to get done in the same degree it always has had to be done. But instead of having 8 hours to do it, I usually have about 60 minutes. Until Saturday, when I spend 3-4 hours cleaning, and 3-4 hours on Sunday doing laundry and grocery shopping.

Now, I try to do all (some) of that well, and fail miserably. I want my old SAHM life back! LOL It was time-comsuming (I most defintely did NOT have time to sit around and do nothing all day!), but it was like being the boss of my OWN company - where what I said goes, and what I was doing made a difference and was important. I was always super-busy but loved every minute of it. I miss it and wish I could still be the mom I really want to be :( No sympathy plea intended or wanted - I am lucky in a million ways and grateful that I have 3 healthy kids and a job that pays the bills and gives my kids all of what they need and a lot of what they want. I get to work at home on Wednesdays, and my boss is pretty flexible knowing I have kids that still need me when they are sick or off school and she has no problem letting me telecommute when I need to (I just feel bad and hate taking advantage of it too often!)

I'm not complaining at all (well, maybe a little! LOL).

So, to answer the question - Even though my kids are 4th grade and up, the tasks I do as a parent have only increased, not decreased as the years have gone by. So, yes, I believe that any mom (or dad) who does not have a "out of the home" job, is still doing as much for their family and kids when they are in school as they did when the kids were little and therefore are "employed" (if using the term makes them feel better....for me, I don't care) - IF they want to. That's the key....most SAHM's I know treat their homelife and child-rearing seriously and put their all into it. Rarely do I meet a SAH parent who ignores their kids, doesn't help the community, and don't clean their house. For those people who do slack.....that's a whole different thread. But I don't think they are the majority by far.
 
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Once your kids are in school, I think it's HARD to work anything other than flexible, part time hours. Can it be done? Of course. But, it's not optimal.

I am not unemployed. I choose not to work. Big difference. Our family does nicely, financially, and I don't need to work. Unemployed, to me, assumes that you want/need employment.

And, the assumption that I sit around all day also isn't true. Being a stay at home parent allows me to keep a neat, tidy home (no cleaning people), and have home cooked meals on the table morning and night. All these things take time. Laundry is done. I can ferry kids to and from doctor's appointments, and activities with no problem at all.

It was EASIER when the kids were smaller. They had fewer activities. Now, it's a constant scheduling nightmare. Can't imagine trying to juggle it with two working parents.
 
My thoughts are that these things are to be figured out within a marriage or relationship. It's no one else's business. If one parent or spouse is working and the other is staying at home and taking care of the house and or kids, to me they are not unemployed. Their job is to take care of kids and or house. It really bothers me when people are critical of a spouse that stays at home when it is totally fine with their partner, and that is what works for their family.
 
I work full time as a hospital administrator. I can make my own hours (most days) as long as I put in 40 hours a week. My DH works 50+ hours a week. I have 2 kids - one in high school, one in middle school & our district doesn't have bussing. There is also no public transportation. I have no family nearby available. Our house is 3.8 miles from the schools, and some of that route isn't terribly safe to walk.

My DH drops kids off at school since it's on his way to work. I try to work 6:30 -3 most days since both kids are in activities. DS wrestles, plays football and requires math tutoring. DD runs track and plays volleyball. I'm lucky to have an after school program for the middle schooler...and paid $150 to sign her up, even though I may only need it a couple times a month at most. DS I have walk to the Tim Horton's near the school to grab pop and a donut to wait it out for me.

My housework is always behind, I feel like I do laundry every moment I'm home. We do lawn work on the weekends. I have a SAHM for a best friend, and I love her to pieces, but when she starts talking about how busy she is with her Costco trips and soccer games, I just grin and bear it. Really, I'd like to tell her to shut the heck up since I do all that too, along with work full time. It's completely my choice, and I love my job, but it's still so irritating to hear.
 
I hate this debate! Last year when we decided that I would stay home I worried about the SAHM vs. unemployed thing. I think I even posted about it!

I will say life was A LOT easier when I was a SAHM. DS was sick, no worries! He has a neurologist appointment 1.5 hours way, no problem! The same went for his developmental pediatrician, neuropysch and geneticist. Getting in to get him privately evaluated for speech, OT and PT was easier because I could take him in the morning. The after school slots had a wait list of a year! I didn't have to worry about the fact that his special needs preschool was only 3 hours in the morning, 4 days each week.

We moved back to FL and I went back to work for a few reasons. For the past two months DH has been getting his employment started (interviewed in mid August and he just started this week) so he has been bringing DS to school and picking him up. Now that he is working I have to bring DS to school. That means I have to drive him 25 mins to school then drive 40 minutes to work. If DH can't pick him up that means he is at school from 7:30 until 5:30. I hate that! It's too long! I haven't been able to volunteer at all at his school. I can't take time off to go to events (partly because I am pregnant and will have the baby in two weeks so I am saving my days.)

If DS is sick I stress about having to miss work. Currently he is coughing on couch and I am praying it doesn't turn into anything. Not that you ever want your kids to be sick, but I worried less about it when I was already home.

His school is 8:30-2:20 while mine is 8:30-4:00 so he will always be in aftercare. I can't leave early and "take my work home" so I don't even want to think about what will happen when he is involved with sports and such.

My house was a lot cleaner when I stayed at home too!

I think that whatever a family chooses, good for them! No judgement here! Call yourself whatever you want!
 
You are not considered unemployed unless you have been actively seeking work. If you are not actively seeking work, you are not counted as unemployed by the government.

I apologize to every working mother at my husband's company. I know that I am making your lives harder by enabling his constant presence in the office/ availability over email, etc. I remind him of this regularly because I think as time goes by, it is easy for him to take for granted that he has someone to cover the bases 60 hours a week with the kids.

This isn't ideal for us either. But I tried to do the 2 parent working family thing. It did not work for us. Every family is different. You have to do what works for you, and beyond that....let it go!
 
Count me as another one who doesn't consider a parent who chooses to maintain the home-life as unemployed. Some families have the type of partnerships where one parent works outside the home for income, and the other maintains the home, whether there are children or not. The word "unemployed" may be translated as 'not-employed,' however, it has a different connotation to me.
 
I AM unemployed - by choice! I want to be the one who gets up with the kids, makes them breakfast, helps them get them ready for school, takes them to school. I like to volunteer to help out at school. I also want to be here if they are sick, and not have to scramble to find help so I don't have to call in sick at my job. I want to be home to clean the house, tidy their rooms, and be caught up with laundry so they have their favorite clothes to wear.

I don't even know how I would be able to cook a healthy dinner every night if I worked. We hate crock pot food, that short cut would be out of the question.

Finally, I want to be the one who takes them to the park, to their activities, etc. When I am at the park and see all of these nannies on their iPhones paying no attention to the kids they are being paid to watch, I feel even more grateful that we can afford for me to be unemployed and home full time with my kids.

Before my first child came along I had a high level IT job, then I had my own consulting business. Now that I have two active girls I choose to be unemployed. I am also a stay at home mom.

Oh, and those 6 hours that my kids are in school go by very fast. It's really 9-3 - not all day long like some people think it is.
 
Take it from someone who didn't have a choice - a stay at home parent is not unemployed.
 
Why/how is this even a debate? Who here really believes that how SOMEONE ELSE decided to manage their home/career/family/marriage makes one bit of difference to them? So many of the posts here seem to be a defence of one lifestyle choice or another; point/counter-point style against the "opposing" choice. But what is compelling anyone to feel the need? I don't care what you do or don't do, and I really couldn't care less what you think about me, if you even think about me at all. I just really do not understand all this...:confused:
 
I don't understand the need to apply a pejorative term to a stay at home parent, except possibly because of jealousy or the perceived need to tell other people how to live their lives. I don't work. I don't need to work. I don't want to work (for money). I have been drawing a pension check since I was 48. Would it be better to call myself "retired." LOL.

I'm perfectly happy and content with my life. If it makes YOU feel better to call me "unemployed," have at it. But, I consider myself a stay at home parent.
 
I think this is the part that aggravates me about the SAHParent/Working parent debates. The SAHP side always comes down with "I couldn't POSSIBLY get everything in our lives done if I had to work outside the home each day". But then, how do millions of working parents do it? I just think that people (on both sides) completely overcomplicate life and situations.

Do I LOVE having to work? No. What I love is having the money to afford the lifestyle we want to have. If DH quit his job (cuz no way in HELL would I be a good SAHM), we would not be doing the yearly vacations, the private school, or the extra curricular activities. Those things are more important to us than being there to say hi and bye each day, honestly. Sounds flippant, I know - but I can guarantee if you asked my kids, they would agree.

Every family does what works best for their family, but it's infuriating when it is insinuated that their way is the way that it "should be" or "can only possibly be" and that everyone's struggle is unique. We, as parents, are in this together.

I agree. I got no issue with what any other family wants to do. But, I find it slightly annoying when the term "unemployed" has to be applied to those of us who CHOOSE to stay home and raise our kids. Each choice is valid. Let's not complicate it by using negative language about the other group("unemployed" is not a happy, positive term, is it?).

I'm pretty sure people who work outside the home wouldn't be happy if we called them "part time parents," right?
 
I agree. I got no issue with what any other family wants to do. But, I find it slightly annoying when the term "unemployed" has to be applied to those of us who CHOOSE to stay home and raise our kids. Each choice is valid. Let's not complicate it by using negative language about the other group("unemployed" is not a happy, positive term, is it?).

I'm pretty sure people who work outside the home wouldn't be happy if we called them "part time parents," right?

Or divorced parents who share custody of their kids with the other parent....Not to go off-topic too much, but I will never, ever forget the time my awful, judgemental, sanctimonious next door neighbor very seriously told me that a mutual neighbor who was a divorced parent of one child wasn't entitled to give anyone parenting advice because "essentially, she is a part-time parent - her kid is with his dad 1/2 of the time"

Whoo-eee. That was going on 10 years ago, and I remember it like yesterday. I ended up really disliking my neighbor and wished sometimes that I could tell her "friend" what she said, but it was one of those things that crossed the line so far that the "bearer of the bad news" ends up looking worse than the one who actually said it!
 

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