State of Fast Pass Return (or replacement)

[New Mouse]

If like most people and groups you plan your FP's at 60 days then you would bunch them up into about a 3-4 hour window, most times.
Then multiply that by thousands and that takes a lot guests out of the standby line and enjoying snacks, shopping..and A/C, mostly in the AM but if like me in the afternoon. Of course sometimes you can only get the headliners when you can get them....YRMV...
Unless you are a local AP and then your opinion is a bit jaded and not very enthusiastic about FP+ returning...

Most people who have a fastpass for one line are typically in another standby line while they wait. Its a proven fact that people dont go to the parks predominatly for eating/shopping, minus maybe epcot. Fastpass allows people to attempt to ride more rides standby in a day, it doesnt push them to shop and eat.

 

[Mac30188]

According to Sirlink at WDWMAGIC


All three resorts will allow pay for individual FP per person per attraction
WDW and DL will have plans think 'old' DDP: Counter Service, Regular and Deluxe, however I'm told these will be ticket add-ons
Individual and plans will have seasonal pricing
Attractions will be divided into 3 categories: Classics, Headliner, Super Headliner
Examples: Classics think PPF, Headliner think BTMR, Super Headliner think FoP.
With the plans when you run out of your credits you can buy MORE!
Current internal debate around redeeming credits. i.e. do two Classic credits redeemed get you a Headliner and do two Headliner credits redeemed get you a Super Headliner.
Another is how many are you given and do you get them all up front or do none tokens used get stacked on to the next day.
P.S. UK visitors get ready for another round of ticket changes to reflect the new front of line access passes and to include seasonal pricing.

P.S.S I've been told DDP when it comes back will be undergoing similar changes:
Either with DDP tokens at sit down dining and signature it would go to a prix fixe menu at all locations and remain the same policies as was in place previously for counter service and snacks
Or they give out a credit amount so if a plan is worth $60 per day it shows on your MDE as $60, to suitably force users from the higher priced options. I'm told from multiple F+B managers either of the plans would be a god send

My 2 cents. If this rumor is accurate, this sounds a long way off. These types of decisions have to be coded, tested, etc.

My assumption is either;

A) This is a dated rumor and some of the questions have already been answered.
B) They are not close and they should put Fastpass back as a stopgap.
C) This is just not accurate.

 

[Jrb1979]

As if you would ever post anything positive about fastpass.

What I posted would be a positive to me. It would be more limited in regards to availability.

 

[New Mouse]

And your logic for fastpass making the lines longer is extremely flawed.

Its not logic, its math. Person A had a return time for pirates at 2pm. Person A now hops into the standby line for Aladdins carpets while they wait, instead of waiting in a standby line for Pirates. That now causes an extra wait for other Aladdin guests and is then neutral wait for pirates.

The only way its equal or less of a wait for the day assumes that fastpass guests will try to ride less rides in a day when the service is available.

The whole reason most guests want fastpass back is to try to ride more rides.

 

[Lewisc]

My 2 cents. If this rumor is accurate, this sounds a long way off. These types of decisions have to be coded, tested, etc.

My assumption is either;

A) This is a dated rumor and some of the questions have already been answered.
B) They are not close and they should put Fastpass back as a stopgap.
C) This is just not accurate.

I don't know how accurate the source is. Dining Plan credit is already being sold to UK guests. Prior to DDP dining was a dollar allowance. Dining is already done.

FP replacement is being tested. The system already handles different tiers. The poster suggests Disney is going to give the tiers names.

 

[Wandering Oaken]

Its not logic, its math. Person A had a return time for pirates at 2pm. Person A now hops into the standby line for Aladdins carpets while they wait, instead of waiting in a standby line for Pirates. That now causes an extra wait for other Aladdin guests and is then neutral wait for pirates.

The only way its equal or less of a wait for the day assumes that fastpass guests will try to ride less rides in a day when the service is available.

The whole reason most guests want fastpass back is to try to ride more rides.

I'm not going to debate this with you just like I'm not going to spit into the wind. Have a nice day!

 

[Wandering Oaken]

My 2 cents. If this rumor is accurate, this sounds a long way off. These types of decisions have to be coded, tested, etc.

My assumption is either;

A) This is a dated rumor and some of the questions have already been answered.
B) They are not close and they should put Fastpass back as a stopgap.
C) This is just not accurate.

Oh! Oh! I know! I know! It's C!!

 

[cakebaker]

It will take $$$$$$$$. You pay them $10 per ride and they will be waiting for you.

Not true because if it was, they’d have my money. If they’re doing paid, then do it!

 

[cakebaker]

Great, so I want to pay $150 a ticket with my head buried in a screen all day? Ill pass.

So pass and don’t buy it. Seems simple to me. No one is forcing you.

 

[onelove8187]

Its not logic, its math. Person A had a return time for pirates at 2pm. Person A now hops into the standby line for Aladdins carpets while they wait, instead of waiting in a standby line for Pirates. That now causes an extra wait for other Aladdin guests and is then neutral wait for pirates.

The only way its equal or less of a wait for the day assumes that fastpass guests will try to ride less rides in a day when the service is available.

The whole reason most guests want fastpass back is to try to ride more rides.

Let’s see the actual math. You can run your models through any programming you like and just screenshot the results, but I’d like to see all the differential equations and defined variables along with assumptions. Thanks!

 

[jhglassman]

Why is there a need for fastpass? That would just



Why is there a need for fastpass? That would just make the standby lines longer.


The only thing there is a need for is opening more experiences which is why the lines are the way they are. Disney got greedy (shocker) and raised capacity before they could handle it.

Its not logic, its math. Person A had a return time for pirates at 2pm. Person A now hops into the standby line for Aladdins carpets while they wait, instead of waiting in a standby line for Pirates. That now causes an extra wait for other Aladdin guests and is then neutral wait for pirates.

The only way its equal or less of a wait for the day assumes that fastpass guests will try to ride less rides in a day when the service is available.

The whole reason most guests want fastpass back is to try to ride more rides.

No. It’s to ride a reasonable amount of rides without spending my vacation standing in lines.

 

[yaya74]

No. It’s to ride a reasonable amount of rides without spending my vacation standing in lines.

Totally agree. Just came back from a 6 day trip. My family were miserable in the park without FP+. During pre-covid, we could ride anywhere 6-8 rides using FP+ and not spending longer than 10 minutes in the line. During this visit, we could only ride 2-3 rides per day and had to wait more than 30 minutes each. We skipped rides that had a wait time longer than 30 minutes. We could only visit during the summer so FP+ is very important to my family.

 

[onelove8187]

Its not logic, its math. Person A had a return time for pirates at 2pm. Person A now hops into the standby line for Aladdins carpets while they wait, instead of waiting in a standby line for Pirates. That now causes an extra wait for other Aladdin guests and is then neutral wait for pirates.

ok so even without modeling software you are very close to showing the overall benefit of FP+. In your scenario, Aladdin wait goes up… ok, but not that simple but let’s assume it does. You forget that the person standing in like for Aladdin is also waiting virtually ( wether or not they’ve already done their FP-assume the virtual wait is balanced over the day).

But here’s the thing ride throughput is CONSTANT so rates and numbers of guests who ride per day are constant (obviously avoiding all variables that impact this here for simplicity- this is a function of many things like staffing, weather, line length, guest willingness to wait a certain length) therefore wait times are constant.

If any amount of this wait time is spent virtually, you are ahead over the alternative. Maybe it feels frustrating to see FP+ go in front of you but unless you are using iit at all you are better off. I realize this requires assuming that everyone only rides 3 for simplicity and not all scenarios work…

There is certainly some point where refreshing people would increase waits enough to impact people only riding 3 but you need data and actual mathematics to show the relationship. I don’t believe those levels are very realistic to have much impact since most people probably do 4-5 total. It is possible to work out the details and maybe I’ll get to it at some point but my maths is a little rusty lol.

 

[New Mouse]

ok so even without modeling software you are very close to showing the overall benefit of FP+. In your scenario, Aladdin wait goes up… ok, but not that simple but let’s assume it does. You forget that the person standing in like for Aladdin is also waiting virtually ( wether or not they’ve already done their FP-assume the virtual wait is balanced over the day).

But here’s the thing ride throughput is CONSTANT so rates and numbers of guests who ride per day are constant (obviously avoiding all variables that impact this here for simplicity- this is a function of many things like staffing, weather, line length, guest willingness to wait a certain length) therefore wait times are constant.

If any amount of this wait time is spent virtually, you are ahead over the alternative. Maybe it feels frustrating to see FP+ go in front of you but unless you are using iit at all you are better off. I realize this requires assuming that everyone only rides 3 for simplicity and not all scenarios work…

There is certainly some point where refreshing people would increase waits enough to impact people only riding 3 but you need data and actual mathematics to show the relationship. I don’t believe those levels are very realistic to have much impact since most people probably do 4-5 total. It is possible to work out the details and maybe I’ll get to it at some point but my maths is a little rusty lol.

People on average use 2 fp per day for a variety of reasons. A majority are not taking advantage of anything beyond the initial 3 which is why the screen watchers like it so much. Getting rid of the fastpass eliminated their "advantage". If everyone were mashing the screen trying to get a 4th, 5th, 6th fp then youd either be in a standby line or not riding.

 

[onelove8187]

People on average use 2 fp per day for a variety of reasons. A majority are not taking advantage of anything beyond the initial 3 which is why the screen watchers like it so much. Getting rid of the fastpass eliminated their "advantage". If everyone were mashing the screen trying to get a 4th, 5th, 6th fp then youd either be in a standby line or not riding.

1. Where is that fact from-you don’t have that data. I believe you made it up.
2. If it is true, you still need to do the math to show they are disadvantaged, which is not easy math. It is very possible that the math will bear out that using 2 fastpasses (and riding 5 standby) will benefit the user. With my simplifying assumptions essentially wait in physical lines is reduced by half (we’d also have to assume all people wait in same number of standby lines)
3. My assumptions are my point, these need to be defined based on actual data collected and available to Disney, not us… we could make some educated guesses and do the math.
4. people pointing at math aren’t showing their work.

 

[ambellina]

According to Sirlink at WDWMAGIC

All three resorts will allow pay for individual FP per person per attraction

Which 3 resorts?

 

[onelove8187]

Which 3 resorts?

I would guess he meant resort category

 

[ambellina]

I would guess he meant resort category

Thanks, that was very confusing for me.

 

[New Mouse]

1. Where is that fact from-you don’t have that data. I believe you made it up.
2. If it is true, you still need to do the math to show they are disadvantaged, which is not easy math. It is very possible that the math will bear out that using 2 fastpasses (and riding 5 standby) will benefit the user. With my simplifying assumptions essentially wait in physical lines is reduced by half (we’d also have to assume all people wait in same number of standby lines)
3. My assumptions are my point, these need to be defined based on actual data collected and available to Disney, not us… we could make some educated guesses and do the math.
4. people pointing at math aren’t showing their work.

When Disney created fastpass plus the limit of 3 was based around data of how many fastpasses people used with traditional fastpass on average. I believe it was in the high 1.xxxx.

 

[Lewisc]

Which 3 resorts?

I think that means DLP, WDW and whatever abbreviations for CA