Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker discussion thread (*** now contains spoilers ***)

[jkh36619]

In your opinion.

I believe that goes without stating

 

[LizzyS]

I think most of my love for the movie has to do with liking the new characters (Ben, Rey, Finn, and Poe) and less with the story itself. Adam and Daisy's performances were great in all three films!

Agreed!

 

[LizzyS]

I believe that goes without stating

I thought so, too, lol. This thread is full of our personal opinions about the movie.

 

[Mikey15]

The prequel(which I liked) had bad acting but a solid story. This trilogy had great acting and a terrible story.

Gonna pick a nit. The prequels had some of the greatest acting cast Star Wars has ever been graced with (with some notable exceptions). It’s the dialogue they were given that was terrible.

Can’t get blood from a stone.

 

[LizzyS]

Speaking of dialogue, I consider it a tragedy that Ben Solo only got to say "Ow" in this movie. However, it's a perfect reflection of my emotions after watching it, so.

Ironic (Palpatine voice).

 

[AvidDisReader]

I remember reading an interview a long time ago with Lucas that he actually wrote out the entire arc of all 9 episodes. Now that does not mean he did not tweak the stories as he went along. Lucas's big failing was his dialog just was not very good (heck Alex Guinness biggest complaint was the lame dialog, and there is a funny line from Carrie Fisher in the making of star wars about the dialog-you can catch it on Disney +). You have to wonder if Disney had stuck to Lucas's original outline for the last 3 episodes, but had creative writers run with it how this would of turned out. I enjoyed the last 3, but cannot help but be curious.

 

[rteetz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1210592698777784321

 

[Boski]

I think it depends what "bringing balance to the Force" means though. One could argue the Jedi had gotten too strong and corrupt and to bring balance first thing was to humble the Jedi which he did

I do think with just parts 1-6 it was the story arc of Anakin and now it is more of the "Force" and "all the Jedi vs all the Sith", etc

I'm not a big fan of the whole "chosen one" prophecy, and I totally see your side on trying to make it work (I can get behind it as well). What I was replying to is there is a not so small part of the SW fandom that say Anakin is the chosen one and ended up fulfilling the prophecy. I'm pretty sure Lucas is on record about this as well. That part of the fandom isn't real happy that Palps came back.

 

[TomServo27]

I'm not a big fan of the whole "chosen one" prophecy, and I totally see your side on trying to make it work (I can get behind it as well). What I was replying to is there is a not so small part of the SW fandom that say Anakin is the chosen one and ended up fulfilling the prophecy. I'm pretty sure Lucas is on record about this as well. That part of the fandom isn't real happy that Palps came back.

Lucas is on record as saying exactly that. So wether we like it or not that’s what the guy who created the whole thing says his intent was.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I'm not a big fan of the whole "chosen one" prophecy, and I totally see your side on trying to make it work (I can get behind it as well). What I was replying to is there is a not so small part of the SW fandom that say Anakin is the chosen one and ended up fulfilling the prophecy. I'm pretty sure Lucas is on record about this as well. That part of the fandom isn't real happy that Palps came back.

Oh, I can certainly see that side of things ... I just think it can work as well

 

[Brianstl]

Well, technically, since it isn't shown in the movie it is not truly canon, but that was the intent. A future writer could always come along and change that. I don't think they will make any more movies with these characters, but it may be addressed in a novel or comic book.

I think a Finn story has to be the Feige movie. There was no reason for multiple reference to this if it wasn’t being used as a set up for where they are going at least with the next movie.

 

[skeeter31]

I remember reading an interview a long time ago with Lucas that he actually wrote out the entire arc of all 9 episodes. Now that does not mean he did not tweak the stories as he went along. Lucas's big failing was his dialog just was not very good (heck Alex Guinness biggest complaint was the lame dialog, and there is a funny line from Carrie Fisher in the making of star wars about the dialog-you can catch it on Disney +). You have to wonder if Disney had stuck to Lucas's original outline for the last 3 episodes, but had creative writers run with it how this would of turned out. I enjoyed the last 3, but cannot help but be curious.

While we’ll never know what Lucas’ original 7-9 would have been, I have to assume these movies differed quite a bit from them because of the length of time from filming 6 to 7. I’m going to guess Lucas would have had the OT cast in bigger roles if they were younger and it was filmed in the 80s or 90s.

 

[TomServo27]

I think a Finn story has to be the Feige movie. There was no reason for multiple reference to this if it wasn’t being used as a set up for where they are going at least with the next movie.

Only thing I’ve seen with regards to the Feige movie is that he had an actor in mind for the movie. I think and hope that it will be a new story with all new characters. Also don’t even know if that is the next movie up yet but everyone seems to assume it will be.

 

[disneygirlsng]

What an amazing movie to cap off such an incredibly well done trilogy. Loved everything about all 3 movies! Definitely don't understand the criticism, but it seems as though the majority has positive feelings about it!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Since we're doing spoilers now--

I liked the move overall disliked the ending and it kinda ruined the whole trilogy for me as in now I know what happens and I just feel sad. I think they did a disservice there--lots of build up and tension and then poof gone and she just flies off. I did like that she went to where it all started but I wish Ben was there with her; even a predictable his end could have been I was really hoping they wouldn't have done that. The guy next to me just flung his hands up when he died and I'm thinking he had the exact thought I did "wow finally...wait what no wait why did you do that". Frustrating and disappointing it twas.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Since we're doing spoilers now--

I liked the move overall disliked the ending and it kinda ruined the whole trilogy for me as in now I know what happens and I just feel sad. I think they did a disservice there--lots of build up and tension and then poof gone and she just flies off. I did like that she went to where it all started but I wish Ben was there with her; even a predictable his end could have been I was really hoping they wouldn't have done that. The guy next to me just flung his hands up when he died and I'm thinking he had the exact thought I did "wow finally...wait what no wait why did you do that". Frustrating and disappointing it twas.

Hmm, interesting. Personally I think it was fitting that he sacrificed himself - as the last Skywalker, to complete his grandfather's purpose in bringing balance to the Force and the Rey, the new "Skywalker" goes on from there

Overall I enjoyed the ending, though could have done without a) the kiss and b) the gratuitous light saber ignition (even if it was a cool looking light saber)

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Hmm, interesting. Personally I think it was fitting that he sacrificed himself - as the last Skywalker, to complete his grandfather's purpose in bringing balance to the Force and the Rey, the new "Skywalker" goes on from there

Overall I enjoyed the ending, though could have done without a) the kiss and b) the gratuitous light saber ignition (even if it was a cool looking light saber)

I might have thought more like that if they didn't spend 3 movies building up this darn connection. He did sacrifice himself though in a variety of ways IMO. I'm cool with everything they did up until the point where they killed him off. I didn't need him to be the hero that one typically thinks of but I didn't think he needed to die either. Rey could have been the new Skywalker besides Ben even with some of his redeeming qualities could have felt that he wasn't worthy of the name whereas Rey was.

Yeah the kiss was there I *think* to appease the romantics (I'll self admit I'm a romantic haha). I honestly didn't necessarily need it but at the same time it wasn't bad either. But I wanted there to be something for their future, something that showed after all this talk of their dyad that there would be a better payoff. My payoff was actually liking their pull towards each other, rooting for them as imperfect people capable of making mistakes, trying to reconcile that and what was expected of them, and then seeing it fall apart as you get to it this culmination and a second later he's gone. I'm not saying they had to go run off and be this big power couple but I wanted more than what I got unfortunately.

I'll admit the focus on balancing the force is lost on me probably because of how they built up this connection they had for each other and how it made me feel. I also think that balancing the force doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. To some balance means only Rey could survive. To me balance could have meant Rey and Ben balancing each other out, keeping each other on specific paths--we know Rey, even as she chooses Light, has thought about choosing or at least doing Dark things.

I've surprised myself at how disappointed I was in the ending so there's that lol I liked the movie really until that part so hopefully it doesn't come across as too debbie down ya know. Annddd that was probably way more explanation into my thoughts than I initially thought it would be

 

[Mikey15]

Hmm, interesting. Personally I think it was fitting that he sacrificed himself - as the last Skywalker, to complete his grandfather's purpose in bringing balance to the Force and the Rey, the new "Skywalker" goes on from there

Overall I enjoyed the ending, though could have done without a) the kiss and b) the gratuitous light saber ignition (even if it was a cool looking light saber)

I’d have liked it more if Ben lived or they at least spent some time on Ben living on inside her. Maybe her hearing his voice?

Some speculation around online about how an alternate ending would have worked... even a partial fan edit video. Ben saves Rey. Collapses. Then Leia disappears, Maz smiles, Ben comes back to life surprising Rey. And THEN they kiss.

I kind of think that would have been better than what we got. You still get Ben’s sacrifice and fulfilling his grandfather’s destiny of helping bring balance, plus achieving what Anakin never could by bringing someone back from the dead. It still means something. But then you also get Ben a redeemed life, by grace of his mother’s forgiveness.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I’d have liked it more if Ben lived or they at least spent some time on Ben living on inside her. Maybe her hearing his voice?

Some speculation around online about how an alternate ending would have worked... even a partial fan edit video. Ben saves Rey. Collapses. Then Leia disappears, Maz smiles, Ben comes back to life surprising Rey. And THEN they kiss.

I kind of think that would have been better than what we got. You still get Ben’s sacrifice and fulfilling his grandfather’s destiny of helping bring balance, plus achieving what Anakin never could by bringing someone back from the dead. It still means something. But then you also get Ben a redeemed life, by grace of his mother’s forgiveness.

I certainly see that side but to me it works better that Ben doesn't survive b/c a) too much of a cheesy happy ending for the happy couple and b) what do you do with Ben then? Nice story but in reality he would still need to pay for his war crimes. So either he is punished or you have him in hiding and then the "good guys" are running from the law. Just raises too many issues


Also, I think there is symetry with he and Vader now if being redeemed and that redemption enabling him to be a Force Ghost. How would you have felt about if it played out the way it did but then in the last scene Rey looks over and sees the Force Ghosts of Luke, Leia, and Ben?

 

[mrsap]

I certainly see that side but to me it works better that Ben doesn't survive b/c a) too much of a cheesy happy ending for the happy couple and b) what do you do with Ben then? Nice story but in reality he would still need to pay for his war crimes. So either he is punished or you have him in hiding and then the "good guys" are running from the law. Just raises too many issues


Also, I think there is symetry with he and Vader now if being redeemed and that redemption enabling him to be a Force Ghost. How would you have felt about if it played out the way it did but then in the last scene Rey looks over and sees the Force Ghosts of Luke, Leia, and Ben?

Ok- so I totally see your point with the Ben and Rey fairytale ending... but Disney is running the show now, so I can’t see why this can’t be a possibility!?!!! All she has to do is cry a tear on him and he’s magically back to life. Hey... It worked for Rapunzel!!!!!! Ughh, I wanted so much for them to be together. Why can’t they just Palpatine him?! I mean, he’d have creepy eyes and all, but it’s worth it. I’m just joking... I think.