Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reaction and Discussion *CONTAINS SPOILERS*

[TheMaxRebo]

Yeah, another thing to like about the DIS - death threats seem to be kept to a bare minimum.

It makes me a little scared for the response to Galaxy's Edge by a certain portion of the fandom.

although, maybe another reason they set Galaxy's Edge on a plane that is new to the Star Wars Universe ... I mean, if it was set on Tatooine or something you'd have people out with measuring tapes ensuring that things were built properly to the specifications they made up in their heads

 

[TomServo27]

Here what Rian Johnson has said about Rey’s parents.

So, can I just make the statement, that’s who her parents are? They came from nothing, they’re buried in the desert, is that for sure?



RIAN JOHNSON: That’s what Kylo sees and that’s what he tells her and I think he’s not lying in that moment. That’s what he saw and she seems to believe it when she hears it. I don’t want to … I’m not writing the next film, we’ll see how they handle it going forward, and as we all know in these movies, there’s always a certain point of view that’s involved. But, for me, I’ll tell you that was the … I can understand why that answer doesn’t feel good. It’s not supposed to feel good. It’s supposed to be the hardest thing she could possibly hear in that moment.

Got that from here

http://collider.com/reys-parents-is-kylo-ren-telling-the-truth-the-last-jedi/

 

[Irish_Mike]

I don’t want to … I’m not writing the next film, we’ll see how they handle it going forward, and as we all know in these movies, there’s always a certain point of view that’s involved. But, for me, I’ll tell you that was the … I can understand why that answer doesn’t feel good. It’s not supposed to feel good. It’s supposed to be the hardest thing she could possibly hear in that moment.

I'm not sure this is the answer one would give in a trilogy where the plot is planned out well in advance and shares a cohesive vision. This literally comes off as "I did what I thought makes a good story, JJ may do a complete 180 so stay tuned!"

 

[skier_pete]

For those that want to know where my comment before about their being no overarching plan for the trilogy - here's the link

https://theplaylist.net/spike-jonze-rian-johnson-last-jedi-20171220/

And quote:

“There wasn’t any secret whiteboard with the whole story laid out. I read J.J. [Abrams], Michael [Arndt], and Larry [Kasdan] script for [‘The Force Awakens’], and it was just ‘What happens next?’ ” said Rian Johnson during the interview. This seems to be the answer to the biggest question surrounding ‘The Last Jedi.” Did ‘The Force Awakens’ creative team have a huge, grand plan for the three-film story? Apparently not. Johnson continues, “This was more like a baton handoff.”

The reason this has been on the minds of fans around the world is because ‘The Last Jedi’ feels so different than ‘The Force Awakens.’ Where ‘The Force Awakens’ was a celebration of everything ‘Star Wars,’ ‘The Last Jedi’ was a deconstruction of the entire mythology. Needless to say, fans were not expecting this contrast, and this disparity between films has led to literal petitions to get ‘The Last Jedi’ removed from canon.

The other highly debated question is how much did J.J. Abrams and company tell Rian about the answers to questions raised in ‘The Force Awakens?’ Was Johnson given direction when talking about Snoke’s origins or Rey’s true parentage? The answer to that is definitely no. With Rey’s true parentage revealed to be of no real importance, with her parents being two drunks who gave her up for some money, Johnson just picked what he thought would be the only interesting answer. “You’ll have to stand on your own two feet and define yourself in this story,” says Johnson.

Perhaps the real reason ‘The Last Jedi’ exists as something unique is because Rian Johnson wrote the film almost in a vacuum. The first screenplay was turned in well before ‘The Force Awakens’ was released and became one of the biggest films of all time. Hell, he wrote his first draft not even based on footage seen, but solely on the script for ‘Episode VII.’ Johnson says, “I was writing based on my reaction to it, not the world’s reaction to it.”

Quite honestly - the fact that Rey is "nobody" is really one of the best decisions in the history of Star Wars...after being debated for a year what other answer would really have satisfied.

I'm not sure this is the answer one would give in a trilogy where the plot is planned out well in advance and shares a cohesive vision. This literally comes off as "I did what I thought makes a good story, JJ may do a complete 180 so stay tuned!"

That is completely true. What's funny is...it's quite likely he knows EXACTLY what's coming in Episode 9. It's going to film this year after all, there already has to be a script maybe not 100% complete but at least partly.

 

[Airship Ariadne]

Some have talked about why R2-D2 didn't tell Luke about Anakin/Vader (sorry, I didn't get them all quoted). Didn't they wipe 3PO and R2's memories at the end of Revenge of the Sith?

only 3-PO

 

[Iowamomof4]

You're right. Forgot about that line.....and the fact that a certain hologram projection made another appearance in TLJ.

Guess I'm going to split hairs and point out that Leia's message was recorded after the memory wipe (which, apparently, did not include R2 anyway).

 

[sachilles]

Seems more like a punt, to avoid answering. Sometimes you might know the answer. You want to share what you can, but don't want to slip up and release something you shouldn't. So I think it was a non answer.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Seems more like a punt, to avoid answering. Sometimes you might know the answer. You want to share what you can, but don't want to slip up and release something you shouldn't. So I think it was a non answer.

Also might be that what would happen going forward wasn't known at the time of the filming of that scene - I took what he said to mean that when they felt it they filmed it and had the actors "act" as if it was true. Maybe after that fact but prior to know he found out they would change it or whatever, buta t the time and for the purpose of how the scene was acted it was as if it was true

 

[mcjaco]

Guess I'm going to split hairs and point out that Leia's message was recorded after the memory wipe (which, apparently, did not include R2 anyway).

Or that, I clearly don't care about continuity. I just watch the movies because I enjoy them. Except Phantom Menace. That one stinks.

 

[TomServo27]

I'm not sure this is the answer one would give in a trilogy where the plot is planned out well in advance and shares a cohesive vision. This literally comes off as "I did what I thought makes a good story, JJ may do a complete 180 so stay tuned!"

Breaking Bad seems like a show that was planned out and it is generally regarded as one the best shows ever. But I have heard Vince Gilligan the creator of Breaking Bad talk about his writing process. He and his writers would at times write themselves into a corner not knowing how they would resolve it. Just to challenge the writing room and this was how they came up with so much creative stuff. This seems insane to me but I’m not a writer and it seemed to work for them.

Also one my favorite sci-fi writers is Isaac Asimov. He would know how he was gonna start and end a book but had no idea how he would get there. He would just start writing and often things would take turns he never himself expected. So I guess my point is the writing process is not as clean often as we would expect it even for the best writers.

 

[patneistat]

My take on the "The Last Jedi" for what its worth.

https://notclub33.com/?p=589

 

[Airship Ariadne]

Or that, I clearly don't care about continuity.

Neither did George Lucas

 

[crazy4wdw]

This is how I feel about the portrayal of Luke Skywalker in the Last Jedi as discussed by Mark Hamill:

 

[Grand Admiral]

A heavily edited video taking bits and clips out of context.

It's weird how he says a Jedi would never give up and become a hermit when both Obi-Wan and Yoda did exactly that.

 

[OnSpaceshipEarth]

I really liked The Last Jedi but it's really losing steam quickly at the box office. Every weekday has been only half of what The Force Awakens grossed and there is the very real possibility that it struggles to even match Rogue One's domestic gross.

 

[skier_pete]

A heavily edited video taking bits and clips out of context.

It's weird how he says a Jedi would never give up and become a hermit when both Obi-Wan and Yoda did exactly that.

Generally the Jedi through the history of the movies were pretty much a bunch of wankers. They were tricked into siding with the wrong side in the clone wars. (Easy to forget that they essentially worked for the Emperor before they were wiped out.) They were fooled into thinking Anakin Skywalker was the "chosen one" and instead he helped destroy them. In the end, I guess they seeded the pieces that helped defeat the emperor - but in the end, the "First Order" rose back up in between the Emperor's defeat and what we are seeing now. No surprise that Luke would bugger things up in a way similar to the way dozens of learned Jedi managed to do as well.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I really liked The Last Jedi but it's really losing steam quickly at the box office. Every weekday has been only half of what The Force Awakens grossed and there is the very real possibility that it struggles to even match Rogue One's domestic gross.

One thing to note is that the timing of the release - most schools haven't gotten off for holiday break whereas for the Force Awakens the break was pretty much right after it opened

So will be interesting to see how it does next week compared to same time for TFA

 

[mcjaco]

Generally the Jedi through the history of the movies were pretty much a bunch of wankers. They were tricked into siding with the wrong side in the clone wars. (Easy to forget that they essentially worked for the Emperor before they were wiped out.) They were fooled into thinking Anakin Skywalker was the "chosen one" and instead he helped destroy them. In the end, I guess they seeded the pieces that helped defeat the emperor - but in the end, the "First Order" rose back up in between the Emperor's defeat and what we are seeing now. No surprise that Luke would bugger things up in a way similar to the way dozens of learned Jedi managed to do as well.

The Dark side clouds things.

 

[mcjaco]

One thing to note is that the timing of the release - most schools haven't gotten off for holiday break whereas for the Force Awakens the break was pretty much right after it opened

So will be interesting to see how it does next week compared to same time for TFA

Really? My Facebook feed shows that it was at the same time. About a week before holiday break. I know I saw TFA before kids got out.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Really? My Facebook feed shows that it was at the same time. About a week before holiday break. I know I saw TFA before kids got out.

It wasn't the exact same and I saw a few things report for the specific days it was different - or at least some schools had out