Space Shuttle Launch..staying at POP

Ray -- have you thought to look at Google Earth to see if you can get a better bearing on everything's "true" direction? Not sure how a compass feature would work on that, but it's sure to be a lot more accurate re: scale and relative direction within Disney than the cartoonesque maps.

Thank you, Carrie. I just downloaded the Google Earth and this thing is amazing. I never knew how do this or that I could even do this before.

It looks like the Space Shuttle Discovery Launch is just a bit North of due East. Or ENE. So I can look a little to the left of East when I am Pop Century.

Sandy Mouse said:
Sadly, I won't be there until March, but I looked at a map for those of you who will be there. Titusville is just about east northeast of Pop Century. If you can back away from trees (get to the western-most part of a parking lot) or on the fourth floor you should have a good view.

Thank you, Sandy. That is what I saw on the Google Earth.

I was thinking of maybe going back on the Pop Century bridge on the lake and watching the launch. Their is a slight rise in the bridge and I will look back at the Pop Century Resort which is East.

I recall since watching the Space Shuttle Launch near and at Epcot that the height that I am standing and the distance to the Space Shuttle Launch site is so long that as long as I have a clear space in front of me and a clear night, I should be fine.

It's funny, I was thanking of a triangle in my mind with the height of me compared to the distance in miles to the launch site.

No wonder it took almost a minute to see the space shuttle appear after seeing the bright light from the actual shuttle launch. I guess the curvature of the earth has something to do with it, too.

But, as you said, I hope to stay back away from any trees and I hope that I will be back far enough from the Pop Buildings, too.

I'll scope out different places when I get down there.

Thank you everyone for your input.

Anyone have any photos?
 
I am getting so excited about my trip and the possibility of seeing another night Space Shuttle Discovery Launch at WDW.

If you are interested in seeing a video made by NASA of a previous Space Shuttle Discovery Night Launch, the Space shuttle Discovery on STS-128 blasts off just before midnight on Friday, Aug. 28, 2009 from Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Fla. on a 13-day mission to the international space station.check out the link below.

www.orlandosentinel.com/videobeta/84fc0edc-86ff-4cce-84cf-b234d4efd1b7/News/Space-shuttle-Discovery-lifts-off-on-STS-128-

And for the most current Space Shuttle Launch Updates at SpaceFlightNow, check out the link below. You never know if the launch might be cancelled again. Plus it is just a good site.

http://http://www.spaceflightnow.com
 
Wow, thanks for all the great info! Hopefully the launch will happen during my trip. Now we pray for good weather and a night launch the week of November 28-December 4!
 
Hello, Polydweller. Thank you for the update.

As long as I stay at WDW, whatever hours or days will be fine with me.

I guess the time gets earlier with each day later for the launch is scheduled.

Have you been to a Space Shuttle Launch?

Do you know what the people at Kennedy Space Center do when they have sold tickets for the original date and then the dates change.

I imagine if you lived nearby it wouldn't be a problem as long as it didn't interfere with work or family.

But what about those that bought tickets that live out of state?

Do you know if those people that bought tickets and live out of state and can no longer attend the launch just stuck with the tickets or is there a clearing house where these unused ticket can be sold to people that can use them?


I was just curious.

They're free to do whatever they want with the tickets- keep them, sell them or give them to someone who can make it. I always see tickets on Ebay.


BTW, if anyone is planning to drive to Titusville to watch the launch, get there early to find parking and a spot to watch the launch and expect hours, I really mean HOURS, to get out of that town after it's done. I went to Titusville last May to watch STS- 132. It took us almost 3 hours to get to the expressway entrance. I don't think it matters if its a day or night launch, just the fact that we are down to the final launches, everyone is coming out to see them.
 
Wow, thanks for all the great info! Hopefully the launch will happen during my trip. Now we pray for good weather and a night launch the week of November 28-December 4!


Hello, PLibster. Me, too. I hope to see you there.

If you are or anyone else is interested, I have set up a DIS Meet for this in the DIS Meet forums.



They're free to do whatever they want with the tickets- keep them, sell them or give them to someone who can make it. I always see tickets on Ebay.

Thank you for the information, mdb78.

BTW, it took us almost 3 hours to get to the expressway entrance. I don't think it matters if its a day or night launch, just the fact that we are down to the final launches, everyone is coming out to see them.

I know, that is what everyone says and that is why I wanted a Kennedy Space Center ticket so at least I would have a guaranteed place to watch the launch and not worry about finding another place. I know that the traffic will be terrible.

After this launch there will only be one more.

And everyone in the world will be wanting to get as close as possible to see this historic event.
 
I have heard now earliest possible launch is Dec 3rd, at 2 sometime in the morning. UG! This is supposedly the last launch window for the year.....didn't see how long it lasts, but they need to get Discovery up there!!
 
If you have the chance to see it, get up and watch! They are amazing - especially when dark out. I'll never forget going a night launch when I was a kid.
 
Well, if it goes off while we're at the Poly, DGrD(7) and I will be on the beach to watch - I will drag her out of bed!!:thumbsup2 Or I'll just put her to sleep on a lounger after MVMCP.
DS and I got invited in to watch STS93 night launch back in '99. It scrubbed twice (first night at T:07 seconds!!) - so it took us 3 times going out to watch the launch - every time was amazing!
Another time DNeph and I were at Star Wars Weekend and watched an afternoon launch from behind the Jedi Training Academy stage (looking out of the park). When I was a teen working in Ft. Lauderdale, I remember we all used to go up to the rooftop parking lot at work to watch night launches.
I have all my fingers and toes crossed that I may be able to share this with my DGrD before they stop the launches.
DIS meet on the Poly Beach 2 AM on Dec 3rd.:banana::banana:- bring coffee!!
 
I guess we have a new tenative date for early Friday morning on December 3, 2001 at 2:51:59 A.M. EST.

Again, I will have been up late the night before at M.V.M.C.P. past midnight.
Work to repair the shuttle Discovery's external tank is going well, but more time is needed to complete an engineering review and to develop the necessary flight rationale, the justification for launching with a repaired tank after unexpected damage. As a result, NASA announced Thursday, the flight will remain on hold until at least Dec. 3, four days after the opening of a short end-of-year launch window.

If Discovery is eventually cleared for launch, countdown clocks would begin ticking around 1 a.m. on Nov. 30, setting up a launch attempt at 2:51:59 a.m. EST on Dec. 3. But officials cautioned that's a "no-earlier-than" launch target and if additional tests are needed, or if unexpected problems develop, the 133rd shuttle mission will remain on hold.

The next shuttle launch window closes Dec. 6. If mission managers give up the possibility of an additional day in orbit, a launch on Dec. 7 would be possible. The next confirmed shuttle launch window opens at the end of February. But NASA managers are examining other possibilities in the mid-December timeframe, sources say, if Discovery misses the next window.

Trying to get off on its 39th and final mission, Discovery was grounded Nov. 5 when sensors detected a major gaseous hydrogen leak near a 7-inch vent line quick-disconnect fitting on the side of the ship's external tank. After the countdown was called off, engineers discovered a large crack in the tank's foam insulation near the top of the ribbed intertank section that separates the hydrogen and oxygen tanks.

At that time, launch was put on hold, delayed until at least Nov. 30, the opening of the next available launch window.

When the damaged insulation was cut away, two 9-inch cracks were found in an underlying aluminum-lithium alloy stringer, or rib, making up the intertank section. After additional foam was removed, two more cracks were found on an adjacent stringer. Such cracks are not unusual, possibly the result of a switch to the lightweight, but more brittle, aluminum-lithium alloy used in the current generation of external tanks.

But the cracks in Discovery's tank were the first to be seen at the launch pad, the apparent result of thermal stresses caused by exposure to supercold propellants.

Engineers currently are splicing in replacement stringer sections and so-called "doublers" to add additional strength. When that work is finished, fresh foam will be sprayed on and sanded to blend in with surrounding insulation.

In parallel, engineers are using high-tech scanners to assess the health of other foam-covered stringers on the side of the tank facing the shuttle to make sure there are no as-yet-unseen defects that could lead to structural problems or the release of foam debris during ascent.

The team already has replaced the leaking hydrogen vent line quick-disconnect fitting with hardware that fits together with a better alignment. Leak tests using helium have been carried out and no problems were detected. With the resolution of the alignment problem in the original hardware, engineers are confident the ground umbilical carrier plate, or GUCP, quick-disconnect fitting will work normally whenever Discovery is refueled for another launch attempt.

Another nagging problem also has been resolved. Before the hydrogen leak grounded Discovery Nov. 5, a subtle electrical glitch involving a main engine controller triggered an earlier delay. With the shuttle grounded by the hydrogen leak, a suspect circuit breaker panel in the ship's cockpit was replaced and investigators confirmed the electrical problem was due to contamination in a specific breaker.

But the repair work is just one part of the equation. Engineers must develop a solid flight rationale showing the external tank crack problem is fully understood. A detailed structural analysis is underway to make sure the repaired tank can withstand the normal loads, or forces, experienced during fueling, launch and the climb to space.

Another concern is the potential for foam insulation to break away from the repaired area of the cracks, or similar areas, that could hit the shuttle's heat shield during the early stages of ascent when impact damage can be most severe. Other issues include proving that any fresh cracks that might form when the tank is loaded with propellants are seen before launch and if they are not, that they will not grow or compromise the structural integrity of the tank during ascent.

Finally, managers and engineers are discussing whether to carry out a fueling test to make sure Discovery's tank will not suffer additional damage when exposed to cryogenic conditions. If a fueling test is added, sources said, the countdown could still start as early as Nov. 30, but launch likely would slip to Dec. 5 to accommodate a 48-hour "scrub turnaround."

Bill Gersteinmaier, director of space operations at NASA headquarters, and John Shannon, shuttle program manager at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, had planned to brief reporters on the status of Discovery's launch processing Monday.

But during a program requirements control board meeting Thursday, it because clear more time was needed to assess the crack repair work; to make sure no other cracks are present; and to develop the necessary flight rationale. The news briefing now is off until Nov. 29, when an official decision is expected to be announced.

The primary goals of Discovery's mission are to deliver a storage module loaded with equipment and supplies to the International Space Station, along with a spare set of radiators for its external cooling system.
Assuming an on-time launch Dec. 3, Discovery would dock with the space station around 11 p.m. on Dec. 4. The first of two spacewalks would begin around 8:45 p.m. on Dec. 6 with the second following around 8:15 p.m. on Dec. 8. Undocking would be targeted for just before 6 p.m. on Saturday, Dec. 11, setting up a landing back at the Kennedy Space Center around 9:55 p.m. on Monday, Dec. 13.
 
I leave Disney on the 2nd but I guess I'll extend my trip and head to the coast for a night...if it doesn't get scrubbed again. At least now I would be closer.
 
Oh no,I don't arrive until around 11:30 PM on December 3!

I will be at WDW for the entire "window",so I just need ONE more reschedule!

Come on NASA-work with me here!;):)
 
Ray, call it fate, or whatever, but the times are almost similar. So please, unless you have FACTS, please don't be picking on people. some of us are local, and it's on the news all the time here.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts133/

Oh my, bouncycat, I am not picking on people and I would never pick on people, nor would I pick on you.

I don't really understand what you are saying about the times are almost similar, or what you are saying about do I have facts, or what you are saying that I am picking on people.

I like to read various articles and one of the websites is from the one from below which is what I quoted from on the previous post in this thread, but the link didn't show up for some reason.

I just posted the article in quotes in the earlier post so others wouldn't have to click on the link below.

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts133/101118delay/

I like to visit many other links on the internet such as the same one you listed below.

I have always been fascinated with the space program and everything in history about space adventure and what may happen in the future for space exploration.

http://www.nasa.gov/home/index.html

There isn't much on the TV here in Atlanta on CNN or Fox or any of the local TV stations in Georgia where I am from, and that is why I like reading all that I can on the internet at the two above web sites.

And since the original poster of this thread posted first, and was also staying at Pop Century Resort, like me, I was just trying to give him and everyone reading some information to look at incase they wanted to meet together.

Otherwise, I would have started my own thread about this here in this Resort Forum.

I had already started a thread on the DIS Meets forum about this with even more links and more information and photos.

My apologies to the original poster here and anyone else.

I truly did not mean to take over the original poster's thread.

Sincerely, Ray :(
 
Wow, thanks for all the great info! Hopefully the launch will happen during my trip. Now we pray for good weather and a night launch the week of November 28-December 4!

:yay:, we will be there around that time as well too!!
 
Oh my, bouncycat, I am not picking on people and I would never pick on people, nor would I pick on you.

I don't really understand what you are saying about the times are almost similar, or what you are saying about do I have facts, or what you are saying that I am picking on people.

I like to read various articles and one of the websites is from the one from below which is what I quoted from on the previous post in this thread, but the link didn't show up for some reason.

I just posted the article in quotes in the earlier post so others wouldn't have to click on the link below.

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts133/101118delay/

I like to visit many other links on the internet such as the same one you listed below.

I have always been fascinated with the space program and everything in history about space adventure and what may happen in the future for space exploration.

http://www.nasa.gov/home/index.html

There isn't much on the TV here in Atlanta on CNN or Fox or any of the local TV stations in Georgia where I am from, and that is why I like reading all that I can on the internet at the two above web sites.

And since the original poster of this thread posted first, and was also staying at Pop Century Resort, like me, I was just trying to give him and everyone reading some information to look at incase they wanted to meet together.

Otherwise, I would have started my own thread about this here in this Resort Forum.

I had already started a thread on the DIS Meets forum about this with even more links and more information and photos.

My apologies to the original poster here and anyone else.

I truly did not mean to take over the original poster's thread.

Sincerely, Ray :(

Sory Ray, I must have taken it wrong, I saw the 2001 date on that message, and thought I had saw wrong.....but it's all over the news here.....so I knew I wasn't wrong!! But the times being similar, the article you posted showed a launch time of 2:51 and some seconds....unless someone did a typo and it was supposed to be 2010 on the year, and they put 2001. That's where I thought you were picking on me. I'm sorry I took it wrong, I follow the shuttle program very closely, and watch all the launches. Shoot, some of my good friends work at the space center! So....no harm, no foul....back to regular updates!!!
 
Sory Ray, I must have taken it wrong, I saw the 2001 date on that message, and thought I had saw wrong.....but it's all over the news here.....so I knew I wasn't wrong!! But the times being similar, the article you posted showed a launch time of 2:51 and some seconds....unless someone did a typo and it was supposed to be 2010 on the year, and they put 2001. That's where I thought you were picking on me. I'm sorry I took it wrong, I follow the shuttle program very closely, and watch all the launches. Shoot, some of my good friends work at the space center! So....no harm, no foul....back to regular updates!!!
Thank you for taking the time to post your info!

It is awesome to have info from someone with Shuttle Launch experienece and so close to the Cape.:)

I have been tryin g to catch a Shuttle launch from WDW since 2003,but don't arrive until late PM December 3.

What,percentage wise,do you think is the chance that the date will be changed again?( I will be at WDW for the entire window except December 3.)Thanks.:)
 
I haven't heard of any percentage chances yet, of course the weather we won't know until about a week out at least. I think they have their big meeting tomorrow, to see if they're on schedule to launch on the 3rd. They're doing repairs on the pad that are usually done in the VAB....so who knows. The news said this morning that they're working around the clock on this to get this one up. I got a friend coming down on the 4th, and it would be nice for her to see a launch also. I'll try to keep everyone posted, most of my info I see on www.cfnews13.com which is local for Orlando, and they keep up with everything in this area. Hope all are having a good weekend!
 
WE stayed at Pop in Sept. and all we saw was the hot air balloons - beautiful but not the shuttle!:surfweb:
 



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