Something Madonna Said on the Oprah Show

[susy]

Sounds like Madonna has been reading the Satanic Bible. Read it before you flame me.

 

[poohandwendy]

I think if one of Madonnas children became seriously ill she would change her tune....

 

[Michelemouse]

Originally posted by luv2nascar
I guess she feels that way because she is so fortunate able to have all kinds of money, fame, kids, etc
tell that bunch of bull to some poor kid born into poverty, or abuse victim. It's your fault. Bull crap.
Only someone is is very blessed would feel that way. Things happen to us that are completely out of our control sometimes.
I do believe God allows things to happen to us for a reason we may not always understand the reason but I believe there is a reason.

I don't know...I certainly do not have the financial portfolio that Madonna has, yet I totally agree with her philosophy. I don't think it comes down to what you have, it's more about how you choose to see the world.

Actually, the comments she made were in reference to her study of the Kabbalah. She said that through her study she has learned that you must take responsibility for the bad as well as the good. She said that it's very easy to take ownership of the good things that happen to you, but many people make excuses for the bad things that happen. Of course there are things that happen to us that are beyond our control. She was just saying that if you behave/think in a positive way you attract more positive energy and vice versa. It's like the "glass half full or glass half empty" viewpoints. If you see your glass as half full you tend to be happier than if you see your glass as half empty.

 

[Michelemouse]

Originally posted by snoopy
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As far as karma and Madonna, I believe what others have already mentioned...<snip>...and 2) its how you react to life's ups and downs that really decides your fate.

But this is exactly what Madonna was saying. That you can choose to move on from bad things. Own them, deal with them and move on.

 

[MICKEY88]

I don't think Madonna was implying that you are responsible for everything,,,just the controllable things in your life..I think we all know people that will brag about the good things they have caused to happen in their lives, but then will blame everyone else for anything bad that happens in their lives..

yes their are some things that are beyond our control,, but a lot of things depend on our outlook on life, and choices we make..



when bad things happen , it's Ok to hurt..Ok to feel bad or sad,,

but how you handle things from there determines your future happiness,,if you let the bad thing consume you, it multiplies and has a negative affect on everything in your live...if instead you focus on the positives in your life,,force yourself to smile each day, work at finding reasons to be happy...you won't make the pain or sadness go away,,but you will lessen or minimize the pain..

goofy girl...I think the 'victim card in respect to not being able to receive''..was uncalled for and just wrong,,I've never experienced it but I can only imagine that it's one of the most emotionally painful experiences a person can have,,the most painful being that of losing a child...

 

[goofygirl]

Oh, and I love when these celebs finally have a baby, and go on and on about every detail of motherhood, like they're the only ones who have ever been thru it. PULLEEEZE!!!

Yeah, I don't care for that either. Can't they just say "Yeah, I had a baby, things are going good." and leave it at that?

It seems no matter what bad things a star has done, when they have a child its like they think they've been "reformed" and now they are goody 2 shoes. Kind of like the way some born again Christians act. Its annoying.

I do still agree with what Madonna said though.

 

[goofygirl]

gg - I think what you said is the most insensitive, ignorant thing I have heard in a long time. Unless you have been through infertility or abuse or living with a preventable disease, you have NO idea the pain that is caused.

THIS is a very good example of playing the "victim card"- cryin' the blues and using the "you never walked in my shoes" cliche and lashing out at others instead of moving on with your life. Not very positive or productive. As Dr Phil would ask "How is this working for you?"

And also, there's worse things in life than infertility. Infertilty never killed anybody or disfigured anybody like some other serious illnesses. Can't you see it that way?

snoopy- I am not playing any cards, I'm just telling it like it is.

 

[snoopy]

GG, telling it like it is for WHOM?

I can't speak for noel or any other woman/couple who have experienced infertility, but I'd venture to guess its every bit as painful for her as a lingering illness might be for you.

And yes, you are playing your "childless by choice - parents are stupid" card. I'm quite familiar with your pattern and agenda by now. You are discounting the real pain that Noel feels because YOU personally cannot sympathize with her. Not unlike a celebrity who spouts off about people taking responsibility for the bad things that happen to them in life when all they personally know is wealth and privilege and very little that the rest of the world would consider "bad".

In other words, when you don't know what you are talking about, its probably better to keep your mouth shut.

 

[noel]

I don't believe I was lashing out at anyone or crying the blues.
Again, just stating the facts on why I don't believe that I am personally responsible for the medical reasons that cause my infertility.

And also, there's worse things in life than infertility. Infertilty never killed anybody or disfigured anybody like some other serious illnesses. Can't you see it that way?

You're right, my infertility has not killed me and I agree there are worse things in life and I have dozens of other things I've been blessed with in my life. It's taken me several years to get to this point but I do know that my life will go on - whether I'm a mother or not.

However, you can spare me your advice when it come to trying to tell me the ins and outs of understanding infertility.

Don't tell me how to feel about anything. You don't know me and obviously don't give a rip what I think. But especially don't tell people to see it your way when it comes to the heartache of not being able to experience the miracle of a life growing inside you.
It's something we all know you don't want.

And incidentally, I think is a fantastic choice for you.

And finally, don't tell me to GET OVER IT when it's something you don't understand. And I guess if pissing me off was your intention you got your wish.

Again, if my intent was to ask for sympathy, prayers & pixie dust I'd have started a new thread asking for it.

Why I'm attempting to vailidate my feelings here is beyond me.

 

[Octoberbride03]

goofygirl: I think you should quit while you're behind.

And also, there's worse things in life than infertility. Infertilty never killed anybody

There are women every year who commit suicide because they can't concieve or carry a baby to term. So,yes, infertility DID kill them. Congrats, on being stronger than they were. But don't say stuff about topics you know nothing about.

 

[charabby]

Quotes from above:

"Oh, and I love when these celebs finally have a baby, and go on and on about every detail of motherhood, like they're the only ones who have ever been thru it. PULLEEEZE!!!
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Yeah, I don't care for that either. Can't they just say "Yeah, I had a baby, things are going good." and leave it at that?"

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Actually, I know a lot of people personally who act like that - I don't think celebreties have cornered the market on obsession with their new babies. It's very common among the general population. It's just that most of us don't have occasion to be interviewed on national televsion.


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[hipporina]

I hate to jump into a debate here, but gg you are completely wrong about this intertility stuff. My dh and I have been unable to conceive for almost 4 years, and the doctors can't figure out why. We have adopted 2 wonderful children, but the pain of infertility is still there and infertility hurts more than you could possibly imagine.

And also, there's worse things in life than infertility. Infertilty never killed anybody or disfigured anybody like some other serious illnesses. Can't you see it that way?

This statement is appaling to me. In dealing with infertility, you deal with essentially the "death" of any children that you might have. It IS a LOSS! It is a loss of the basic ability to reproduce and to create a family born out of you and your spouse's love for each other. In fact, infertility is considered a disability because it prevents you from engaging in a normal life activity. I know there are things worse than infertility, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt any less. The fact that it might be worse to be raped and brutally murdered than it would be to die from cancer at 27 doesn't make the cancer patient suffer any less. Everyone has a right to their own opinion about things, but there is no need to be insensitive and belittle others in pain. Please take some time to consider how your words might affect comeone else.

I am a Christian and I believe that God is in charge of my life, the good and the "bad". I have an incredible DH and I accept that he is a gift from God. I didn't bring him to me by Karma or any crap like that. I also accept that there is a reason for our infertility, in my case right now that happens to be my adopted sons. I know that I would not have them, and they would not have a family, if my DH and I had not dealt with the pain of infertility. I still long for a baby (my kids were 3 and 7 when we got them) and the experience of pregnancy and giving birth to child. I am very thankful for my boys and the experiences that I have had with adopting them, but even that does not erace the hurt. Just as remarrying after your spouses death would not erase the hurt of losing them.

The idea that people are responsible for everything bad that happens to them is absurd. My grandmother had colon cancer, did she bring that upon herself? Its just crazy. In fact, the falacy of that idea is one of the major themes in the book of Job in the Bible. Anyway, if that is your belief, that is fine, but please don't bash others for hurting over something they have no control over.

 

[wdwoldtimer]

Madonna the philosopher....

 

[MICKEY88]

It seems no matter what bad things a star has done, when they have a child its like they think they've been "reformed" and now they are goody 2 shoes. Kind of like the way some born again Christians act. Its annoying.

the reality is,,having a child is a major change in anyone's life..for many people there is a great deal of maturing,, and they become better people, abandoning wreckless lifestyles..,,




I don't agree with the comments that celebrities can't relate to the average person's life,, most celebrities were average people at one time..

and for the comments that celebrities shouldn't talk about their children etc.....people want to know about the private lives of celebrities...that's why the tabloids and talk shows are mega million dollar industries..

if a celebrity talks about their children or personal life some people wish they would shut up..if they don't talk about such things..then some people thing they are snobs and feel they are too good to talk about their personal lives....


so if you were a celebrity ..which would you do...whatever you choose would please some people and annoy some people..it's a no win situation..

 

[goofygirl]

And yes, you are playing your "childless by choice - parents are stupid" card

No I am not. And by the way the term is "childFREE by choice."

I did not bring up my childfree lifestyle here- YOU did. And it has nothing to do with this topic. The topic is Madonna's philosophy on life, and if you agree or disagree. And I simply gave my 2 cents. Its not that I am trying to impose a "hidden agenda", as you and some others tend to believe. I simply answered the question.

I only used the infertility example because someone else used it as an example.

As for the women who killed themselves because they could not have children, they should of taken the responsiblity to get therapy when they felt suicidal.

The result for me giving my 2 cents on the topic was a few putting ME down and then giving the weak argument- the "you don't know what your talking about and you should keep you mouth shut" comeback- putting the blame for one's pain on ME, where it does not belong.

Again, I say the actual pain/condition may not be your fault, but how you react is up to you. If you are crying and whining and wallowing in sorrows, the blame for that rests solely on YOUR shoulders, not mine, nor anyone elses'.

I am not get going to get into a debate here or answer any personal attacks (which are probably coming soon, they always do.) Any comments directed at me , I will not answer. The topic is Madonna's philosophy, not my childfree life or infertility.

 

[Lanshark]

Typically Madonna's philosophy is something I want to be 180 degrees away from. She's had more transfigurations then all of the X-Men combined. She's probably had all of them too.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Lanshark you are bad!

I don't know anything about the Kabbalah, but I think that this is an interesting debate. Or atleast the subject matter has the potential to be.

In theory it is great. Like that old saying, "if life gives you lemmons make lemonade". it's hard to transcend bad experiences though, or atleast it takes some time. We are only human, and the mind can know one thing but the heart won't accept it.

I read Buddhist philosophy to try to keep some balance in my life. It's hard to live it on a daily basis though. Sometimes thinking for awhile, and then reacting to a problem later helps. It's interesting to read what others think though....

 

[wdwoldtimer]

Originally posted by Lanshark
Typically Madonna's philosophy is something I want to be 180 degrees away from. She's had more transfigurations then all of the X-Men combined. She's probably had all of them too.

At least once....

And now she's going after a military man. Who needs the support of Al Gore when Wesley Clark has the full endorsement of Madonna??!?

Philosopher, political activist...can't wait to see what she'll dabble in next.

 

[snoopy]

The result for me giving my 2 cents on the topic was a few putting ME down and then giving the weak argument- the "you don't know what your talking about and you should keep you mouth shut" comeback

But when you make statements like these:

As for the women who killed themselves because they could not have children, they should of taken the responsiblity to get therapy when they felt suicidal.

OR

And also, there's worse things in life than infertility. Infertilty never killed anybody or disfigured anybody like some other serious illnesses.

Its my opinion that you DON'T know what you are talking about, and yes, you should keep your mouth shut. We've heard your "people who can't have kids should just adopt and quit their whining" argument so many times before, GG, there is no sense in going down that road yet again. Besides the fact, its inappropriate and not at all gracious, considering there are women here in very real pain telling you how its been a real hardship for them emotionally. Its not necessary to tell us again how stupid you think women are for being so upset over a little thing like infertility.

And on the subject of Madonna and Gen. Wesley Clark, I gotta say I'm uncomfortable standing behind a politician who has time to hang out with Madonna. It just seems like he ought to have some more important people to see, like his affiliation with Madonna is not exactly swaying me to his side.

 

[Deb in IA]

Madonna's philosophy on life may be fine for her.

I don't think it comes in "one size fits all", though.