Smoking on Verandahs????

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

haha
I saw the sign on our first cruise with a verandah- and I thought it was odd to provide a built in metal ashtray with a sign right there requesting you don't use it. LOL
It was like please don't smoke out here- but we know you're gonna so here's an ashtray. LOL

 

[cseca]

I think here's the sign everyone was talking about... see point #3

From Magic

I sincerely hope that if we get a smoking neighbor they would be willing to work out a schedule so we can all use the verandah.
And hopefully not so bad that we could smell it inside our room, that would be disastrous as I am allergic to it.

 

[drparoo]

Ah, yes, the "may wish to consider" phrase. In other words, "we're trying to make as few people angry as possible by suggesting the possibility of but by no means insisting on going elsewhere to smoke."

 

[KingRichard]

So a cruise ship can be subject to 60-80mph or more winds and rain sideways and yet smoke gets into the room?

 

[lawone]

We booked a verandah b/c I smoke. If you end up next to me just please talk to me. I wouldn't want to ruin your vacation or make a child sick. We are all human and we can surely work something out.

 

[drparoo]

So a cruise ship can be subject to 60-80mph or more winds and rain sideways and yet smoke gets into the room?

I've often been surprised at how protected and non-windy the verandahs are on most days even at sea. So yes, I think the smoke can certainly drift through the verandah's walls to the one right next to it. I doubt it would be a problem from the verandah BELOW yours, though.

 

[debg]

I was surprised at the sign on the verandah next to the ashtray last week and now wish that I had taken a picture of it. It said basically in order to be considerate of fellow passengers and to allow everyone to enjoy their verandahs please use the designated smoking areas elsewhere on the ship. We were very lucky this trip and never smelled smoke so we enjoyed the verandah quite a bit. I have been in someone else's verandah room and smelled the smoke from the next stateroom when I was inside the room.

You're right - there is such a sign. It's tricky though - basically says what the reader wants it to say. At least last November it did. DCL used the word *may*... as in "may want to smoke elsewhere". When I read that, I take it as DCL gently asking smokers to not smoke on the verandah. But my funny story from our recent back-to-back presented the exact opposite. On both cruises, on the first afternoon while sitting on my verandah when we were still at the terminal, I heard the husbands call their wives out to the balcony to read them the sign - that smokers *MAY* wish - accenting the *may*, meaning they didn't *have* to go elsewhere. Cracked me up as it was obvious that the wives had told their husbands they could not smoke on the verandahs and the husbands were reading the signs as permission to smoke out there.

Anyway, both weeks I had a cigar smoker on the next-door verandah, but at least they didn't do it a lot.

debg

 

[WebmasterPete]

As a smoker, I've always felt that my right to smoke does not supersede your right to breathe clean air. I think many smokers feel the same way - we don't want to make anyone else uncomfortable with our smoking. I know if someone next to our stateroom asked us not to smoke on the balcony, I would gladly comply. I know not everyone would, but I think you would be surprised with how many smokers do try to be considerate.

Pete

 

[KSDisneyDad]

I am allergic to cigarette smoke ... not to the extent of the OP child (I have him added to my prayers) and the smokers on the closed environment of the Magic did get to me.

But, I knew the risks when I booked the cruise. It is a risk, as in everything in life

I wrote I letter to DCL about the wisdom of allowing smokers to even smoke on deck 4 when deck 4 was designated the walker/jogger deck (is that an oxymoron or what? Here is your healthy activity but we are allowing this unhealthy activity to occur during this 1/3 or your lap). I ended up not being able to jog and I despise treadmills with a passion ... I walked stairs for exercise during the wee hours.

We do book connecting Verandah cabins for the primary reason that I am claustrophobic -- we pray that we do not end up next to smokers so we can enjoy our staterooms as intended. If not -- She is big ship.

Just FYI- I think they've addressed this issue you bring up (which is a good one, btw) From what I've read now the smoking is only allowed on deck 4 from 6pm to 6am or something like that- the rest of the time it's not allowed for the exact reason you just brought up.

On each day's Navigator and on signs, DCL states that smoking is not allowed on Deck 4 Starboard from 6:00 am to 6:00 pm.

That said, DCL doesn't seem to enforce it that well.

 

[CandyMandy]

At least one line tried going non-smoking and found it didn't work.

The issue in discussion isn't banning smoking completely, it's why Disney still allows it on verandahs (while banning that at their lands resort, go figure...).

And banning it on cruise ship verandahs doesn't necessarly hurt sales. Celebrity banned smoking on verandahs years ago and is doing just fine, thank you -albeit that may have something to do with the fact their client base skews upscale. Smoking rates are tied closely to socioeconomic status (link to proof below), so it is easier for firms that target the more affluent to tighten their smoking policies. Which may also explain why years ago Carnival tried having a completely non-smoking ship (the Paradise) but ended that experiment due to slow sales.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105550/among-americans-smoking-decreases-income-increases.aspx

 

[justmestace]

The issue in discussion isn't banning smoking completely, it's why Disney still allows it on verandahs (while banning that at their lands resort, go figure...).

And banning it on cruise ship verandahs doesn't necessarly hurt sales. Celebrity banned smoking on verandahs years ago and is doing just fine, thank you -albeit that may have something to do with the fact their client base skews upscale. Smoking rates are tied closely to socioeconomic status (link to proof below), so it is easier for firms that target the more affluent to tighten their smoking policies. Which may also explain why years ago Carnival tried having a completely non-smoking ship (the Paradise) but ended that experiment due to slow sales.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105550/among-americans-smoking-decreases-income-increases.aspx

As if the "Smoker vs Non-Smoker" debate weren't bad enough, you've just tossed in a "Rich vs Poor".....or is it "White Collar vs Blue Collar"???

How insulting.

I have a feeling that particular study doesn't apply to people who can afford to cruise on Disney....especially in a verandah room.

 

[justmestace]

So a cruise ship can be subject to 60-80mph or more winds and rain sideways and yet smoke gets into the room?

I've often been surprised at how protected and non-windy the verandahs are on most days even at sea. So yes, I think the smoke can certainly drift through the verandah's walls to the one right next to it. I doubt it would be a problem from the verandah BELOW yours, though.

My husband claims that there is some sort of "vortex" created on the smaller verandahs (for example the standard Cat 4's) and that the smoke just whirls around the balcony and doesn't go out. Not sure if this means it doesn't go to the next-door neighbor's verandah or not.....but that little theory of his gives him plenty of ammunition to use against ME. He's a non-smoker.

 

[cseca]

As a nonsmoker I really appreciate all of you smokers who are willing to work with us so we can coexist happily...

If we are to get a smoker next to our verandah, I hope it's one of you... although I probably won't say much because I'm too much of a chicken...

 

[HappyontheLake]

The issue in discussion isn't banning smoking completely, it's why Disney still allows it on verandahs (while banning that at their lands resort, go figure...).

Bahamian flagged ship -- US land company following California and Florida laws. Big difference, and trust me the accountants and market researchers have number crunched what would happen if they completely banned smoking on the ship and the numbers don't add up.

And knowing that guest are not allowed to smoke on Deck 4 from 6am to 6pm I will get a CM to point that out to any smoking guests I see ... I have NO PROBLEM having people reminded of the rules that ensure health and safety.

 

[justmestace]

As a nonsmoker I really appreciate all of you smokers who are willing to work with us so we can coexist happily...

If we are to get a smoker next to our verandah, I hope it's one of you... although I probably won't say much because I'm too much of a chicken...

At least you aren't like the one person, who said one time on another smoking thread that she would spray Lysol at the person smoking on the verandah next to her!!

 

[hgon76]

I have a feeling that particular study doesn't apply to people who can afford to cruise on Disney....especially in a verandah room.

I though the same thing!! Since when is Disney cheap??? if so, I'm missing THOSE discounts!!

 

[CandyMandy]

the accountants and market researchers have number crunched what would happen if they completely banned smoking on the ship

Apparently, said "accountants" and "market researchers" don't read very well, because they are looking at the wrong issue. The question in discussion here is whether smoking should still be allowed on verhandas, not whether it should be completely banned ship wide.

But the ones who worked for Celebrity apparently can read and their "number crunching" told a completely different -- and profitable -- story.

As for the "rich vs. poor" nonsense, don't complain to me. Send the hate mail to Marriott for engaging in an "attack" on less affluent people by banning smoking at their properties.

 

[PHILCT]

My partner is a smoker, and very good about going to the designated areas when we stay at WDW resorts and the parks.

He is aware he can smoke on the veranda, but will gladly go to the designated areas for the times he smokes during the day, but I think he would like to smoke outside on the veranda after like midnight before he retires to bed if the neighbors don't reject that option.

Question: Do people sleep with their patio door to the veranda open, or is it always closed? I wouldn't want smoke coming into anyone else's room, or even ours.

Thanks, Phil

 

[ariel68]

We booked a verandah b/c I smoke. If you end up next to me just please talk to me. I wouldn't want to ruin your vacation or make a child sick. We are all human and we can surely work something out.

I, too am a smoker who is very respectful of non smokers. We dont smoke in our home or other peoples homes (whether they smoke or not), near children, etc.

We also (spent hundreds of dollars more and) booked a verandah, and it is quite likely that I will be using it early in the morning and late at night, as we dont intend to spend any time in our cabin during the day. I only ask that if you happen to have the staterooms adjacent to mine (10570 on March 31st sailing) that you would kindly advise me so I can be sure to offer you the same respect I offer to others. Please, if I do happen to be smoking in designated areas, I would also appreciate the courtesy of not having to deal with the condescending looks, and the critical glares. Smokers do tend to get flamed here quite regularly (pardon the pun), and mostly, just for following rules set out by DCL.

I would never want to see anyones health put in jeopardy, at the hands of another...whether it is allergies due to the food they eat, second hand smoke, and for me, it just happens to be the "gallons" of perfumes, etc that some people tend to wear, to which I am severely allergic. We all need to be considerate have a mutual respect for one another and that certainly shouldnt end at our Cruise...

 

[justmestace]

My partner is a smoker, and very good about going to the designated areas when we stay at WDW resorts and the parks.

He is aware he can smoke on the veranda, but will gladly go to the designated areas for the times he smokes during the day, but I think he would like to smoke outside on the veranda after like midnight before he retires to bed if the neighbors don't reject that option.

Question: Do people sleep with their patio door to the veranda open, or is it always closed? I wouldn't want smoke coming into anyone else's room, or even ours.

Thanks, Phil

The cruise lines (Disney included) ask that people NOT leave the door open. But that's another one of those little "rules" (suggestions?) that people continually ignore.
The Carnival ship I just got off of had a sign in the room stating that the A/C in the room would automatically turn off when the verandah door is open.....an incentive for people to not leave the door open all night.