slo’s MONDAY poll - Corned Beef & Cabbage

[Jangles]

No, when a person comes on a thread (that didn't actually mention Ireland at all, let's be clear) and YELLS at the OP, it is not liked.

It must have been just a coincidence that the question was asked so close to Saint Patrick’s Day.

 

[SirDuff]

Perhaps we overlook the fact that St Patrick is the patron saint of Ireland and Ireland’s national apostle, credited with bringing Christianity to Ireland. Irish people are entitled to defend the culture and traditions surrounding Him surely and fight to defend the way His death is mourned/celebrated? He is venerated as a Saint in many faiths, not just the Catholic Church. So much of the way Irish ‘history’ and culture is celebrated is based on false narratives and stereotypes.
The US have Mary of the Immaculate Conception as Patron Saint. When and how do you celebrate that and what do you eat? MacDonalds? (Asked tongue in cheek).
Corned beef in the U.K. has two guises. True spiced beef, made with beef brisket, spices, sugar and saltpetre, marinated for 2 weeks and then gently cooked and pressed, and stuff that comes in a rectangular/trapezoidal tin with a key to open, which is probably made of all sorts of nasties (a bit like spam).

I grew up reading "Swallows and Amazons" and the kids were always eating this (though they pretended it was pemmican).

 

[SirDuff]

It must have been just a coincidence that the question was asked so close to Saint Patrick’s Day.

Definitely

The point still stands though - coming in and yelling as her first post in the thread was hardly going to encourage people in the thread to want to learn from Tink.

 

[Jangles]

I grew up reading "Swallows and Amazons"

Me too. In fact my parents’ parenting method appeared to be ‘Better drowned than duffers, if not duffers won’t drown’.
The capital letters interpretation here is different I think. ‘Here’ it is just added for emphasis. If we are shouting we use an exclamation mark.

 

[TippyThomas]

This is getting comical at this point.

 

[SirDuff]

and here it comes, yet more false narratives IRELAND IS NOT ENGLAND!!!

Swallows and Amazons
Swallows and Amazons is a children's adventure novel by English author Arthur Ransome and first published on 21 July 1930 by Jonathan Cape. Set in the summer of 1929 in the Lake District, England

Ireland in the 1930's
Ireland in the early twentieth century was a poor country. The levels of poverty in many isolated rural areas were exceptional by western standards. In 1930, the total population was just under three million. The great majority of the people were living in the countryside, or in country towns and villages. Dublin, the capital city, had a maximum population of about half a million people.

WHAT? Who knew?

So, because someone mentioned it in relation to one country, I cannot make a link to something that happened (with the same product) in another country? The PP's comment brought me back to my childhood reading, so I posted about it. Same way I posted about red cabbage, mentioning my Polish heritage when another poster brought it up in relation to her Russian heritage. Even though...shocker I know...Poland is not Russia.

What false narrative was I promoting in either post?

Wow, you really are out to try to a jerk this week, aren't you?

 

[Jangles]

Maybe we should focus on the cabbage? Does anyone honestly cook and enjoy eating plain boiled cabbage, white, green or red? No cheating by adding any seasonings… just plain boiled cabbage. The smell…, wasn’t there once a cabbage diet trend?

 

[Disneylover99]

Maybe we should focus on the cabbage? Does anyone honestly cook and enjoy eating plain boiled cabbage, white, green or red? No cheating by adding any seasonings… just plain boiled cabbage. The smell…, wasn’t there once a cabbage diet trend?

Oh yeah, that was my go to diet back in the 80’s.

 

[SirDuff]

Maybe we should focus on the cabbage? Does anyone honestly cook and enjoy eating plain boiled cabbage, white, green or red? No cheating by adding any seasonings… just plain boiled cabbage. The smell…, wasn’t there once a cabbage diet trend?

Plain boiled red cabbage becomes plain boiled blue cabbage if made with no additives (learned this the hard way). I do enjoy red cabbage cooked with vinegar and some black peppercorns.

 

[Jangles]

I do enjoy red cabbage cooked with vinegar and some black peppercorns.

You cheated.

 

[mjkacmom]

Perhaps we overlook the fact that St Patrick is the patron saint of Ireland and Ireland’s national apostle, credited with bringing Christianity to Ireland. Irish people are entitled to defend the culture and traditions surrounding Him surely and fight to defend the way His death is mourned/celebrated? He is venerated as a Saint in many faiths, not just the Catholic Church. So much of the way Irish ‘history’ and culture is celebrated is based on false narratives and stereotypes.
The US have Mary of the Immaculate Conception as Patron Saint. When and how do you celebrate that and what do you eat? MacDonalds? (Asked tongue in cheek).
Corned beef in the U.K. has two guises. True spiced beef, made with beef brisket, spices, sugar and saltpetre, marinated for 2 weeks and then gently cooked and pressed, and stuff that comes in a rectangular/trapezoidal tin with a key to open, which is probably made of all sorts of nasties (a bit like spam).

And fortunately many Catholic leaders understand our love of corned beef on Saint Patrick’s day in the US and let us enjoy it on a Friday during lent. https://time.com/4705034/st-patricks-day-corned-beef-lent/

 

[SirDuff]

You cheated.

I did. So, to truthfully answer you question - no. I don't enjoy totally plain boiled cabbage.

Cheating again - I will also eat raw white cabbage plain (like what you'd use in coleslaw but before adding it to coleslaw).

 

[Jangles]

I did. So, to truthfully answer you question - no. I don't enjoy totally plain boiled cabbage.

Cheating again - I will also eat raw white cabbage plain (like what you'd use in coleslaw but before adding it to coleslaw).

I bet you broke all the rules in school.

 

[fly girl]

Yet when a person who is born in Ireland, lives in Ireland tries to correct the false narratives and stereotypes its not liked

It definitely is not that we don’t like it, it is100% in your approach.

When this all started last weekend we clearly said we understood your point, but explained our reasoning. You never responded. Then when this poll started, which didn’t even mention St. Patrick’s Day, you screamed at us.

It became futile. You refused to listen.

And for heavens sake, no one thought Lucky Charms was Irish.

I am glad you are passionate about your country. You should be proud. You may not agree, but honestly no one here is trying to disrespect you or your country.

IDK what else we can do.

And for the record, I have never seen Bacon Joint or Irish Bacon in our grocery stores. I even Googled it to see if I could buy some near me at a butcher - nope. That cut of meat is not something readily sold here.

 

[Moliphino]

I think it is interesting that true corned beef was a luxury item and the vast majority of Irish people in the 19th century couldn’t afford to eat it. It seems odd that in honouring Saint Patrick and celebrating Irish heritage, Americans feast on something that their emigrating ancestors would never have eaten in Ireland.

Because when our ancestors made it to the US, the corned beef was cheap and they couldn't get the cut of meat they used to get in Ireland, so that became the tradition here. We continue to celebrate as our immigrant ancestors did.

 

[Jangles]

Because when our ancestors made it to the US, the corned beef was cheap and they couldn't get the cut of meat they used to get in Ireland, so that became the tradition here. We continue to celebrate as our immigrant ancestors did.

I acknowledge that, but when remembering one’s Irish heritage, why not remember actual Irish culture, history and heritage, rather than one’s more recent history, particularly a tradition which only came about because of lack of choice? Clearly a marketing opportunity is being missed by US butchers not selling salted, smoked bacon joints so that Irish-Americans can celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day in an historically accurate way. Eat and enjoy your corned beef, but acknowledge that it was forced upon immigrants and not what your great, great, great grandmother cooked to celebrate St Patrick’s Day.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

It is absolutely a longstanding tradition, though I associate it more with the Northeast, so it may be regional too. There are LOTS of people of Irish descent up there! I don't think anyone ever boils corned beef and root vegetables here in the south, but my grandmother was from Rhode Island so it was a staple in our house. She was not of Irish descent either, which is why I see it as regional.

I love corned beef and cabbage. I grew up eating it in New England as boiled dinner, which was as often made with a pork shoulder (smoked shoulder) as it was with corned beef. Unfortunately we can only buy "red" corned beef, not the "grey" that I grew up with (different corning process, I think, as well as aging) but I often buy a couple of corned beefs when it goes on sale around this time of year. I get the point cuts as they are cheaper, but prefer the flats (less fatty). I put the corned beef in a huge soup pot with water and the seasoning packet and let it simmer for several hours. For the last hour, I add potatoes, carrots, onions, and turnip (well, rutabaga actually, but in Maine/New England we call it turnip) and let it simmer for about another hour or so, until the veggies are cooked. For about the last 20 minutes or so I add cabbage. YUM. I can't wait to have boiled dinner this week, although I don't have any corned beef as of yet as I've been in New Orleans since Saturday (and MAN have we been eating well here!). Heading home tomorrow, so hopefully I'll score some corned beef on Thursday morning!

Born and bred in New England. Mom was Irish. DH and I were talking about this the other day, too. Growing up, we didn’t call it ’corned beef and cabbage’, we called it ‘boiled dinner’. And seems we had it a lot, not just on March 17th. I like it, but have to have lots of mustard on it, for flavor! We used to make it once a year ourselves, especially for FIL, but last year the meat wasn’t good (gross, actually), so we literally skipped it this year. All this talk about it has made me want it more, though, so maybe I’ll pick some up after the holiday if I can find a good cut of meat.

The US have Mary of the Immaculate Conception as Patron Saint. When and how do you celebrate that and what do you eat? MacDonalds? (Asked tongue in cheek).

Oh, please.

 

[Moliphino]

I acknowledge that, but when remembering one’s Irish heritage, why not remember actual Irish culture, history and heritage, rather than one’s more recent history, particularly a tradition which only came about because of lack of choice? Clearly a marketing opportunity is being missed by US butchers not selling salted, smoked bacon joints so that Irish-Americans can celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day in an historically accurate way. Eat and enjoy your corned beef, but acknowledge that it was forced upon immigrants and not what your great, great, great grandmother cooked to celebrate St Patrick’s Day.

Because we're continuing the tradition that has been passed down to us and we enjoy it. My Irish ancestors were probably excited to be able to get beef cheaply, as they couldn't in Ireland.

 

[Jangles]

My Irish ancestors were probably excited to be able to get beef cheaply, as they couldn't in Ireland.

There may be truth in this.

 

[mjkacmom]

Corned beef on Saint Patrick’s day is as prevalent as turkey on thanksgiving in some areas.