Should resale owners pay lower dues?

[DonMacGregor]

your link is blocked

Blame the board. You can find it with a Google search. Plenty of breakdowns on multiple sites.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Blame the board. You can find it with a Google search. Plenty of breakdowns on multiple sites.

I’ll bet you a dole whip (adult type) that members pay for MS.
Deal?

 

[DonMacGregor]

Think logically for a moment…. If members don’t pay for MS, who does?

Ok, I’m done with this. It’s explained in very clear terms up thread. Clearly you would rather argue an unsupported position rather than read the very clear explanation as to how MS is funded.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Ok, I’m done with this. It’s explained in very clear terms up thread. Clearly you would rather argue an unsupported position rather than read the very clear explanation as to how MS is funded.

Well I did try…. Sorry the link was dead.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Ok, I’m done with this. It’s explained in very clear terms up thread. Clearly you would rather argue an unsupported position rather than read the very clear explanation as to how MS is funded.

Could you possibly copy & paste? Or at least explain how MS is funded if not by dues?

I am open to being wrong (and buying the adult dole whip).

 

[DonMacGregor]

Could you possibly copy & paste? Or at least explain how MS is funded if not by dues?

I am open to being wrong (and buying the adult dole whip).

MS Services and the reservation systems and management services are paid as follows: (a) there is a $1 per member per year DVC Reservation Compenent Fee; (b) DVCM gets paid 12.5% of the annual budget (not including taxes and the 12.5% fee in the calculation), out of which it pays for any home resort reservation services and reservation systems; (c) breakage income for renting the resort rooms goes first to offset 2.5% of the annual budget (not including taxes), next to cover all the costs of member services that relate to reservations of non-home DVC Resorts and non-DVC resorts, plus 5% of those costs (a built in profit), and then the remainder goes to DVCM to do with as it pleases. Result: if DVC were to spend $100,000 on member services and reservation systems in a year or $10 million dollars, your dues would not vary one penney because none of the payment sources for such services vary according to actual cost. And the more breakage income that is made in a year, the more profit DVCM can make.

DVCM gets 12.5% of each dollar of annual dues paid, or .88¢ per point for SSR, which it uses exclusively for home resort reservation services and systems. No other funds from annual dues go to DVCM.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Ok, I’m done with this. It’s explained in very clear terms up thread. Clearly you would rather argue an unsupported position rather than read the very clear explanation as to how MS is funded.

I truly did not see the clear explanation. Perhaps you can repost? I’m on a phone so perhaps I don’t get everything the first time.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

DVCM gets 12.5% of each dollar of annual dues paid, or .88¢ per point for SSR, which it uses exclusively for home resort reservation services and systems. No there funds from annual dues go to DVCM.

I’m sorry. That seems to support my theory. What am I missing??

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Hitting the rack… will check back tomorrow.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I’m sorry. That seems to support my theory. What am I missing??

The point is the whites are paying MS to book the blue extras.

Your words.

The 12.5% pays for resort reservation systems and services. Do you consider the ability to reserve a villa to be a “blue extra”? Pretty sure white card holders get to reserve rooms too (with the limited exception of Riviera resale owners). If you don’t, then you’re right, you do have a bone to pick.

It has zero to do with “extras”, it has everything to do with exactly what it says it does: resort reservations. Everyone pays it, everyone gets to use it.

 

[Bearval]

Member Fees do not pay for any perks. They pay for the operation of the resort, and include:

1. Administration & Front Desk
2. Annual Audit
3. DVC Reservation Component (central reservations
4. Fees to the Division (Florida timeshare tax)
5. Housekeeping
6. Income Tax
7. Insurance
8. Legal
9. Maintenance
10. Management Fees
11. Member Activities (on resort property)
12. Security
13. Transportation
14. Utilities

Here are the annual budgets for each resort for this year, showing total revenue and total expenditures. No perks included:

2020 Annual Meeting Notice

The "perks" come out of the DVD's marketing budget. No dues assist in paying this.

 

[Sparky984]

What are they supposed to do? Track who is calling, the type of points they have, how long the call is and then report that? Who pays for the extra staffing and reporting costs? The white card holders since they want the lower dues? What if you’re booking using points from two contracts that use both direct and resale points? Is it split? Evenly or proportional to points used…or total points owned?

Can I request a refund if I don’t call? How much does an e-mail cost? What about chat?

Next up: who uses the pool more? Shouldn’t they pay for the entertainment?

After that we should figure out who is using Uber. They should get a parking lot maintenance discount and if using to the parks too, a transportation discount.

 

[Bearval]

What are they supposed to do? Track who is calling, the type of points they have, how long the call is and then report that? Who pays for the extra staffing and reporting costs? The white card holders since they want the lower dues? What if you’re booking using points from two contracts that use both direct and resale points? Is it split? Evenly or proportional to points used…or total points owned?

Can I request a refund if I don’t call? How much does an e-mail cost? What about chat?

Next up: who uses the pool more? Shouldn’t they pay for the entertainment?

After that we should figure out who is using Uber. They should get a parking lot maintenance discount and if using to the parks too, a transportation discount.

It would cost more to track than the actual service does so BOTH white and blue card dues would be even higher.

 

[CarolMN]

Yes, but booking the extras through MS are partially paid by whites. The cost of MS would be lower if the blues were not booking the extras through them.

MS is paid based on a set percentage of the annual budget. If MS costs go down, Disney just keeps the "saved" money. No benefit to members. See my post, #8 above.

 

[Drew729]

What are they supposed to do? Track who is calling, the type of points they have, how long the call is and then report that? Who pays for the extra staffing and reporting costs? The white card holders since they want the lower dues? What if you’re booking using points from two contracts that use both direct and resale points? Is it split? Evenly or proportional to points used…or total points owned?

Can I request a refund if I don’t call? How much does an e-mail cost? What about chat?

Next up: who uses the pool more? Shouldn’t they pay for the entertainment?

After that we should figure out who is using Uber. They should get a parking lot maintenance discount and if using to the parks too, a transportation discount.

Just to clarify. It is not about any other subjects except for the membership extras and the cost of supporting those benefits.

What the post initially referred to was the shared expense to support membership extras. It was my interpretation that DVD can from time to time offer those membership benefits, but I was hoping for clarity as to why let’s say there is an agreement between DVD and the parks department that blue card members get a ticket/AP discount. Why would member services handle that call when it’s not a reservation component but a separate unrelated situation.

 

[Sandisw]

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I think the point is, and I could be mistaken, why should white card holders be paying member services to assist blue card holders for things whites are not entitled to?
I think that’s a good argument.

And I think because DVCMC has revenue beyond dues, it’s covered in other ways.

The bulk of MS calls are due to using the system for all owners.

MS can handle both aspects of the programs.

However , as already pointed out, we pay a set % to them so that will never change and how and what they do doesn’t really matter in the end because that fee is set.

 

[Minniesgal]

The point is the whites are paying MS to book the blue extras.

I think that is an enormously bogus argument. Perk are incidental and not all blue members book them. The percentage of MS time allocated to this must be minimal

 

[DonMacGregor]

I tried to explain that every which way, but I got tired and had to go to bed.

 

[DonMacGregor]

What the post initially referred to was the shared expense to support membership extras. It was my interpretation that DVD can from time to time offer those membership benefits, but I was hoping for clarity as to why let’s say there is an agreement between DVD and the parks department that blue card members get a ticket/AP discount. Why would member services handle that call when it’s not a reservation component but a separate unrelated situation.

Because, as has been explained, the 12.5% of our annual dues that go to supporting MS pay only for those elements of MS that benefit everyone: IE resort reservations at your home resort and the inter-resort reservation system. That is defined by law in the operating budgets each resort must produce annually. That’s why the budget language doesn’t say “resort reservation systems and services, and other non-resort related benefit administration”

The balance of MS funding, for other benefit administration, comes from other sources and those sources pay for those components of MS that are not enjoyed by all or are not of benefit to all.

 

[gharter]

The point is the whites are paying MS to book the blue extras.

this argument is going to go nowhere.
It can be made all over the park.
If I don't use the "free bus service " from the airport to the resorts, why should I pay for it? Its not a free service, its built into the cost you pay. How about if I don't use the pools? The lifeguards, pool upkeep are charged to everyone. The argument goes on and on.

I'm curious how much cost do you think is involved with CMs booking all these free perks that you think Blue card holders get? As a blue card holder, there are very few perks anymore, and fewer that involve calling.

Most of the things you are ranting against as cost is directly paid for by DVC from the direct sales and cannot be paid any other way.