Shooting at Va Tech

It varies state by state! It seems as though it is quite easy for anyone without a previous police record to purchase guns in VA! One every 30 days.
There's definitely something wrong in a state where you're not allowed a radar detector but you can purchase a gun this easily. Talk about messed up priorities.

What a terrible tragedy. :sad1:
 
CNN is showing an exclusive interview with the shooters two roommates. Also pod cast on their website. Seems this guy was quite the weirdo and had a history of stalking women. Even had an imaginary girlfriend. His two roommates weren't shocked at all to learn it was him.
 
Handguns are for killing people. That's the only practical purpose for having one - to kill each other, to kill someone who might try to kill you first, to defend property as though property is worth endangering your life, to terrify and hurt, to risk your four-year-old daughter finding it in your drawer one day and playing with the trigger with her little fingers, to feel more powerful. There is no other purpose for owning a handgun besides the possibility of killing someone with it.

I can appreciate that the founding fathers were working with a different concept of war than exists today, and they needed to preserve community militias that could gather with muskets at the town square with ten minutes' notice. I understand that as a secondary concern, they wanted to preserve every family's right to eat - when the going got tough, they shot squirrels and raccoons. But I am damn sure that neither Abraham Lincoln nor Harry Truman nor any other great leader of the last 150 years has concerned himself overly with protecting my right to buy a Glock for $500 at Walmart. It's a personal liberty I will willingly sacrifice if it reduces at all the chance that a dissociated personality can buy that same Glock and kill 32 people.

Let's face it. If a burgler breaks into my house, if a rapist comes through the window, if I'm mugged - statistics show that my best policy will be to stay calm, do what I need to do to survive, and try to live. If I pull out a gun the chance of my being harmed by my OWN GUN go through the roof. All I need is for that guy to grab it out of my hands. On a larger scale, the days of ground war in the first world are essentially over. If hegemony ever totally collapses, nuclear weapons and terrorism will end us before we have an old-fashioned shootout on the town green. Therefore - there is no reason for me, or people like me, to own handguns. It's time for us to go the route of England, New Zealand, Australia, etc. and shut down the market.

P.S. the shooter's sister was two years behind me at our (small) college. Regardless of how you might feel about the actions of the son, imagine the monumental tragedy of that family, to know that your son or brother killed dozens of people and himself, and you didn't do anything to stop it or step in when he was exhibiting such unmistakable signs of psychological meltdown. Then, imagine walking around with that guilt in your soul every day for the rest of your life. There really is no forgiveness or solace for that.
 

Our 18 yo daughter is a freshman at Va Tech - it's hard to put into words how hard the last few days have been for us. She is safe - and home right now - my husband picked her up today since classes are cancelled for the rest of the week. I just really, really wanted her home - safe with us.

She spent the morning of the shooting locked down in a chem lab - thank goodness for cell phones - while she couldn't get good reception, she was able to text me - so we went back & forth all morning. She did know one girl who was shot, but is ok. The injured girl went to the same small Catholic girl's high school and was a year ahead of my daughter.

What has totally freaked me out the most is that she has classes in that same builidng on Tuesdays & Thursdays - it could easily have been her in one of those classrooms.

I'm SO glad she's home.
 
Our 18 yo daughter is a freshman at Va Tech - it's hard to put into words how hard the last few days have been for us. She is safe - and home right now - my husband picked her up today since classes are cancelled for the rest of the week. I just really, really wanted her home - safe with us.

She spent the morning of the shooting locked down in a chem lab - thank goodness for cell phones - while she couldn't get good reception, she was able to text me - so we went back & forth all morning. She did know one girl who was shot, but is ok. The injured girl went to the same small Catholic girl's high school and was a year ahead of my daughter.

What has totally freaked me out the most is that she has classes in that same builidng on Tuesdays & Thursdays - it could easily have been her in one of those classrooms.

I'm SO glad she's home.


Yes, you needed to hold her..thank God she is ok..:grouphug:
 
Handguns are for killing people. That's the only practical purpose for having one - to kill each other, to kill someone who might try to kill you first, to defend property as though property is worth endangering your life, to terrify and hurt, to risk your four-year-old daughter finding it in your drawer one day and playing with the trigger with her little fingers, to feel more powerful. There is no other purpose for owning a handgun besides the possibility of killing someone with it.

I can appreciate that the founding fathers were working with a different concept of war than exists today, and they needed to preserve community militias that could gather with muskets at the town square with ten minutes' notice. I understand that as a secondary concern, they wanted to preserve every family's right to eat - when the going got tough, they shot squirrels and raccoons. But I am damn sure that neither Abraham Lincoln nor Harry Truman nor any other great leader of the last 150 years has concerned himself overly with protecting my right to buy a Glock for $500 at Walmart. It's a personal liberty I will willingly sacrifice if it reduces at all the chance that a dissociated personality can buy that same Glock and kill 32 people.

Let's face it. If a burgler breaks into my house, if a rapist comes through the window, if I'm mugged - statistics show that my best policy will be to stay calm, do what I need to do to survive, and try to live. If I pull out a gun the chance of my being harmed by my OWN GUN go through the roof. All I need is for that guy to grab it out of my hands. On a larger scale, the days of ground war in the first world are essentially over. If hegemony ever totally collapses, nuclear weapons and terrorism will end us before we have an old-fashioned shootout on the town green. Therefore - there is no reason for me, or people like me, to own handguns. It's time for us to go the route of England, New Zealand, Australia, etc. and shut down the market.

P.S. the shooter's sister was two years behind me at our (small) college. Regardless of how you might feel about the actions of the son, imagine the monumental tragedy of that family, to know that your son or brother killed dozens of people and himself, and you didn't do anything to stop it or step in when he was exhibiting such unmistakable signs of psychological meltdown. Then, imagine walking around with that guilt in your soul every day for the rest of your life. There really is no forgiveness or solace for that.

Amen! :thumbsup2
 
Handguns are for killing people. That's the only practical purpose for having one - to kill each other, to kill someone who might try to kill you first, to defend property as though property is worth endangering your life, to terrify and hurt, to risk your four-year-old daughter finding it in your drawer one day and playing with the trigger with her little fingers, to feel more powerful. There is no other purpose for owning a handgun besides the possibility of killing someone with it.

I can appreciate that the founding fathers were working with a different concept of war than exists today, and they needed to preserve community militias that could gather with muskets at the town square with ten minutes' notice. I understand that as a secondary concern, they wanted to preserve every family's right to eat - when the going got tough, they shot squirrels and raccoons. But I am damn sure that neither Abraham Lincoln nor Harry Truman nor any other great leader of the last 150 years has concerned himself overly with protecting my right to buy a Glock for $500 at Walmart. It's a personal liberty I will willingly sacrifice if it reduces at all the chance that a dissociated personality can buy that same Glock and kill 32 people.

Let's face it. If a burgler breaks into my house, if a rapist comes through the window, if I'm mugged - statistics show that my best policy will be to stay calm, do what I need to do to survive, and try to live. If I pull out a gun the chance of my being harmed by my OWN GUN go through the roof. All I need is for that guy to grab it out of my hands. On a larger scale, the days of ground war in the first world are essentially over. If hegemony ever totally collapses, nuclear weapons and terrorism will end us before we have an old-fashioned shootout on the town green. Therefore - there is no reason for me, or people like me, to own handguns. It's time for us to go the route of England, New Zealand, Australia, etc. and shut down the market.

P.S. the shooter's sister was two years behind me at our (small) college. Regardless of how you might feel about the actions of the son, imagine the monumental tragedy of that family, to know that your son or brother killed dozens of people and himself, and you didn't do anything to stop it or step in when he was exhibiting such unmistakable signs of psychological meltdown. Then, imagine walking around with that guilt in your soul every day for the rest of your life. There really is no forgiveness or solace for that.

:thumbsup2
 
Isn't it great when people overseas wag their fingers at the US when something like this happens and says it's because of the US's "gun laws" or its "cowboy culture"?

Hello? Dunblane? The Johann Gutenberg school in Germany? Dawson College in Canada? The Aramoana massacre in New Zealand? etc., etc., etc. Believe me, we have far from cornered the market on this type of mass murder.

Want to do away with guns?... Fine, how about the 2004 High school attack in Ruzhou, China that left 8 students dead? Google "UK school knife attack" and see page after page of stories about fatal UK school knifings. I don't see people wagging their fingers about the lax "knife laws" in the UK and going on about the "Jack The Ripper Culture". (Ooops, I take that back here's one!)

On more thing... The VT shooter bought the gun last month and there appears to be mounting evidence that this wasn't a "spontaneous" plan.

And as for poo-pooing the notion that a bomb might be deployed in this sort of madness... The largest mass murder at a US school still was due to a home-made bomb in 1927!

Overseas wag their fingers at us, because when it comes to Death by guns..."WE WIN"! :guilty: You mentioned all isolated incidents in other countries. Death by guns is a daily occurence in our country.

"The United States leads the world's richest nations in gun deaths -- murders, suicides, and accidental deaths due to guns - according to a study published April 17, 1998 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the International Journal of Epidemiology.


The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows
U.S.A. 14.24
Brazil 12.95
Mexico 12.69
Estonia 12.26
Argentina 8.93
Northern Ireland 6.63
Finland 6.46
Switzerland 5.31
France 5.15
Canada 4.31 "

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6166


"On more thing... The VT shooter bought the gun last month and there appears to be mounting evidence that this wasn't a "spontaneous" plan."]
soooooooooooo????? :confused3

I am all for RESPONSIBLE people owning guns! The problem in this country is that there are way too many IRRESPONSIBLE people owning guns, and as I mentioned and others, it is simply too easy to get one. Its easier to get a gun, than a drivers licence. Its easier to get a gun, then get a phone line installed. It's easier to get a gun then to register to vote.

There has to be a better way.

Peace
 
Our 18 yo daughter is a freshman at Va Tech - it's hard to put into words how hard the last few days have been for us. She is safe - and home right now - my husband picked her up today since classes are cancelled for the rest of the week. I just really, really wanted her home - safe with us.

She spent the morning of the shooting locked down in a chem lab - thank goodness for cell phones - while she couldn't get good reception, she was able to text me - so we went back & forth all morning. She did know one girl who was shot, but is ok. The injured girl went to the same small Catholic girl's high school and was a year ahead of my daughter.

What has totally freaked me out the most is that she has classes in that same builidng on Tuesdays & Thursdays - it could easily have been her in one of those classrooms.

I'm SO glad she's home.

:hug: To your whole family and your daughters VT family! I am so happy she is safe.
 
P.S. the shooter's sister was two years behind me at our (small) college. Regardless of how you might feel about the actions of the son, imagine the monumental tragedy of that family, to know that your son or brother killed dozens of people and himself, and you didn't do anything to stop it or step in when he was exhibiting such unmistakable signs of psychological meltdown. Then, imagine walking around with that guilt in your soul every day for the rest of your life. There really is no forgiveness or solace for that.

It's the first thing I imagine whenever there's a horrific incident of random violence in the news. It's almost always the case that the perp is a mentally unbalanced younger male. I have a brother who has been mentally ill since he was a college student 30 years ago. Thankfully, he has never shown a tendency of violence towards others, and statistically, it's likely now that he never will. I count that as a small blessing in the tragedy of my brother's very troubled life.

But I'd also like to point out that right now we don't know what his family did or did not do. I'm praying for them, as much as I am the victims and their families and the VT community.
 
Overseas wag their fingers at us, because when it comes to Death by guns..."WE WIN"! :guilty: You mentioned all isolated incidents in other countries. Death by guns is a daily occurence in our country.

"The United States leads the world's richest nations in gun deaths -- murders, suicides, and accidental deaths due to guns - according to a study published April 17, 1998 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the International Journal of Epidemiology.


The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows
U.S.A. 14.24
Brazil 12.95
Mexico 12.69
Estonia 12.26
Argentina 8.93
Northern Ireland 6.63
Finland 6.46
Switzerland 5.31
France 5.15
Canada 4.31 "

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6166



soooooooooooo????? :confused3

I am all for RESPONSIBLE people owning guns! The problem in this country is that there are way too many IRRESPONSIBLE people owning guns, and as I mentioned and others, it is simply too easy to get one. Its easier to get a gun, than a drivers licence. Its easier to get a gun, then get a phone line installed. It's easier to get a gun then to register to vote.

There has to be a better way.

Peace

So sad really..They are dead, and a gun is the way it happened...It happened in Montreal as someone stated. It did..It was the second time in 15 yrs..Granted it is twice too many..US leads the sad way here, and something has to be done, sadly it probably won't happen.

God bless everyone and anyone affected.
 
It just seems that so many of you are missing the overall point, and I can't tell whether it's deliberate - that you don't want to back-pedal on your views for one reason or another - or if you are simply too myopic to see the grand picture beyond these shootings... the picture that the rest of the world seems to see. Maybe you are all so close to the culture that you can't see the overall picture - and it's not a criticism but more of an observation on my part.

You could talk til you're blue and they will never see your point because they believe in GUNS. They will shout from the mountain top that "Guns don't kill people, people do.":eek:
 
I really don't want to comment on the whole gun debate.

What does have me curious is the police response when the shootings were happening. I don't mean after the initial shooting, I mean DURING the 2nd. News reports haven't really been clear about where they were & what they were doing.

The reason I bring it up is the last college shooting in Montreal. After 2 previous tragic college shootings, the Montreal police changed their "set up a perimeter & wait" policy. Now their officers are trained to go in & stop the shooter. This policy change is being credited with the low death toll at Dawson College (only 1 fatality, I can't remember how many injured - I think it was 20-something).

So, were the police setting up a perimeter & waiting for SWAT, or were they not in the area at all when the shooting began?
 
I really don't want to comment on the whole gun debate.

What does have me curious is the police response when the shootings were happening. I don't mean after the initial shooting, I mean DURING the 2nd. News reports haven't really been clear about where they were & what they were doing.

The reason I bring it up is the last college shooting in Montreal. After 2 previous tragic college shootings, the Montreal police changed their "set up a perimeter & wait" policy. Now their officers are trained to go in & stop the shooter. This policy change is being credited with the low death toll at Dawson College (only 1 fatality, I can't remember how many injured - I think it was 20-something).

So, were the police setting up a perimeter & waiting for SWAT, or were they not in the area at all when the shooting began?


I agree....We had 1 fatality and 25 injured BTW..You are right..

And we also had a copycat today, it was stopped by stop the shooter..Thankfully it was a false alarm, by idiots.
 
You mentioned all isolated incidents in other countries. Death by guns is a daily occurence in our country.
What happened at VT yesterday isn't merely "deaths by guns". If you and other wish to tell yourselves that this sort of mass murder would stop if we simply made all of the "bad guns" go poof"... I'm afraid you'd be sorely mistaken. The real problem is that for some reason, for more and more people this sort of action has logically moved from the realm of "unthinkable" into the "thinkable".... even "justifiable". Guns have been readily available (the "tommy gun" was originally sold with farmers in mind) for generations in this country... the behavior witnessed at VT is a mostly "modern" invention.

You can quote me all of the gun statistics you like. But if you want a different look at this issue, watch the Congressional testimony of Suzanne Hupp, who lost both her parents (she survived) at Luby's Cafeteria in 1991 when a lunatic gunman crashed his truck through the window and began ruthlessly shooting innocent patrons. YouTube Link
 
I really don't want to comment on the whole gun debate.

What does have me curious is the police response when the shootings were happening. I don't mean after the initial shooting, I mean DURING the 2nd. News reports haven't really been clear about where they were & what they were doing.

The reason I bring it up is the last college shooting in Montreal. After 2 previous tragic college shootings, the Montreal police changed their "set up a perimeter & wait" policy. Now their officers are trained to go in & stop the shooter. This policy change is being credited with the low death toll at Dawson College (only 1 fatality, I can't remember how many injured - I think it was 20-something).

So, were the police setting up a perimeter & waiting for SWAT, or were they not in the area at all when the shooting began?

Sadly it dont seem that way here! Many are wondering as to why after the first murders there wasn't a lock down they still had a murder loose. VT sent emails (which make NO sense to me) saying about a isolated incident on the campus.
When the 911 call came in for the "second round"...again a EMAIL was sent out to stay in your dorms etc!

That whole "we sent emails' defense is the same as saying NO we didn't warn anybody, IMO!

Are there no Loudspeakers, Fire Alarms, etc in this school?:confused3

I am sure once the week unfolds we will know more.:sad1:
 
You can quote me all of the gun statistics you like..... But if you want a different look at this issue......

NO. I stick with statistics that are actual proof of reality!
 


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