Senate passes stimulus package...

[Master Mason]

Hey come on - it was from an email. EVERYTHING on the internet is factual!

No actually I learned about that in HS, which was long enough ago that the Internet consited of a few BBoards and not much else.

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

princess sorry, i miss understood.


In all those situations there were checks and balances too. I have said all thought this election cycle we need to have the checks and balances. 1 party in control of it all is never a good idea. They need to have the open debate and to compromise. We are seeing the consequences of not having a balance of power right now.

No problem! I just don't want anyone mad at me over silly politics. I like to debate, but I don't like to make people feel bad just because we have different views, KWIM.

 

[Disneycrazymom]

No problem we are all good! As I said I think the debate is important. I am a bit on edge, feeling trampled on by the government yesterday. Fin Fan is right about the backed into a corner response.

The charts were interesting. While I agreed with Bush about some things he was IMO far from fiscally Conservative.

 

[Master Mason]

http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

How's that fiscal conservatism working for ya?

The national debt has raised steadily since Reagan came into office, with only Clinton (not a fiscal conservative) providing a downturn.

Bottomline: If it's broken....You gotta try to fix it. And it's broke. This isn't just a boo boo that will be cured with a kiss and a bandaid.

I'm unclear on your stance, are you for or against the stimulious package? If your for it, then how are you fixing a massive deficit with even more deficit spending?

 

[Cindy F]

No problem! I just don't want anyone mad at me over silly politics. I like to debate, but I don't like to make people feel bad just because we have different views, KWIM.

You're one smart cookie! and ditto!

 

[ntsammy5]

No actually I learned about that in HS, which was long enough ago that the Internet consited of a few BBoards and not much else.

When I was in HS, computers were room sized, and were programmed by rewiring them and had binary readouts. The internet? HA. Al Gore hadn't even thought about it yet.

 

[Geoff_M]

But, I have a question. Why is it always congresses fault when something goes wrong for a Republican president, or congresses save when something goes right for a Democratic president.

Who's saying "always"???? Be very careful throwing out terms like "always" and "never" in a debate/discussion... such absolutes are rarely true and only serve to undercut any point you are attempting to make.

As for your observation... It's also a matter of perspective. For those that were against one of the centerpieces of the Clinton Administration, Welfare Reform (which, btw, Obama has effectively managed to destroy in two short weeks), they would hardly say that the GOP "saved" Clinton. Ditto for NAFTA. The facts are that (go look at the graphs in the link you posted) Clinton's fiscal responsility streak didn't really kick-in until after 1994 when the GOP Congress started holding Clinton's feet to the budget fire. And in Reagan's time Democratic leaders took great pleasure in annually announcing that his budget plans were "dead on arrival" on Capitol Hill.

 

[manning]

Me too! Thank God my parents grew up poor, learned the value of money and an education and really drilled that into our heads. I have an almost pathological drive to live WAYYY beneath my means...you know..."just in case"

come closer I have a secret for you....You are in better position than most to survive this mess

I may be a moderate democrate but I totally disagree with this stimulus package.

There's lots of blame to go around. The past 16 years, while some have been good years GREED has become the major factor in what were seeing today. The last 8 years of republican control has pushed us over the edge.

I'm not saying we don't need some kind of stimulus, right now we do, but to put the next 2 generations into a debt, with staggering numbers, not millions, not billions but trillions to me is just adding to the greed of ME and forget about the next gereration. Let them fend for themselves.

If we keep adding to the deficit at the rate were going NONE OF OUR CHILDREN OR GRAND-CHILDREN WILL EVER LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM.

I'm a moderate democrat as well..."blue dog" if you will.

I didn't read all the responses, so I apologize if someone else has posted this. Just wanted to put the number "billion" in perspective, because I don't think people realize how big of a number that is.



$870 BILLION dollars! How long does it take you to make a buck?

The mystery is how come the moderate democrats haven't been able to control Pelosi and Reid. And now Obama.

I can see democrats and republicans having their differences, but this is insane.

I know everyone is saying everything is getting worse and we must have this bailout.

There is another saying

Haste makes waste.

I think we would survive if this was thought out and passed within 1-2 months.

Let's do it right the first time.


Huckabee made an interesting comment. He said he discovered something when he was governor. If you have a piece of legislation to be passed that you know is going to be very unpopular, pass it quickly. When the public realizes what it was it is too late for them to do anything about it.

 

[manning]

I think it should be a requirement that all congressmen and senators go on tv/radio and explain why they are taking the position they are taking. It would be an education to the public.

Listening to them I have come to the belief that half of them don't understand what they are doing.....both parties.

 

[SAHDad]

The mystery is how come the moderate democrats haven't been able to control Pelosi and Reid. And now Obama.

Because seniority in Washington is what matters. Reid, Pelosi et al, have more seniority than the more moderate Democrats, many of whom are the "blue dogs" elected in the last couple election cycles.

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

Who's saying "always"???? Be very careful throwing out terms like "always" and "never" in a debate/discussion... such absolutes are rarely true and only serve to undercut any point you are attempting to make.
As for your observation... It's also a matter of perspective. For those that were against one of the centerpieces of the Clinton Administration, Welfare Reform (which, btw, Obama has effectively managed to destroy in two short weeks), they would hardly say that the GOP "saved" Clinton. Ditto for NAFTA. The facts are that (go look at the graphs in the link you posted) Clinton's fiscal responsility streak didn't really kick-in until after 1994 when the GOP Congress started holding Clinton's feet to the budget fire. And in Reagan's time Democratic leaders took great pleasure in annually announcing that his budget plans were "dead on arrival" on Capitol Hill.

I forget that trick of the seasoned pro's on the board! Always= most of the time and never = almost never.

 

[FINFAN]

manning...ITA!
This whole deal is shady to say the least. Now that BO doesn't have the momentum of "he is the way to get Bush/ Republican ways out" going for him anymore...he's gonna razzle-dazzle with a plan that no one can even grasp because it is so outrageous. H e must have been watching the movie Chicago..because he is very reminiscent of Richard Gere's character Billy Flynn. As long as he and other Dem's comes out smelling like a rose...I mean, there has just been too much "becasue we can" attitude coming out of Congress...and who pays the price? Us. Slow down, at least accept the signs that this particular "solution" is not right. Frying pan into the fire.

 

[manning]

manning...ITA!
This whole deal is shady to say the least. Now that BO doesn't have the momentum of "he is the way to get Bush/ Republican ways out" going for him anymore...he's gonna razzle-dazzle with a plan that no one can even grasp because it is so outrageous. H e must have been watching the movie Chicago..because he is very reminiscent of Richard Gere's character Billy Flynn. As long as he and other Dem's comes out smelling like a rose...I mean, there has just been too much "becasue we can" attitude coming out of Congress...and who pays the price? Us. Slow down, at least accept the signs that this particular "solution" is not right. Frying pan into the fire.

He IS from Chicago!!!

 

[manning]

I forget that trick of the seasoned pro's on the board! Always= most of the time and never = almost never.

You've confused me, can you explain that???

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

You've confused me, can you explain that???

Geoff_M called me out on making a generalization. That's all.

 

[ntsammy5]

Thomas Jefferson once said:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

-- Thomas Jefferson -- The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809)