Sarah Murnaghan has cystic fibrosis and needs new lungs to save her life.

Talk about jumping to conclusions, people. :sad2:

You can screen for this BEFORE you even consider getting pregnant. I did screen because I've seen this disease. I was honestly wondering if her parents had done that. CF is awful and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

But even with two parents who are carriers, having a child with CF is only 25%. So what you're saying is if they knew they were both carriers they should have not had any children.
 
I think this is misleading. Very few people with CF (like none) have a good prognosis.

My comment was specifically directed, toward Sarah's surgery and recovery. The surgery was a success and the prognosis for her recovery is good. It doesn't mean, she is cured. The lungs do not have CF, but the disease is still present.
 
Talk about jumping to conclusions, people. :sad2:

You can screen for this BEFORE you even consider getting pregnant. I did screen because I've seen this disease. I was honestly wondering if her parents had done that. CF is awful and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I understand that. But the parents are not considering conceiving Sarah. She is very much here now.

May she have many joy filled days ahead, regardless the prognosis.
 
But even with two parents who are carriers, having a child with CF is only 25%. So what you're saying is if they knew they were both carriers they should have not had any children.

Not sure if I'm saying that, but I obviously felt that way when I did the testing.
 

I understand that. But the parents are not considering conceiving Sarah. She is very much here now.

May she have many joy filled days ahead, regardless the prognosis.

I can agree with that.

But going back to the entire organ donor list process…there's a reason we assigned experienced doctors to come up with it so they could think clearly without letting emotion get in the way.
 
I can agree with that.

But going back to the entire organ donor list process…there's a reason we assigned experienced doctors to come up with it so they could think clearly without letting emotion get in the way.

I totally agree that policy should not be set in response to an emotional single case. But perhaps it takes an emotional case to motivate policy makers to give the rules a review. Science is not static and what was not possible or advisable years ago when policy was set might be possible and advisable now.
 
I totally agree that policy should not be set in response to an emotional single case. But perhaps it takes an emotional case to motivate policy makers to give the rules a review. Science is not static and what was not possible or advisable years ago when policy was set might be possible and advisable now.

Nice to agree! Though I thought they revised it just a few years ago. Science is definitely not static! :)
 
Talk about jumping to conclusions, people. :sad2:

You can screen for this BEFORE you even consider getting pregnant. I did screen because I've seen this disease. I was honestly wondering if her parents had done that. CF is awful and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I totally agree with you. CF is a terrible disease. My OBGYN suggested I get tested for it before we try to concieve. If I were a carrier and my husband was as well, I would never have children.

Yes CF patients are living longer lives but there is no cure. A lung transplant has an average life span of 5 years. I say average because there are patients who never make it out of the hospital and there are patients who live 15 years with their new lungs.

I don't think people know the torture CF people go through. I have seen many of them die. They are slowly suffocating and in and out of hospitals for weeks at a time when they are sick.

Years ago I took care of a CF teenager who was being terminally weaned from the vent the next day, he asked me in the middle of the night if I thought he would make it. He still had some hope for a miracle even though he chose his inevitable death sentence. He was end stage with no chance for a transplant so after talking with doctors and his family he asked to be removed from the vent.

It's a heartbreaking, devasting disease.

I only hope more doctors talk to their patients about screening for the disease before having children.

I know this is off topic as I'm not trying to scold her parents in this post for having her. I just hope people become more educated on this genetic screening.
 
Genetic screening is a wonderful thing, however, it wasn't even offered to myself and my ex when we were trying to conceive. Why? We were both young and healthy and there was no family history of CF at all. We were shocked when my dd was diagnosed at four months.

As to prognosis, there are MANY people with CF that have a wonderful prognosis because they have a mild mutation. The problem with now having over a 1,000 known mutations is that people are being diagnosed with the milder mutations as teenagers, and even well into adulthood. These are people that never would have been diagnosed twenty years ago, and are living normal life spans, for the most part. This has painted a rosy glow around life expectancy, when in fact, there are still way too many children and young adults with the "classic" presentation of CF dying much too early.

Fortunately, there is one drug approved, and one in the pipeline, designed for certain mutations, that are doing wonders by actually altering the way the salt-water transfers happen on a cellular level. My goal right now is to keep dd's lung function as high as possible, so when something promising comes around the bend, she can see real benefit from it. Otherwise, with her history, she will be lucky to make 30 without a transplant.

Something else to keep in mind when looking at transplant success, a person can be listed for a lung transplant more than once, and there have been many people who have received more than one.
 
Genetic screening is a wonderful thing, however, it wasn't even offered to myself and my ex when we were trying to conceive. Why? We were both young and healthy and there was no family history of CF at all. We were shocked when my dd was diagnosed at four months.

As to prognosis, there are MANY people with CF that have a wonderful prognosis because they have a mild mutation. The problem with now having over a 1,000 known mutations is that people are being diagnosed with the milder mutations as teenagers, and even well into adulthood. These are people that never would have been diagnosed twenty years ago, and are living normal life spans, for the most part. This has painted a rosy glow around life expectancy, when in fact, there are still way too many children and young adults with the "classic" presentation of CF dying much too early.

Fortunately, there is one drug approved, and one in the pipeline, designed for certain mutations, that are doing wonders by actually altering the way the salt-water transfers happen on a cellular level. My goal right now is to keep dd's lung function as high as possible, so when something promising comes around the bend, she can see real benefit from it. Otherwise, with her history, she will be lucky to make 30 without a transplant.

Something else to keep in mind when looking at transplant success, a person can be listed for a lung transplant more than once, and there have been many people who have received more than one.

I agree with you on all your points. I've generally only seen transplants happen twice though, I think it's pretty rare to be transplanted more than that for right now at least in my neck of the woods. It's amazing though I'll see a transplant patient 10 years out who is pretty much totally healthy and then I've seen many who never leave the hospital, its a risk they take. But you're right medicine for CF has made great improvements and I'm sure it will continue to make great improvements in the lives of CFers. I pray for it for your daughter and the many people who suffer from the "classic" presentation of CF.
 
I have a friend in her mid-thirties with CF. She is married with a (adopted) daughter and is living a very full life. Her CF is somewhere on the spectrum between mild and severe; she is occasionally hospitalized and she has a daily routine that includes running an oxygen generator and I think pounding her chest to break up the phlegm. Sometimes she has a port put in because of infections. I worry about her but really she is doing so much better than I'd have ever thought someone with CF could be.
 
But even with two parents who are carriers, having a child with CF is only 25%. So what you're saying is if they knew they were both carriers they should have not had any children.

25% is way to high for such a life controlling and eventually fatal disease. DH and I would have not had any children.

You really think those are good odds?:confused3
 
25% is way to high for such a life controlling and eventually fatal disease. DH and I would have not had any children.

You really think those are good odds?:confused3

Not my choice to make. I know people who have gone through pregnancies where the child had zero chance of living a week. People do what they want.
 
Not my choice to make. I know people who have gone through pregnancies where the child had zero chance of living a week. People do what they want.

Did they know this before the conceived or after the pregnancy. Big difference!

For many, abortion is not an option. Once they found of the child would pass at birth, from something they did not know, they had only two options.
 
Did they know this before the conceived or after the pregnancy. Big difference!

For many, abortion is not an option. Once they found of the child would pass at birth, from something they did not know, they had only two options.

That's why we have the right to choose. But part of that choice is the choice to conceive a child that may have grave disabilities.
 
If, parents can only accept a perfect child, perhaps they should reconsider. There are no guarantees in life.
 
That's why we have the right to choose. But part of that choice is the choice to conceive a child that may have grave disabilities.

Getting way off topic here, but what you're saying is where things take a different ethical turn. There is the chance of the child living a very painful life, there is the likelihood that medical expenses will exceed the parents finances and rest on the backs of society, and more. I obviously felt more of an obligation to those possibilities rather than my right to conceive when I had the testing done.
 
Getting way off topic here, but what you're saying is where things take a different ethical turn. There is the chance of the child living a very painful life, there is the likelihood that medical expenses will exceed the parents finances and rest on the backs of society, and more. I obviously felt more of an obligation to those possibilities rather than my right to conceive when I had the testing done.

Right, but you're talking about eugenics, which is illegal.
 














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